Have your children ever had an extremely disruptive child in elementary class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Part of the job as a teacher is working on emotional/social skills as well.

Not really, it's not a teachers job to deal with emotional issues. You are not a psychologist and don't have the expertise. Teachers job is to educate. You are playing "the savior." I bet the other nt girl didnt get the one on one time with you in the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher out of the DC area who has a student who can be disruptive. There's a lot of possible causes of why he disrupts, none of which makes me want to remove him from my classroom permanently.

When my student begins to be disruptive he gets a warning. Often I will send him on an errand, because that helps him reset. If it continues and starts to escalate, I give a signal to the class which tells them to leave the room. The students walk to a common area and sit down. That leaves me and the student alone in the room. There is a button that I can push which will send help if needed. Once he is calm, I get the rest of the students and we move on.

I have a behavior system (marble bucket) in the classroom for all students which helps. If he escalates to the point of hurting someone he has to sit in the office during electives, PE, or lunch.

He is showing a lot of growth compared to previous years, and is a great kid. He just can't handle himself sometimes. He's only gotten physical with me once, and that was because I went to hit the button to call the principal and he was trying to prevent me from doing so because he didn't want to go to the office.

Part of being employed at the school I work at (this is my first year) was receiving non violent intervention training (including how to escape holds/grabs) and PBIS training. I've quickly realized that DC/MD/VA's idea of PBIS is very different then here.

This is what I find utterly ridiculous. Hurting someone?? Hurting the teacher?? Yeah, but otherwise he is a great kid who LOVES school?

OP, with all due respect, do you have children? How would you feel if that 'great kid' hurt your child?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Part of the job as a teacher is working on emotional/social skills as well.

Not really, it's not a teachers job to deal with emotional issues. You are not a psychologist and don't have the expertise. Teachers job is to educate. You are playing "the savior." I bet the other nt girl didnt get the one on one time with you in the classroom.

I'm guessing you don't work with elementary aged kids?

You spend all day with a group of kids and yes there is time spent on social skills, problem solving, etc. Especially if those skills are not taught at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher out of the DC area who has a student who can be disruptive. There's a lot of possible causes of why he disrupts, none of which makes me want to remove him from my classroom permanently.

When my student begins to be disruptive he gets a warning. Often I will send him on an errand, because that helps him reset. If it continues and starts to escalate, I give a signal to the class which tells them to leave the room. The students walk to a common area and sit down. That leaves me and the student alone in the room. There is a button that I can push which will send help if needed. Once he is calm, I get the rest of the students and we move on.

I have a behavior system (marble bucket) in the classroom for all students which helps. If he escalates to the point of hurting someone he has to sit in the office during electives, PE, or lunch.

He is showing a lot of growth compared to previous years, and is a great kid. He just can't handle himself sometimes. He's only gotten physical with me once, and that was because I went to hit the button to call the principal and he was trying to prevent me from doing so because he didn't want to go to the office.

Part of being employed at the school I work at (this is my first year) was receiving non violent intervention training (including how to escape holds/grabs) and PBIS training. I've quickly realized that DC/MD/VA's idea of PBIS is very different then here.

This is what I find utterly ridiculous. Hurting someone?? Hurting the teacher?? Yeah, but otherwise he is a great kid who LOVES school?

OP, with all due respect, do you have children? How would you feel if that 'great kid' hurt your child?

I don't know a single child who has never not once in their entire life hit, pushed, or bit someone.

He is a great kid. That's my job as a teacher - to look past the issues and all of the negative things in all of the kids (and even look past the spoiled brat in some of them) and see who they are underneath and foster that part of them. My job is not to give up on them and assume they'll never get it and focus only on the ones who do.

We're talking about an elementary aged kid. Think under the age of 8. When he's an adult, he will not have the chances that he has now. So, we need to try our best to educate him and give him the chance and skills and the ability to control himself. Giving up on him or isolating him will not give him that chance.

I'm involved, other teachers are involved, the school counselor is involved, the principal is involved. He goes to counseling outside of school. He has supervised visits with his biological mom (which may or may not be a good thing). It takes a village to raise a child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher out of the DC area who has a student who can be disruptive. There's a lot of possible causes of why he disrupts, none of which makes me want to remove him from my classroom permanently.

When my student begins to be disruptive he gets a warning. Often I will send him on an errand, because that helps him reset. If it continues and starts to escalate, I give a signal to the class which tells them to leave the room. The students walk to a common area and sit down. That leaves me and the student alone in the room. There is a button that I can push which will send help if needed. Once he is calm, I get the rest of the students and we move on.

I have a behavior system (marble bucket) in the classroom for all students which helps. If he escalates to the point of hurting someone he has to sit in the office during electives, PE, or lunch.

He is showing a lot of growth compared to previous years, and is a great kid. He just can't handle himself sometimes. He's only gotten physical with me once, and that was because I went to hit the button to call the principal and he was trying to prevent me from doing so because he didn't want to go to the office.

Part of being employed at the school I work at (this is my first year) was receiving non violent intervention training (including how to escape holds/grabs) and PBIS training. I've quickly realized that DC/MD/VA's idea of PBIS is very different then here.

This is what I find utterly ridiculous. Hurting someone?? Hurting the teacher?? Yeah, but otherwise he is a great kid who LOVES school?

OP, with all due respect, do you have children? How would you feel if that 'great kid' hurt your child?

I don't know a single child who has never not once in their entire life hit, pushed, or bit someone.

He is a great kid. That's my job as a teacher - to look past the issues and all of the negative things in all of the kids (and even look past the spoiled brat in some of them) and see who they are underneath and foster that part of them. My job is not to give up on them and assume they'll never get it and focus only on the ones who do.

We're talking about an elementary aged kid. Think under the age of 8. When he's an adult, he will not have the chances that he has now. So, we need to try our best to educate him and give him the chance and skills and the ability to control himself. Giving up on him or isolating him will not give him that chance.

I'm involved, other teachers are involved, the school counselor is involved, the principal is involved. He goes to counseling outside of school. He has supervised visits with his biological mom (which may or may not be a good thing). It takes a village to raise a child.

You, my dear, sound like an ace teacher. This also sends a subtle but very powerful message to the rest of the kids...that all the children are valued by the teacher and not just the high achievers. Signed, mom of a highly gifted child who wants him to grow up kind, considerate and compassionate above all!

[Anonymous]

The very disruptive child in my sons'class needs an aid. The parents are in denial. I think their son has an emotional disability. They think its typical kid stuff. It's just incredibly sad. He hurts other kids daily and is very oppositional. The Interesting thing about him is that he is very verbal and sociable. I don't mind him being in school with my kids, but I feel everyone would be safer if he had an aid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher out of the DC area who has a student who can be disruptive. There's a lot of possible causes of why he disrupts, none of which makes me want to remove him from my classroom permanently.

When my student begins to be disruptive he gets a warning. Often I will send him on an errand, because that helps him reset. If it continues and starts to escalate, I give a signal to the class which tells them to leave the room. The students walk to a common area and sit down. That leaves me and the student alone in the room. There is a button that I can push which will send help if needed. Once he is calm, I get the rest of the students and we move on.

I have a behavior system (marble bucket) in the classroom for all students which helps. If he escalates to the point of hurting someone he has to sit in the office during electives, PE, or lunch.

He is showing a lot of growth compared to previous years, and is a great kid. He just can't handle himself sometimes. He's only gotten physical with me once, and that was because I went to hit the button to call the principal and he was trying to prevent me from doing so because he didn't want to go to the office.

Part of being employed at the school I work at (this is my first year) was receiving non violent intervention training (including how to escape holds/grabs) and PBIS training. I've quickly realized that DC/MD/VA's idea of PBIS is very different then here.

This is what I find utterly ridiculous. Hurting someone?? Hurting the teacher?? Yeah, but otherwise he is a great kid who LOVES school?

OP, with all due respect, do you have children? How would you feel if that 'great kid' hurt your child?

I completely agree. Yes, it is heartbreaking when there is a child who obviously needs special help and just can't control him/herself. However, there is a classroom full of other kids, most of whom really want to be there. These children are not able to focus with the disruptive child constantly acting up. What about those kids? Are they just supposed to adjust to the bad behavior of one, just put up with it and hope that they are able to retain something they may or may not have learned that day? I find it patently unfair that one child is allowed to control the learning environment and effectively, hold all the other children hostage to his/her behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Signed, mom of a highly gifted child who wants him to grow up kind, considerate and compassionate above all!

I think you people send the WRONG message to the kids. You're teaching them that you have to put up with others' emotional problems, violent behavior and you're responsible for helping them work them out.

In adult life no one actually tolerates this. No one is going to put up with your emotional outbursts at work. If a spouse is violent with you you don't go sit in the other room.

Normal kids get punished for this kind of behavior from early on - timeouts, etc. In our preschool if a child is regularly violent after an incident or two his parents will be asked to take him somewhere else.

So you're sending a mixed message about this - for other kids it's not acceptable and they get punished, but for YOU, because you're SPECIAL we'll kick the class out and sit and talk about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher out of the DC area who has a student who can be disruptive. There's a lot of possible causes of why he disrupts, none of which makes me want to remove him from my classroom permanently.

When my student begins to be disruptive he gets a warning. Often I will send him on an errand, because that helps him reset. If it continues and starts to escalate, I give a signal to the class which tells them to leave the room. The students walk to a common area and sit down. That leaves me and the student alone in the room. There is a button that I can push which will send help if needed. Once he is calm, I get the rest of the students and we move on.

I have a behavior system (marble bucket) in the classroom for all students which helps. If he escalates to the point of hurting someone he has to sit in the office during electives, PE, or lunch.

He is showing a lot of growth compared to previous years, and is a great kid. He just can't handle himself sometimes. He's only gotten physical with me once, and that was because I went to hit the button to call the principal and he was trying to prevent me from doing so because he didn't want to go to the office.

Part of being employed at the school I work at (this is my first year) was receiving non violent intervention training (including how to escape holds/grabs) and PBIS training. I've quickly realized that DC/MD/VA's idea of PBIS is very different then here.

This is what I find utterly ridiculous. Hurting someone?? Hurting the teacher?? Yeah, but otherwise he is a great kid who LOVES school?

OP, with all due respect, do you have children? How would you feel if that 'great kid' hurt your child?

I don't know a single child who has never not once in their entire life hit, pushed, or bit someone.

He is a great kid. That's my job as a teacher - to look past the issues and all of the negative things in all of the kids (and even look past the spoiled brat in some of them) and see who they are underneath and foster that part of them. My job is not to give up on them and assume they'll never get it and focus only on the ones who do.

We're talking about an elementary aged kid. Think under the age of 8. When he's an adult, he will not have the chances that he has now. So, we need to try our best to educate him and give him the chance and skills and the ability to control himself. Giving up on him or isolating him will not give him that chance.

I'm involved, other teachers are involved, the school counselor is involved, the principal is involved. He goes to counseling outside of school. He has supervised visits with his biological mom (which may or may not be a good thing). It takes a village to raise a child.

You, my dear, sound like an ace teacher. This also sends a subtle but very powerful message to the rest of the kids...that all the children are valued by the teacher and not just the high achievers. Signed, mom of a highly gifted child who wants him to grow up kind, considerate and compassionate above all!

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Signed, mom of a highly gifted child who wants him to grow up kind, considerate and compassionate above all!

I think you people send the WRONG message to the kids. You're teaching them that you have to put up with others' emotional problems, violent behavior and you're responsible for helping them work them out.

In adult life no one actually tolerates this. No one is going to put up with your emotional outbursts at work. If a spouse is violent with you you don't go sit in the other room.

Normal kids get punished for this kind of behavior from early on - timeouts, etc. In our preschool if a child is regularly violent after an incident or two his parents will be asked to take him somewhere else.

So you're sending a mixed message about this - for other kids it's not acceptable and they get punished, but for YOU, because you're SPECIAL we'll kick the class out and sit and talk about it.

I think you missed that there ARE consequences for his behavior. Generally the consequences are missed recess or electives and/or time in the office (all of which he dreads). We also have a marble bucket where each student earns 1-4 marbles for each class period and his behavior may cause him not to earn 4, which is also a huge deal to him (however, there are days when he does earn 4!)

Deescalating the situation does not mean there are no consequences, it just means you let him calm down and become rational again before discussing his behavior and the consequences and then following through. You do NOT want to escalate a situation or have other kids there to escalate the situation or be in the way if it does escalate. Its a precaution because in previous years it would escalate. So far this year he hasn't escalated as bad as it did in previous years and I'm optimistic that it isn't going to.

When he's an adult he will not have the chance. But he is not an adult, he is in elementary school. We need to give him the chance and the opportunity NOW. Giving up on him will not give him that chance. The fact that there has been growth on his part over the past couple of years and I even see growth this school year means it is working. I saw two examples of growth on his part last week alone. If that costs the other kids less then 10 minutes in 2 months of being outside the classroom, so be it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Signed, mom of a highly gifted child who wants him to grow up kind, considerate and compassionate above all!

I think you people send the WRONG message to the kids. You're teaching them that you have to put up with others' emotional problems, violent behavior and you're responsible for helping them work them out.

In adult life no one actually tolerates this. No one is going to put up with your emotional outbursts at work. If a spouse is violent with you you don't go sit in

This is how I feel.

No, the kid is not an adult, but do you think you could get work done at your office if you had to spend the day worrying about one of your co-workers going on a rampage and trying to hit you? Or, like the PP, if you were dealing with a man in the office who wanted to grab your butt? There is no reason why a kid should have to worry about this at school.

Nobody is saying that we should give up on the kids who need extra attention. Rather, it would benefit them to get an aide to provide them the attention they need without putting the other kids in the class at risk.

[Anonymous]

Does everyone here with an elementary kid remember having a toddler? Remember how unreasonable their tantrums were? Remember how hard you had to work as a parent to help them understand what expectations for appropriate behavior were? For those of you with more than one child, did you have one toddler who was more willful, had more trouble with self-control? For the more "difficult" of your two children, did you just say, "unacceptable, s/he needs to figure this out" and then just leave it at that? No, you didn't because you couldn't. You modify some of your techniques, and the kid did eventually figure it out.

For some of the kids in these schools, they need a bit more work in nailing down these techniques. It's part of a spectrum, with some kids always being easy going and compliant, and some being far more challenging.

If some teachers, particularly those in the early elementary years, employ some of the techniques for managing disruptive behavior, these kids have a chance of learning how to better handle themselves. Same as a kid who has trouble with spelling can learn how to spell with extra intervention.

We all know that there are some kids that may not get better no matter how much intervention, but a huge portion of the population can improve.

Having said all that, I think that ALL school districts can a should look into providing more $$$ for aides. It can really make a difference, not only for the kid that needs extra help, but also for the rest of the class, by ensuring that normal classroom activity can continue without the disruptive behavior taking up too much of the teacher's time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher out of the DC area who has a student who can be disruptive. There's a lot of possible causes of why he disrupts, none of which makes me want to remove him from my classroom permanently.

When my student begins to be disruptive he gets a warning. Often I will send him on an errand, because that helps him reset. If it continues and starts to escalate, I give a signal to the class which tells them to leave the room. The students walk to a common area and sit down. That leaves me and the student alone in the room. There is a button that I can push which will send help if needed. Once he is calm, I get the rest of the students and we move on.

I have a behavior system (marble bucket) in the classroom for all students which helps. If he escalates to the point of hurting someone he has to sit in the office during electives, PE, or lunch.

He is showing a lot of growth compared to previous years, and is a great kid. He just can't handle himself sometimes. He's only gotten physical with me once, and that was because I went to hit the button to call the principal and he was trying to prevent me from doing so because he didn't want to go to the office.

Part of being employed at the school I work at (this is my first year) was receiving non violent intervention training (including how to escape holds/grabs) and PBIS training. I've quickly realized that DC/MD/VA's idea of PBIS is very different then here.

This is what I find utterly ridiculous. Hurting someone?? Hurting the teacher?? Yeah, but otherwise he is a great kid who LOVES school?

OP, with all due respect, do you have children? How would you feel if that 'great kid' hurt your child?

I don't know a single child who has never not once in their entire life hit, pushed, or bit someone.

He is a great kid. That's my job as a teacher - to look past the issues and all of the negative things in all of the kids (and even look past the spoiled brat in some of them) and see who they are underneath and foster that part of them. My job is not to give up on them and assume they'll never get it and focus only on the ones who do.

We're talking about an elementary aged kid. Think under the age of 8. When he's an adult, he will not have the chances that he has now. So, we need to try our best to educate him and give him the chance and skills and the ability to control himself. Giving up on him or isolating him will not give him that chance.

I'm involved, other teachers are involved, the school counselor is involved, the principal is involved. He goes to counseling outside of school. He has supervised visits with his biological mom (which may or may not be a good thing). It takes a village to raise a child.

You, my dear, sound like an ace teacher. This also sends a subtle but very powerful message to the rest of the kids...that all the children are valued by the teacher and not just the high achievers. Signed, mom of a highly gifted child who wants him to grow up kind, considerate and compassionate above all!

Thank you!

Amen!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:as long as you all continue to vaccinate, you'll have ever-increasing disruptions in your classrooms. 1 in 5 children have neurological disorders now. It's the aluminum and mercury, folks.

This has been disproven over and over again.

Stop spreading lies. Babies are dying because we have lost herd immunity due to those lies.

[Anonymous]

Send the disruptive child on an errand. I had a disruptive kid that I could not let out of my sight. I could never have sent her on an errand.