Fairfax versus PG for new FBI Headquarters gets ugly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The proximity of greenbelt to “main Justice” misses the point. This will BE main Justice.

And the person who said it’s above Nina Albers pay grade is basically admitting the decision became political. I mean that’s exactly the problem. It should not have been political. Procurement is not supposed to be political and that is why this stinks.

Well, her decision saved the taxpayers $1B and three years of construction time relative to Springfield. So, yay for Nina?

The cost difference in the report was less than the price of a new build elementary school. Not $1 billion. Albers used subjective language in the actual report signed on 9/30/23 and ratings were done on best to worst- blue, green, yellow for each criteria. GSA came up with a simplistic rating system. Greenbelt has wetlands, is a triangular site, and has over 1.5 acres less buildable land than Springfield. Both of those sites totaled 42 months to start time with fudged numbers on GSA Federal Govt relocating crap in warehouse or warehouses.

So what's in that GSA warehouse in springfield? Well it does have used furniture. https://hallways.cap.gsa.gov/app/#/gateway/office-management/3180/gsa-has-free-used-furniture-your-office
What besides that furniture type of stuff does GSA have or had in the warehouses? Back in 2014 GSA tried to remove the Springfield site from consideration because of the warehouses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The proximity of greenbelt to “main Justice” misses the point. This will BE main Justice.

And the person who said it’s above Nina Albers pay grade is basically admitting the decision became political. I mean that’s exactly the problem. It should not have been political. Procurement is not supposed to be political and that is why this stinks.

Well, her decision saved the taxpayers $1B and three years of construction time relative to Springfield. So, yay for Nina?

Yes, her shenanigans have made Springfield the choice and they can get started on the project now. Should have started years ago but the process was halted by TFG's earlier shenanigans.

[Anonymous]

MD won though I heard VA filed to stop it. Will it have childcare on-site?

[Anonymous]

There's also the TSA HQ in Springfield. Why wouldn't you build the FBI HQ next to it?

[Anonymous]

So much hopium. Lol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fairfax County Development Association President Gerry Gordon’s comments at a forum went too far.
According to the Washington Business Journal, Gordon said the FBI would be appropriate for Prince George’s County because that’s where the agency would find the people it picks up.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Controversial-Comments-in-Campaign-to-Land-New-FBI-Headquarters-197704711.html

Three strings of robberies in our GF neighborhood. All three times, perps were from - and picked up in - PG county.

Truth hurts.

Golly, three property crimes. Maybe you should move to the outer suburbs. You aren't cut out for living in such close proximity to other people.

So it only counts if they shoot someone? I see...

Again, truth hurts. We get PG residents crossing the bridge specifically to steal

What I'm hearing is that your neighborhood is NOT safe. Glad I don't live there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's also the TSA HQ in Springfield. Why wouldn't you build the FBI HQ next to it?

Have you been to Springfield?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it should go to PG. It has the least amount of traffic density.

Seriously, this entire area is changing. If people keep saying that businesses shouldn't move to PG, then of course crime will increase, because there are empty buildings!!! That would happen in *any* county/city.

PG County has metro access, the lightest traffic in the general area, and it has the facilities/space.

Montgomery County and Northern Va traffic are out of control.

PG County makes the most sense.

Remember, some of the most gentrified, expensive areas of D.C. used to be worse than Baltimore City and PG combined. But what happened? People moved there! Businesses moved there! Crime dropped because it was no longer stretches of empty, boarded-up buildings.

We need to start making decisions based on practical things and not stupid stigmas. There are a lot of areas in PG that are safe and family-friendly and lovely places.

Fairfax is near airports, the Pentagon, Quantico, CIA. Practical and good public schools for FBI employees. PG is near fedex Field and on the way to the beach.

PG is also near a major airport. And the NSA. Metro, MARC trains, and affordable housing.

[Anonymous]

I'm interested in what the GSA IG discovers.

[Anonymous]

Well whatever the decision, it needs to be done quickly. The current headquarter is a disaster waiting to happen.

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/federal-newscast/2023/12/as-plans-for-a-new-fbi-hq-chug-along-the-old-building-falls-apart/

Congress is scrutinizing plans for a new FBI headquarters while the current HQ is falling apart. The FBI’s J. Edgar Hoover building is showing its age, as it sports nets around its perimeter keep chunks of concrete from falling off and hitting pedestrians. But parts of the building are also dropping onto employee workspaces and equipment. Nick Dimos, assistant director of the FBI’s Finance and Facilities Division, said the agency has spent $75 million since 2011 to avoid a “catastrophic” breakdown of its water systems. "Pipe bursts and plumbing challenges are commonplace, leading to the damage of FBI space, IT and records,” he said.

They need netting to avoid chunks of the building falling off and hitting pedestrians (a federal lawsuit waiting to kick the government for a lot of money), they have parts of the building falling onto employee workspaces (a potential OSHA lawsuit waiting to cost the government lots of money), damaged to equipment from building collapse and water pipe bursts. And if parts of the building are falling on employee workspaces, what's to say that a section of floor under a cubicle farm doesn't collapse onto the floor below, causing more than just a few injuries or deaths? This is a deathtrap and they need to move.

This is one of the major reasons Albert overrode the panel recommendation. She said explicitly that the Metro site was shovel ready and could be developed on a faster time frame than Springfield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The proximity of greenbelt to “main Justice” misses the point. This will BE main Justice.

And the person who said it’s above Nina Albers pay grade is basically admitting the decision became political. I mean that’s exactly the problem. It should not have been political. Procurement is not supposed to be political and that is why this stinks.

Well, her decision saved the taxpayers $1B and three years of construction time relative to Springfield. So, yay for Nina?

The cost difference in the report was less than the price of a new build elementary school. Not $1 billion. Albers used subjective language in the actual report signed on 9/30/23 and ratings were done on best to worst- blue, green, yellow for each criteria. GSA came up with a simplistic rating system. Greenbelt has wetlands, is a triangular site, and has over 1.5 acres less buildable land than Springfield. Both of those sites totaled 42 months to start time with fudged numbers on GSA Federal Govt relocating crap in warehouse or warehouses.

So what's in that GSA warehouse in springfield? Well it does have used furniture. https://hallways.cap.gsa.gov/app/#/gateway/office-management/3180/gsa-has-free-used-furniture-your-office
What besides that furniture type of stuff does GSA have or had in the warehouses? Back in 2014 GSA tried to remove the Springfield site from consideration because of the warehouses.

This is incorrect. The site itself is rectangular. Only the proposed HQ complex is triangular. They can still change those plans. It's only an artist's rendition, not blueprints or plans.

The green area is the site available. The proposed building is just an artists concept, not an actual plan.