Why Some People Convert to Islam

[Anonymous]

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If he loves her and values her as a person, he would never make her choose between her marriage and her possible ability to keep her children, her property and her independence.

I already told you that tricks exist to get around this. Sometimes life turns in unpredictable ways. I'm not advocating moving to an Islamic country, but you're making it sound like it HAS to be the pits, and it doesn't. A clever couple can figure out a safety net for herself and her children if life has turned in this way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

If he loves her and values her as a person, he would never make her choose between her marriage and her possible ability to keep her children, her property and her independence.

I already told you that tricks exist to get around this. Sometimes life turns in unpredictable ways. I'm not advocating moving to an Islamic country, but you're making it sound like it HAS to be the pits, and it doesn't. A clever couple can figure out a safety net for herself and her children if life has turned in this way.

Safety nets can fail, especially when you are not allowed to hold any of the cards.

You shouldn't need to use tricks to keep custody of your children if your husband just happens to pass away when you are in a Islamic country.

You shouldn't need to "figure out" how the wife can safely leave with her children, her property and her independence, just because she was unfortunate enough to fall in love with someone whose religion does not see her as a person, simply because she was born of a different belief system.

You shouldn't have to pretend to be a different religion just to hold on to the tiniest slivers of human rights, all because you fell in love with someone.

Yes, a husband who takes his non-muslim born wife and children to one of these countries is incredibly selfish.

[Anonymous]

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Perhaps something we can all agree on is it's not a good idea for a woman to go with her husband to an Islamic country to begin with.

Sometimes it can't be avoided, sometimes that's where the family or the job is. People are people, there are humans everywhere.

It can always be avoided.

There are jobs everywhere, in countries where a woman does not lose all her rights, including the rights to her children, just by crossing the border.

You have to realize that in an Islamic country, the greatest priority is on preservation of the religion. Individual rights exist, yes, and even for women contrary to the opinions expressed here. But those rights must be in the context of preserving religion first. So when a nonMuslim woman agrees to marry a man, and then chooses to live in an Islamic state, and when her husband dies, generally the state will give custody to the uncle or grandfather who is Muslim to ensure that child is raised as a Muslim. However, thats the Sharia. Remember that the Sharia is more restrictive and narrow in interpreting individual rights than the Quran.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Perhaps something we can all agree on is it's not a good idea for a woman to go with her husband to an Islamic country to begin with.

Sometimes it can't be avoided, sometimes that's where the family or the job is. People are people, there are humans everywhere.

It can always be avoided.

There are jobs everywhere, in countries where a woman does not lose all her rights, including the rights to her children, just by crossing the border.

You have to realize that in an Islamic country, the greatest priority is on preservation of the religion. Individual rights exist, yes, and even for women contrary to the opinions expressed here. But those rights must be in the context of preserving religion first. So when a nonMuslim woman agrees to marry a man, and then chooses to live in an Islamic state, and when her husband dies, generally the state will give custody to the uncle or grandfather who is Muslim to ensure that child is raised as a Muslim. However, thats the Sharia. Remember that the Sharia is more restrictive and narrow in interpreting individual rights than the Quran.

It is inhumane, and any man who would put his wife in that potential situation is not worth marrying and certainly not worth converting to anything over.

Good for that doctor mentioned above for getting his wife and family out of such a horrific situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

If he loves her and values her as a person, he would never make her choose between her marriage and her possible ability to keep her children, her property and her independence.

I already told you that tricks exist to get around this. Sometimes life turns in unpredictable ways. I'm not advocating moving to an Islamic country, but you're making it sound like it HAS to be the pits, and it doesn't. A clever couple can figure out a safety net for herself and her children if life has turned in this way.

Some people don't want to live a lie, no matter how "clever" they may otherwise be. Some do they want to live in a country where their lives would be destroyed if their flimsy workaround fails.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Perhaps something we can all agree on is it's not a good idea for a woman to go with her husband to an Islamic country to begin with.

Sometimes it can't be avoided, sometimes that's where the family or the job is. People are people, there are humans everywhere.

It can always be avoided.

There are jobs everywhere, in countries where a woman does not lose all her rights, including the rights to her children, just by crossing the border.

You have to realize that in an Islamic country, the greatest priority is on preservation of the religion. Individual rights exist, yes, and even for women contrary to the opinions expressed here. But those rights must be in the context of preserving religion first. So when a nonMuslim woman agrees to marry a man, and then chooses to live in an Islamic state, and when her husband dies, generally the state will give custody to the uncle or grandfather who is Muslim to ensure that child is raised as a Muslim. However, thats the Sharia. Remember that the Sharia is more restrictive and narrow in interpreting individual rights than the Quran.

It is inhumane, and any man who would put his wife in that potential situation is not worth marrying and certainly not worth converting to anything over.

Good for that doctor mentioned above for getting his wife and family out of such a horrific situation.

If an Islamic state gives 100% custody to nonMuslims, what would become of the Islam in "Islamic State"? What is more strange to me is why any woman would hate Islam so much that she "would rather die than convert" but yet marry a Muslim man. Luckily she had no kids but what if she did?

[Anonymous]

I understand Islam is not your cup of tea, but you really need to distinguish sharia from Islam because the Sharia is more strict than Islam is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Perhaps something we can all agree on is it's not a good idea for a woman to go with her husband to an Islamic country to begin with.

Sometimes it can't be avoided, sometimes that's where the family or the job is. People are people, there are humans everywhere.

It can always be avoided.

There are jobs everywhere, in countries where a woman does not lose all her rights, including the rights to her children, just by crossing the border.

You have to realize that in an Islamic country, the greatest priority is on preservation of the religion. Individual rights exist, yes, and even for women contrary to the opinions expressed here. But those rights must be in the context of preserving religion first. So when a nonMuslim woman agrees to marry a man, and then chooses to live in an Islamic state, and when her husband dies, generally the state will give custody to the uncle or grandfather who is Muslim to ensure that child is raised as a Muslim. However, thats the Sharia. Remember that the Sharia is more restrictive and narrow in interpreting individual rights than the Quran.

It is inhumane, and any man who would put his wife in that potential situation is not worth marrying and certainly not worth converting to anything over.

Good for that doctor mentioned above for getting his wife and family out of such a horrific situation.

If an Islamic state gives 100% custody to nonMuslims, what would become of the Islam in "Islamic State"? What is more strange to me is why any woman would hate Islam so much that she "would rather die than convert" but yet marry a Muslim man. Luckily she had no kids but what if she did?

It's their MOTHER. Who cares about the Islamic state. Why is it the right of the "state" to give a child to some random male relative, just because of the mother's birth? Those are her children, not the states.

And if the state needs to do this to keep their "Islamic State" then that says a lot about their faith.

[Anonymous]

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You have to realize that in an Islamic country, the greatest priority is on preservation of the religion. Individual rights exist, yes, and even for women contrary to the opinions expressed here. But those rights must be in the context of preserving religion first. So when a nonMuslim woman agrees to marry a man, and then chooses to live in an Islamic state, and when her husband dies, generally the state will give custody to the uncle or grandfather who is Muslim to ensure that child is raised as a Muslim. However, thats the Sharia. Remember that the Sharia is more restrictive and narrow in interpreting individual rights than the Quran.

Quran says nothing about custody.

[Anonymous]

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It's their MOTHER. Who cares about the Islamic state. Why is it the right of the "state" to give a child to some random male relative, just because of the mother's birth? Those are her children, not the states.

And if the state needs to do this to keep their "Islamic State" then that says a lot about their faith.

The Islamic state prefers to see children raised by the husband's family as Muslims rather than non-Muslim with their mother.

Sharia also doesn't permit Muslims to be under the guardianship of non-Muslims.

[Anonymous]

As long as we are on the subject of inheritance, a wife with no children inherits one-fourth of her husband's estate, one-eighth if she does have children. In the latter case, the remaining seven eighths is divided among the children, with the boys receiving twice what the girls inherit. If there are no sons, a male relative inherits one half of the remainder (if there is just one daughter) or one-third if there is more than one. In Islam there must always be a male heir.

This in part accounts for why mothers often show such strong preference for sons--if she has a son, only she and her children inherit without interference from her husband's male relatives. Since the mother gets only one-eighth, she relies on her son(s) to support her--and also tends to indulge the boys to make sure they do so. Girls often rely on their brothers for the same reason.

It also helps explain Muslim women's fondness for jewelry gifts. Her jewelry is her property and is often bought and sold for the value of the gold or jewels (very little handicraft markup--the workmanship is pretty much just marketing). It is a store of value--if her husband has bought her a pile of jewelry it is not considered as part of his estate and she can sell it off to augment her inheritance.

This is in the Koran, it is not sharia as one PP keeps saying about various other aspects of Muslim life.

By the way, if the wife dies, her husband inherits one quarter of her property, one half if there are no children.

Islamic inheritance laws explain a lot about Islamic family culture.

[Anonymous]

Should have been:

This is in the Koran, it is not JUST sharia as one PP keeps saying about various other aspects of Muslim life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As long as we are on the subject of inheritance, a wife with no children inherits one-fourth of her husband's estate, one-eighth if she does have children. In the latter case, the remaining seven eighths is divided among the children, with the boys receiving twice what the girls inherit. If there are no sons, a male relative inherits one half of the remainder (if there is just one daughter) or one-third if there is more than one. In Islam there must always be a male heir.

This in part accounts for why mothers often show such strong preference for sons--if she has a son, only she and her children inherit without interference from her husband's male relatives. Since the mother gets only one-eighth, she relies on her son(s) to support her--and also tends to indulge the boys to make sure they do so. Girls often rely on their brothers for the same reason.

It also helps explain Muslim women's fondness for jewelry gifts. Her jewelry is her property and is often bought and sold for the value of the gold or jewels (very little handicraft markup--the workmanship is pretty much just marketing). It is a store of value--if her husband has bought her a pile of jewelry it is not considered as part of his estate and she can sell it off to augment her inheritance.

This is in the Koran, it is not sharia as one PP keeps saying about various other aspects of Muslim life.

By the way, if the wife dies, her husband inherits one quarter of her property, one half if there are no children.

Islamic inheritance laws explain a lot about Islamic family culture.

Except the inheritance laws are enforced, and the culture isn't.

In Shia Islam, the wife can inherit 100% of everything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Perhaps something we can all agree on is it's not a good idea for a woman to go with her husband to an Islamic country to begin with.

Sometimes it can't be avoided, sometimes that's where the family or the job is. People are people, there are humans everywhere.

It can always be avoided.

There are jobs everywhere, in countries where a woman does not lose all her rights, including the rights to her children, just by crossing the border.

You have to realize that in an Islamic country, the greatest priority is on preservation of the religion. Individual rights exist, yes, and even for women contrary to the opinions expressed here. But those rights must be in the context of preserving religion first. So when a nonMuslim woman agrees to marry a man, and then chooses to live in an Islamic state, and when her husband dies, generally the state will give custody to the uncle or grandfather who is Muslim to ensure that child is raised as a Muslim. However, thats the Sharia. Remember that the Sharia is more restrictive and narrow in interpreting individual rights than the Quran.

It is inhumane, and any man who would put his wife in that potential situation is not worth marrying and certainly not worth converting to anything over.

Good for that doctor mentioned above for getting his wife and family out of such a horrific situation.

If an Islamic state gives 100% custody to nonMuslims, what would become of the Islam in "Islamic State"? What is more strange to me is why any woman would hate Islam so much that she "would rather die than convert" but yet marry a Muslim man. Luckily she had no kids but what if she did?

It's their MOTHER. Who cares about the Islamic state. Why is it the right of the "state" to give a child to some random male relative, just because of the mother's birth? Those are her children, not the states.

And if the state needs to do this to keep their "Islamic State" then that says a lot about their faith.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Perhaps something we can all agree on is it's not a good idea for a woman to go with her husband to an Islamic country to begin with.

Sometimes it can't be avoided, sometimes that's where the family or the job is. People are people, there are humans everywhere.

It can always be avoided.

There are jobs everywhere, in countries where a woman does not lose all her rights, including the rights to her children, just by crossing the border.

You have to realize that in an Islamic country, the greatest priority is on preservation of the religion. Individual rights exist, yes, and even for women contrary to the opinions expressed here. But those rights must be in the context of preserving religion first. So when a nonMuslim woman agrees to marry a man, and then chooses to live in an Islamic state, and when her husband dies, generally the state will give custody to the uncle or grandfather who is Muslim to ensure that child is raised as a Muslim. However, thats the Sharia. Remember that the Sharia is more restrictive and narrow in interpreting individual rights than the Quran.

It is inhumane, and any man who would put his wife in that potential situation is not worth marrying and certainly not worth converting to anything over.

Good for that doctor mentioned above for getting his wife and family out of such a horrific situation.

If an Islamic state gives 100% custody to nonMuslims, what would become of the Islam in "Islamic State"? What is more strange to me is why any woman would hate Islam so much that she "would rather die than convert" but yet marry a Muslim man. Luckily she had no kids but what if she did?

It's their MOTHER. Who cares about the Islamic state. Why is it the right of the "state" to give a child to some random male relative, just because of the mother's birth? Those are her children, not the states.

And if the state needs to do this to keep their "Islamic State" then that says a lot about their faith.

Do you know how custody is handled in the US? The best interests of the child standard usurps the rights of the parent, so if the parent is unfit then the other parent gets custody. If both are unfit, a relative will get custody. Same in the Islamic State but it is determined that raising the child as a Muslim IS in the best interest of a child.

Besides I do think the mother will get custody if the child is very young. She will have the right to wean her.