Was Paul Ryan's remark inarticulate or racist?

[Anonymous]

And - you will love this - the ACA uncovered $4.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud! The Tea Party fiscal conservatives should be standing up and cheering!

http://www.examiner.com/article/affordable-care-ac...d-amount-from-healthcare-fraud

Gee. I just read the article. The whole source of information was Sebelius and DOJ. Very little actual detail except for their word. I question both sources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As for statistics, I was just using your own muddled understanding given your previous mixup between "all" versus "some".

The articles provide the evidence that it is a serious problem. Here's another one from Buffalo NY. http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/niagara-county/welfare-fraud-investigations-crackdown-on-those-who-cheat-the-system-20140316 Half a million dollars a year in welfare fraud turned up by just one investigator's case load - but they figure there is significantly more beyond that (and accordingly are planning to add more investigators).

That's half a million dollars a year that could have gone to improve schools or for other more useful purposes.

So, back to my question: how do you know it exceeds 1%?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Every penny counts and it constantly sickens me to think that people seem to act like the tax revenue just grows on trees by itself - whether it's big corporate scams, whether it's wars fought abroad, or whether it's people scamming benefits.

Then why does it seem that the only funding bills that are hung up due to perceived fraud and waste are the ones that benefit poor people, instead of big corporations or the military-industrial complex? Yes, every penny counts. But relative to those, fraud within the SNAP program is pennies and within those other programs, Franklins. Why does it always come down to the "inner city" people buying lobster instead of the banks who received bailouts giving out million-dollar bonuses, and the Pentagon buying $2000 hammers?

Why do you keep trying to insist this is an "either/or" choice? Why don't you think we should work on fixing fraud EVERYWHERE?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And - you will love this - the ACA uncovered $4.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid fraud! The Tea Party fiscal conservatives should be standing up and cheering!

http://www.examiner.com/article/affordable-care-ac...d-amount-from-healthcare-fraud

Gee. I just read the article. The whole source of information was Sebelius and DOJ. Very little actual detail except for their word. I question both sources.

You "question" the sources based on what exact reasoning and based on information from what authoritative source? Just because some loudmouth like Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity said you shouldn't believe it? Ha ha ha...

What is YOUR authoritative source? Come on, admit it... all you have is facts-optional right wing talk-radio/FNC bloviators who just make it all up as they go along. If you are truly an independent minded critical thinker, you should start with questioning THEM... particularly as they get caught in whoppers of lies just about every day. ROTFL!

[Anonymous]

You "question" the sources based on what exact reasoning and based on information from what authoritative source? Just because some loudmouth like Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity said you shouldn't believe it? Ha ha ha...

What is YOUR authoritative source? Come on, admit it... all you have is facts-optional right wing talk-radio/FNC bloviators who just make it all up as they go along. If you are truly an independent minded critical thinker, you should start with questioning THEM... particularly as they get caught in whoppers of lies just about every day. ROTFL!

Well, let's start with Sebelius. Her definition of success: she cannot even remember what lies she told and denies saying things that are on tape. You trust her? You trust what HHS tells you?

[Anonymous]

Oh, please. Conservative media makes up their own facts and whenever someone says something contradictory they call it a lie. And since when were conservatives EVER trustworthy in the first place? Where are those death panels, sending senior citizens off to be euthanized? Your side swore up and down that was what we would have. The government abortion clinics on every corner that you guys said were coming? Where are they? They don't exist. But then comes the next lie, "oh, but they're coming..." Hahahaha! Based on WHAT authoritative source? What document? What Democrat official ever laid this out, EVER? Nobody. Never existed, never proposed, just pure fabrications from right wing extremists, and yet you gullible idiots bought into it, hook line and sinker. Can't you even begin to grasp how you are being manipulated?

You guys need to take a step back and stop huffing the fumes for a minute so that your heads can clear.

[Anonymous]

Oh, please. Conservative media makes up their own facts and whenever someone says something contradictory they call it a lie. And since when were conservatives EVER trustworthy in the first place? Where are those death panels, sending senior citizens off to be euthanized? Your side swore up and down that was what we would have. The government abortion clinics on every corner that you guys said were coming? Where are they? They don't exist. But then comes the next lie, "oh, but they're coming..." Hahahaha! Based on WHAT authoritative source? What document? What Democrat official ever laid this out, EVER? Nobody. Never existed, never proposed, just pure fabrications from right wing extremists, and yet you gullible idiots bought into it, hook line and sinker. Can't you even begin to grasp how you are being manipulated?

You guys need to take a step back and stop huffing the fumes for a minute so that your heads can clear.

How much KoolAid did you drink? Can you explain--since the ACA is so great--why Obama has put off so much of it until after he is out of office?

[Anonymous]

You do know that if Obama had agreed to delaying the mandate--as passed by the Republican House--that we would not have had the shut down? And, now he has done it with his pen. Isn't that just grand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You do know that if Obama had agreed to delaying the mandate--as passed by the Republican House--that we would not have had the shut down? And, now he has done it with his pen. Isn't that just grand?

+1000

The delays and phased implementations are at the REPUBLICANS request. Remember, there were well over 200 REPUBLICAN amendments accepted into the final version of ACA (despite their LIES about being shut out of the process or "not knowing what was in the bill"). Instead they threw around deceptive and dishonest sound bites like "you'll have to sign the bill to see what's in it" when they knew full well what was in it - the version that finally passed was virtually identical to the state it had been in 6 months prior. The GOP had work session after work session on it, caucus meeting after caucus meeting on it, they had scores of aides scouring it and going over the language with a fine toothed comb for months, they submitted amendment after amendment and then they have the audacity to try and say "uh, we were shut out and didn't know what was in it" - totally insulting the intelligence of anyone who was actually paying attention to what went on in Congress. Just like the nonexistent cattle cars coming round to ferry senior citizens off to gas chambers there has been nothing but one gargantuan, disgusting lie after another on ACA coming from Republicans.

[Anonymous]

The delays and phased implementations are at the REPUBLICANS request. Remember, there were well over 200 REPUBLICAN amendments accepted into the final version of ACA (despite their LIES about being shut out of the process or "not knowing what was in the bill"). Instead they threw around deceptive and dishonest sound bites like "you'll have to sign the bill to see what's in it" when they knew full well what was in it - the version that finally passed was virtually identical to the state it had been in 6 months prior. The GOP had work session after work session on it, caucus meeting after caucus meeting on it, they had scores of aides scouring it and going over the language with a fine toothed comb for months, they submitted amendment after amendment and then they have the audacity to try and say "uh, we were shut out and didn't know what was in it" - totally insulting the intelligence of anyone who was actually paying attention to what went on in Congress. Just like the nonexistent cattle cars coming round to ferry senior citizens off to gas chambers there has been nothing but one gargantuan, disgusting lie after another on ACA coming from Republicans.

Keep drinking the KoolAid. You are now crediting the GOP with the passage of a bill that not one GOP supported. REally?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The delays and phased implementations are at the REPUBLICANS request. Remember, there were well over 200 REPUBLICAN amendments accepted into the final version of ACA (despite their LIES about being shut out of the process or "not knowing what was in the bill"). Instead they threw around deceptive and dishonest sound bites like "you'll have to sign the bill to see what's in it" when they knew full well what was in it - the version that finally passed was virtually identical to the state it had been in 6 months prior. The GOP had work session after work session on it, caucus meeting after caucus meeting on it, they had scores of aides scouring it and going over the language with a fine toothed comb for months, they submitted amendment after amendment and then they have the audacity to try and say "uh, we were shut out and didn't know what was in it" - totally insulting the intelligence of anyone who was actually paying attention to what went on in Congress. Just like the nonexistent cattle cars coming round to ferry senior citizens off to gas chambers there has been nothing but one gargantuan, disgusting lie after another on ACA coming from Republicans.

Keep drinking the KoolAid. You are now crediting the GOP with the passage of a bill that not one GOP supported. REally?

Yes, a sign of desperation, or perhaps HOPING that the CHANGE will come.

[Anonymous]

That's really funny of you to say the GOP didn't support it when it was their idea in the first place. I suggest you go back and look at their healthcare reform platform going back the 20 year prior, to RomneyCare, to the 1993 GOP healthcare reform bill, to 1990 Heritage Foundation issue papers on it... They didn't do their 180 and "oppose" it until Democrats took it up.

[Anonymous]

From another post which frames it quite well, with citations:

The language in the Affordable Care Act forcing people to buy insurance came almost verbatim from the 1993 GOP healthcare reform proposal. To quote from the 1993 GOP healthcare bill: "Subtitle F: Universal Coverage - Requires each citizen or lawful permanent resident to be covered under a qualified health plan or equivalent health care program by January 1, 2005."
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/s1770/text

Prior to that, the individual mandate came from the Heritage Foundation in 1990 - http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/1990/07/Using-Tax-Credits-to-Create-an-Affordable-Health-System where the Heritage Foundation's own proposal says “government would require, by law every head of household to acquire at least a basic health plan for his or her family.”

You should be quite embarrassed to not even know your own party's history on the subject.

[Anonymous]

From another post which frames it quite well, with citations:

The language in the Affordable Care Act forcing people to buy insurance came almost verbatim from the 1993 GOP healthcare reform proposal. To quote from the 1993 GOP healthcare bill: "Subtitle F: Universal Coverage - Requires each citizen or lawful permanent resident to be covered under a qualified health plan or equivalent health care program by January 1, 2005."
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/s1770/text

Prior to that, the individual mandate came from the Heritage Foundation in 1990 - http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/1990/07/U...te-an-Affordable-Health-System where the Heritage Foundation's own proposal says “government would require, by law every head of household to acquire at least a basic health plan for his or her family.”

You should be quite embarrassed to not even know your own party's history on the subject.

Then, I guess they wised up. Funny, you must know what a fiasco this bill is now that you are trying to blame it on the GOP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

From another post which frames it quite well, with citations:

The language in the Affordable Care Act forcing people to buy insurance came almost verbatim from the 1993 GOP healthcare reform proposal. To quote from the 1993 GOP healthcare bill: "Subtitle F: Universal Coverage - Requires each citizen or lawful permanent resident to be covered under a qualified health plan or equivalent health care program by January 1, 2005."
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/103/s1770/text

Prior to that, the individual mandate came from the Heritage Foundation in 1990 - http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/1990/07/U...te-an-Affordable-Health-System where the Heritage Foundation's own proposal says “government would require, by law every head of household to acquire at least a basic health plan for his or her family.”

You should be quite embarrassed to not even know your own party's history on the subject.

Then, I guess they wised up. Funny, you must know what a fiasco this bill is now that you are trying to blame it on the GOP.

It can't be a fiasco. Just last year, you voted for the one guy in America who actually implemented it.