Stokes- the last hurrah

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The brain plasticity that enable young children to learn languages easily ends at around age seven. Ask any immigrant that moved to the US with young kids. It isn't fair to place older kids into an immersion environment unless they are prepared to work hard at learning the language because they no have the ability to absorb the language seemingly effortlessly.

Calling BS. The language center of the brain is plastic until puberty for most kids. I've seen this in action with a kid who learned french at 11. He's as fluent and native as anyone else. I know because I am too

I immigrated to the U.S. at 7 knowing no English and English became my dominant language by age nine. I sound like a native speaker in English. My cousin who came here at 10 while he is English dominant still speaks English with an accent.

And note that this was FULL immersion not 50/50 where the dominant culture is in English. Call it BS if you want but while the brain may retain plasticity til puberty, the ability to learn language simply by being exposed to it (without being taught formally) wanes considerably by age 7 on average. Also, individual ability to learn language counts too but in general age matters.

Are you a linguist? Where did you get your information? Would you mind sharing?

No, I'm not a linguist. This is common knowledge in any immigrant community. Do a google search.

No, this is common knowledge in a dip shit community. You may want to google search "spreading false BS just because one if from an immigrant community". You might just find your picture there. To the rest of the learned community- the research is quite clear. Puberty, not the age of 7, is when the language center begins to change and the ability to achieve native fluency is lost. This know-it-all poster doesn't know anything! Trolls come in all shapes and sizes, and migration statuses.

[Anonymous]

^So you got a spot at Stokes for your 10 yr old who does not speak/know any Spanish/French and are hoping she'll catch up on the language. OK. Good luck!

[Anonymous]

^^ You're confusing me with another poster. My comment is about achieving native like fluency before puberty sets in. This is possible with a full immersion environment, as research has shown over and over again. I don't know about Stokes program, but I don't think this is possible with a 50/50 model with a bunch of kids that aren't native speakers. The research is about full immersion. The poster who said you can't become native fluent after the age of 7, which was just his/her uneducated opinion is wrong. I was pointing that out. If starting a program is bad at 7, the results would be the same for 7,8,9,10,11 or 12 when most people have reached puberty.

[Anonymous]

Stokes is 50/50 model and the kids speak English in the cafe and playground.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The brain plasticity that enable young children to learn languages easily ends at around age seven. Ask any immigrant that moved to the US with young kids. It isn't fair to place older kids into an immersion environment unless they are prepared to work hard at learning the language because they no have the ability to absorb the language seemingly effortlessly.

Calling BS. The language center of the brain is plastic until puberty for most kids. I've seen this in action with a kid who learned french at 11. He's as fluent and native as anyone else. I know because I am too

I immigrated to the U.S. at 7 knowing no English and English became my dominant language by age nine. I sound like a native speaker in English. My cousin who came here at 10 while he is English dominant still speaks English with an accent.

And note that this was FULL immersion not 50/50 where the dominant culture is in English. Call it BS if you want but while the brain may retain plasticity til puberty, the ability to learn language simply by being exposed to it (without being taught formally) wanes considerably by age 7 on average. Also, individual ability to learn language counts too but in general age matters.

Are you a linguist? Where did you get your information? Would you mind sharing?

No, I'm not a linguist. This is common knowledge in any immigrant community. Do a google search.

No, this is common knowledge in a dip shit community. You may want to google search "spreading false BS just because one if from an immigrant community". You might just find your picture there. To the rest of the learned community- the research is quite clear. Puberty, not the age of 7, is when the language center begins to change and the ability to achieve native fluency is lost. This know-it-all poster doesn't know anything! Trolls come in all shapes and sizes, and migration statuses.

Since you've now called this poster a dipshit and a troll, please point out where s/he actually says "after 7 yrs old you cannot achieve native fluency"? I see where he says it takes hard work and his relative who learned at 10 speaks with an accent, but not where he says native fluency after 7 is impossible. Where did he say that?

[Anonymous]

What is a Stokes, anyway O_0

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The brain plasticity that enable young children to learn languages easily ends at around age seven. Ask any immigrant that moved to the US with young kids. It isn't fair to place older kids into an immersion environment unless they are prepared to work hard at learning the language because they no have the ability to absorb the language seemingly effortlessly.

Calling BS. The language center of the brain is plastic until puberty for most kids. I've seen this in action with a kid who learned french at 11. He's as fluent and native as anyone else. I know because I am too :lol:

I immigrated to the U.S. at 7 knowing no English and English became my dominant language by age nine. I sound like a native speaker in English. My cousin who came here at 10 while he is English dominant still speaks English with an accent.

And note that this was FULL immersion not 50/50 where the dominant culture is in English. Call it BS if you want but while the brain may retain plasticity til puberty, the ability to learn language simply by being exposed to it (without being taught formally) wanes considerably by age 7 on average. Also, individual ability to learn language counts too but in general age matters.

Are you a linguist? Where did you get your information? Would you mind sharing?

No, I'm not a linguist. This is common knowledge in any immigrant community. Do a google search.

No, this is common knowledge in a dip shit community. You may want to google search "spreading false BS just because one if from an immigrant community". You might just find your picture there. To the rest of the learned community- the research is quite clear. Puberty, not the age of 7, is when the language center begins to change and the ability to achieve native fluency is lost. This know-it-all poster doesn't know anything! Trolls come in all shapes and sizes, and migration statuses.

Since you've now called this poster a dipshit and a troll, please point out where s/he actually says "after 7 yrs old you cannot achieve native fluency"? I see where he says it takes hard work and his relative who learned at 10 speaks with an accent, but not where he says native fluency after 7 is impossible. Where did he say that?

Are you the DCUM police? I don't have to explain anything to you. You must have reading comprehension issues. It's clear the poster was implying that language ability diminishes after 7 years of age. That's bullshit. Plain and simple. You may want to play semantic games, but I have desire to indulge you in this pathetic behavior. Go get your rocks off some other way. :evil:

[Anonymous]

^ Troll here. So you are saying that a 10 yr old (or any kid prior to puberty) and a 4 yr old have the same ability to learn a foreign language? If you think that, you are a moron.

[Anonymous]

^^ You definitely are a troll, and a dumb one at that. It takes five seconds to google language acquisition so your dumbass can get with the program. Try it. It'd be a better use of your time. Spreading BS to try and discourage people from Stokes' lottery for upper grades so your kid can get a shot is just sleazy. You don't happen to also live in PG do you?

[Anonymous]

^^^Hey, if the parents think it's a good idea to send their 10 yr old who doesn't know Spanish/French into a language immersion school where 1/2 the curriculum is taught in the language they don't know, good luck to them and their kid. So good luck, idiot. And why don't you actually read the articles you googled.

My kids already attend an immersion school which they entered in preschool. I wouldn't have sent them otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ You definitely are a troll, and a dumb one at that. It takes five seconds to google language acquisition so your dumbass can get with the program. Try it. It'd be a better use of your time. Spreading BS to try and discourage people from Stokes' lottery for upper grades so your kid can get a shot is just sleazy. You don't happen to also live in PG do you?

I don't listen to or respect the opinion of anyone who takes the most extreme interpretation of what another poster says and calls them names while spinning their quote into another meaning than what their actual words say.

You also render your opinion worthless regardless of content when you call people juvenile names like dumbass.

[Anonymous]

With all do respect, you're both wrong: http://ruccs.rutgers.edu/~karin/550.READINGS/SYNTAX/CRITICAL.PERIOD/DeKeyser.pdf

[Anonymous]

Could anyone who thought they had a low WL number because they were able to get their Pre-k application in "early" let us know what number they wound up getting? I was very surprised myself. TIA!

[Anonymous]

^so what # did you end up with? Top 5, 10, 40?

[Anonymous]

60s. This seems fishy to me.