South Arlington and North Arlington Schools

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Anonymous wrote:Yorktown has more in common with Mclean and Langley than WL. It clearly is the best neighborhood high school in Arlington and ranks among the best in the Washington suburbs. WL is fine, maybe even better than most, but it's not Yorktown and never will be.

And yet the white students at YHS have lower test scores than the white kids at W-L...

If by 'in common' you mean a 'mean girl environment', entitled kids, drug culture (I am a Langley grad) than I agree.

FWIW even the black kids at Yorktown have lower test scores than at W-L:

2015 SAT average scores:
Yorktown
White: 1830 (277 kids)
Black: 1264 (14 kids)
Hispanic: 1578 (40 kids)
Asian: 1714 (26 kids)

Washington-Lee
White: 1862 (140 kids)
Black: 1414 (32 kids)
Hispanic: 1545 (66 kids)
Asian: 1605 (39 kids)

Yorktown is getting better test results than W-L only on its Asian kids and (but only very marginally) its Hispanic kids. Everyone else is doing better at W-L, black kids most of all (a whopping 150 points better, which is like a 20 percentile difference).

LOL. A 23 point difference for Hispanic kids is only "marginal," but a 32 point difference for the white kids is simply huge. Way to be objective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^ yet the " solution" to get millennials, who are looking for more space, to stay... Is MICRO UNITS???

Say what?!?!?!?

don't forget house sharing of the tiny Arlington housing stock.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ yet the " solution" to get millennials, who are looking for more space, to stay... Is MICRO UNITS???

Say what?!?!?!?

don't forget house sharing of the tiny Arlington housing stock.

OMG! How could I forget?
I don't mind townhouses/ row houses or even duplex developments ( although Arlington as some exceptionally ugly dulpexes)
But the idea of sharing a SFH is so intimate.
So basically you are getting all of the space of a conda with all of the yard work of a home. Terrible!
Who decides who mows?
How do you decide landscaping?
Remember these are homes that look like a SFH from the outside- that is how they want to get these neighborhoods to get on board with this.
So weird.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yorktown has more in common with Mclean and Langley than WL. It clearly is the best neighborhood high school in Arlington and ranks among the best in the Washington suburbs. WL is fine, maybe even better than most, but it's not Yorktown and never will be.

And yet the white students at YHS have lower test scores than the white kids at W-L...

If by 'in common' you mean a 'mean girl environment', entitled kids, drug culture (I am a Langley grad) than I agree.

FWIW even the black kids at Yorktown have lower test scores than at W-L:

2015 SAT average scores:
Yorktown
White: 1830 (277 kids)
Black: 1264 (14 kids)
Hispanic: 1578 (40 kids)
Asian: 1714 (26 kids)

Washington-Lee
White: 1862 (140 kids)
Black: 1414 (32 kids)
Hispanic: 1545 (66 kids)
Asian: 1605 (39 kids)

Yorktown is getting better test results than W-L only on its Asian kids and (but only very marginally) its Hispanic kids. Everyone else is doing better at W-L, black kids most of all (a whopping 150 points better, which is like a 20 percentile difference).

LOL. A 23 point difference for Hispanic kids is only "marginal," but a 32 point difference for the white kids is simply huge. Way to be objective.

The Black and White test scores at W-L test blow away YHS similar groups. Hispanic not a huge difference--I'm guessing W-L pools from poorer sections--apartment/subsidized housing.

[Anonymous]

There are a lot of south arlington parents who are very unhappy with the school situation and it isn't just overcrowding. It is that the county's policies are funneling all the poorer kids who need the most resources to the western columbia pike. It is the county's policy to do so. Those kids, who need the most help, are getting shorted and so are most of the kids in those schools. Abingdon finally got its FARMs numbers around 50% but now the county is building a 1000 low income apartments within the current boundary over the next decade. And all of those units are going in within the same block.

So, buy carefully in South Arlington OP.

[Anonymous]

I made the original SAT comment being quoted and, to be fair, 16:18 had a point about the delta being small for both Hispanic and white testers. It seems like a wash, really. in fact, if you look at the last 5 years, the scores for white kids are mostly within 20 points of one another but the scores of Yorktown's Hispanic kids are mostly significantly higher, so Yorktown may have an edge.

But I was surprised by how much higher the W-L black kids' scores were this year and that everyone was just talking about the white kids' scores, which weren't actually that different. I think it's, like, 24th percentile (Yorktown) vs. 44th percentile (W-L).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I made the original SAT comment being quoted and, to be fair, 16:18 had a point about the delta being small for both Hispanic and white testers. It seems like a wash, really. in fact, if you look at the last 5 years, the scores for white kids are mostly within 20 points of one another but the scores of Yorktown's Hispanic kids are mostly significantly higher, so Yorktown may have an edge.

But I was surprised by how much higher the W-L black kids' scores were this year and that everyone was just talking about the white kids' scores, which weren't actually that different. I think it's, like, 24th percentile (Yorktown) vs. 44th percentile (W-L).

The only decent scores are the white students at both schools and the Asian students at Yorktown. Otherwise, the scores for other groups aren't really competitive for any good state schools, and parsing the differences is largely irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I made the original SAT comment being quoted and, to be fair, 16:18 had a point about the delta being small for both Hispanic and white testers. It seems like a wash, really. in fact, if you look at the last 5 years, the scores for white kids are mostly within 20 points of one another but the scores of Yorktown's Hispanic kids are mostly significantly higher, so Yorktown may have an edge.

But I was surprised by how much higher the W-L black kids' scores were this year and that everyone was just talking about the white kids' scores, which weren't actually that different. I think it's, like, 24th percentile (Yorktown) vs. 44th percentile (W-L).

Again, you are cherry-picking the numbers. Why you would look at the five year average for whites and hispanics at both schools but then circle back to the one year score for black students at Yorktown? Fourteen students in a single sitting is too small of a sample size to make generalizations. Yorktown's 5 year average for black students is actually 25 points higher than WL's, and and the five year average for both Asian and Hispanic kids are also higher at Yorktown -- significantly higher, in fact (50 and 80 points higher). The only group where WL performs higher over the long term is white students, and I have no doubt that if the high achieving out of boundary white students who attend WL's IB program were removed the white scores would also be lower. Clearly the general student body at Yorktown performs more highly than the one at WL,

[Anonymous]

Again, you are cherry-picking the numbers. Why you would look at the five year average for whites and hispanics at both schools but then circle back to the one year score for black students at Yorktown? Fourteen students in a single sitting is too small of a sample size to make generalizations. Yorktown's 5 year average for black students is actually 25 points higher than WL's, and and the five year average for both Asian and Hispanic kids are also higher at Yorktown -- significantly higher, in fact (50 and 80 points higher). The only group where WL performs higher over the long term is white students, and I have no doubt that if the high achieving out of boundary white students who attend WL's IB program were removed the white scores would also be lower. Clearly the general student body at Yorktown performs more highly than the one at WL,

Do you have any idea how racist you sound? You seem to lack some self-awareness.

[Anonymous]

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Again, you are cherry-picking the numbers. Why you would look at the five year average for whites and hispanics at both schools but then circle back to the one year score for black students at Yorktown? Fourteen students in a single sitting is too small of a sample size to make generalizations. Yorktown's 5 year average for black students is actually 25 points higher than WL's, and and the five year average for both Asian and Hispanic kids are also higher at Yorktown -- significantly higher, in fact (50 and 80 points higher). The only group where WL performs higher over the long term is white students, and I have no doubt that if the high achieving out of boundary white students who attend WL's IB program were removed the white scores would also be lower. Clearly the general student body at Yorktown performs more highly than the one at WL,

Do you have any idea how racist you sound? You seem to lack some self-awareness.

Oh no, they're not being racist because DATA.

[Anonymous]

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Again, you are cherry-picking the numbers. Why you would look at the five year average for whites and hispanics at both schools but then circle back to the one year score for black students at Yorktown? Fourteen students in a single sitting is too small of a sample size to make generalizations. Yorktown's 5 year average for black students is actually 25 points higher than WL's, and and the five year average for both Asian and Hispanic kids are also higher at Yorktown -- significantly higher, in fact (50 and 80 points higher). The only group where WL performs higher over the long term is white students, and I have no doubt that if the high achieving out of boundary white students who attend WL's IB program were removed the white scores would also be lower. Clearly the general student body at Yorktown performs more highly than the one at WL,

Do you have any idea how racist you sound? You seem to lack some self-awareness.

Oh no, they're not being racist because DATA.

What Yorktown lady wants to say is they are the best because they are the whitest. It's the undertone of all of her posts. The teachers and administrators are of the same quality at both HS.

[Anonymous]

While the MONA's bicker about who is best, and which students scored 25 points higher than the other....
The parents of south Arlington have some legitimate concerns and problems.
But do go on ladies....

[Anonymous]

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Again, you are cherry-picking the numbers. Why you would look at the five year average for whites and hispanics at both schools but then circle back to the one year score for black students at Yorktown? Fourteen students in a single sitting is too small of a sample size to make generalizations. Yorktown's 5 year average for black students is actually 25 points higher than WL's, and and the five year average for both Asian and Hispanic kids are also higher at Yorktown -- significantly higher, in fact (50 and 80 points higher). The only group where WL performs higher over the long term is white students, and I have no doubt that if the high achieving out of boundary white students who attend WL's IB program were removed the white scores would also be lower. Clearly the general student body at Yorktown performs more highly than the one at WL,

Do you have any idea how racist you sound? You seem to lack some self-awareness.

Oh no, they're not being racist because DATA.

What Yorktown lady wants to say is they are the best because they are the whitest. It's the undertone of all of her posts. The teachers and administrators are of the same quality at both HS.

Um, I'm not a lady. I'm a man. And I haven't written all the "pro-Yorktown" posts.

I'm not being racist. I'm just looking at the facts and the data. The FACT is the WL started the IB program as part of an effort to encourage high achieving (read white) kids from throughout the county to attend WL. And the DATA shows that it's working. I personally know several high achieving white kids in the Yorktown district who attend WL for the IB program and would not -- actually, could not -- attend WL without the program.

I also never suggested that Yorktown is the best because it's the whitest. In fact, I said that Yorktown's MINORITIES perform better than anywhere else in the county, while conceding that the white kids at WL on average do slightly better. But Yorktown's cohort of white, high achieving students is much larger, and my hunch is that the larger cohort is lifting the minorities there. All the more reason why WL needs to continue to work hard to maintain its white population.

[Anonymous]

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Again, you are cherry-picking the numbers. Why you would look at the five year average for whites and hispanics at both schools but then circle back to the one year score for black students at Yorktown? Fourteen students in a single sitting is too small of a sample size to make generalizations. Yorktown's 5 year average for black students is actually 25 points higher than WL's, and and the five year average for both Asian and Hispanic kids are also higher at Yorktown -- significantly higher, in fact (50 and 80 points higher). The only group where WL performs higher over the long term is white students, and I have no doubt that if the high achieving out of boundary white students who attend WL's IB program were removed the white scores would also be lower. Clearly the general student body at Yorktown performs more highly than the one at WL,

Do you have any idea how racist you sound? You seem to lack some self-awareness.

Oh no, they're not being racist because DATA.

What Yorktown lady wants to say is they are the best because they are the whitest. It's the undertone of all of her posts. The teachers and administrators are of the same quality at both HS.

Um, I'm not a lady. I'm a man. And I haven't written all the "pro-Yorktown" posts.

I'm not being racist. I'm just looking at the facts and the data. The FACT is the WL started the IB program as part of an effort to encourage high achieving (read white) kids from throughout the county to attend WL. And the DATA shows that it's working. I personally know several high achieving white kids in the Yorktown district who attend WL for the IB program and would not -- actually, could not -- attend WL without the program.

I also never suggested that Yorktown is the best because it's the whitest. In fact, I said that Yorktown's MINORITIES perform better than anywhere else in the county, while conceding that the white kids at WL on average do slightly better. But Yorktown's cohort of white, high achieving students is much larger, and my hunch is that the larger cohort is lifting the minorities there. All the more reason why WL needs to continue to work hard to maintain its white population.

That makes sense, particularly since Arlington has no track record of attracting significant numbers of high-performing Asian students like Montgomery or Fairfax Counties.

[Anonymous]

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Again, you are cherry-picking the numbers. Why you would look at the five year average for whites and hispanics at both schools but then circle back to the one year score for black students at Yorktown? Fourteen students in a single sitting is too small of a sample size to make generalizations. Yorktown's 5 year average for black students is actually 25 points higher than WL's, and and the five year average for both Asian and Hispanic kids are also higher at Yorktown -- significantly higher, in fact (50 and 80 points higher). The only group where WL performs higher over the long term is white students, and I have no doubt that if the high achieving out of boundary white students who attend WL's IB program were removed the white scores would also be lower. Clearly the general student body at Yorktown performs more highly than the one at WL,

Do you have any idea how racist you sound? You seem to lack some self-awareness.

Oh no, they're not being racist because DATA.

What Yorktown lady wants to say is they are the best because they are the whitest. It's the undertone of all of her posts. The teachers and administrators are of the same quality at both HS.

Um, I'm not a lady. I'm a man. And I haven't written all the "pro-Yorktown" posts.

I'm not being racist. I'm just looking at the facts and the data. The FACT is the WL started the IB program as part of an effort to encourage high achieving (read white) kids from throughout the county to attend WL. And the DATA shows that it's working. I personally know several high achieving white kids in the Yorktown district who attend WL for the IB program and would not -- actually, could not -- attend WL without the program.

I also never suggested that Yorktown is the best because it's the whitest. In fact, I said that Yorktown's MINORITIES perform better than anywhere else in the county, while conceding that the white kids at WL on average do slightly better. But Yorktown's cohort of white, high achieving students is much larger, and my hunch is that the larger cohort is lifting the minorities there. All the more reason why WL needs to continue to work hard to maintain its white population.

That makes sense, particularly since Arlington has no track record of attracting significant numbers of high-performing Asian students like Montgomery or Fairfax Counties.

They won't pay a million dollars for an older, small home. They don't like " charm". They don't see value in that. Also, slim odds of TJ placement from Arlington. Different priorities.