Have your children ever had an extremely disruptive child in elementary class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We had a similar problem and went to talk to the school VP - the VP said we were the 4th or 5th family to complain, so I guess we waited a while. The VP told us that the school isn't allowed to segregate these kids. And moving disruptive kids from one classroom to another doesn't solve the problem from the school's perspective. It just moves the problem around, to a different teacher and classroom, but doesn't get to whatever psychological or disciplinary root.

The only time they would contemplate moving a kid from one classroom to another would be for something he called a "sterilizing bounce" (gotta love it). This is in cases where the disruptive kid is feeding off kids in one classroom, so that moving the kid might take him or her away from peers who are egging him/her on.

And was this in a private or public school, -which county?- or would you think this is pretty much it, everywhere nowadays, the class and teachers just have to deal with it, for *years*?

[Anonymous]

DS had a kid in his class for several years that was out of control and abusive. This kid hit a teacher, attacked classmates, threatened classmates, etc. The parent was in total
denial and thought his/her kid's behavior was somehow the fault of teachers, the school, classmates, etc. The school got a new principal and asked parents and teachers to document everything. The kid was finally asked to leave. The sad thing is, this poor kid needed help and/or medication and the parent did nothing. Maybe that's not the case now, but this kid has been to several schools since being asked to leave our school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:as long as you all continue to vaccinate, you'll have ever-increasing disruptions in your classrooms. 1 in 5 children have neurological disorders now. It's the aluminum and mercury, folks.

LOL

[Anonymous]

My dc's private doesn't put up with discipline problems. My dc told me one year that "'Jimmy' doesn't listen." He mentioned this maybe twice. In December, dc told me that "'Jimmy' is going to a new school after Christmas." It was interesting, I don't think anyone at the school told the children that "Jimmy" was leaving because of his discipline problems, but the kids figured it out on their own. It made quite an impression on them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:as long as you all continue to vaccinate, you'll have ever-increasing disruptions in your classrooms. 1 in 5 children have neurological disorders now. It's the aluminum and mercury, folks.

LOL

Great idea! If we stop vaccinating we could really "thin the heard". By having lots of kids die off from different diseases it would really lessen the burden in the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My dc's private doesn't put up with discipline problems. My dc told me one year that "'Jimmy' doesn't listen." He mentioned this maybe twice. In December, dc told me that "'Jimmy' is going to a new school after Christmas." It was interesting, I don't think anyone at the school told the children that "Jimmy" was leaving because of his discipline problems, but the kids figured it out on their own. It made quite an impression on them.

I bet if Jimmy's daddy was a big donor it would have been a completely different story.

[Anonymous]

He was probably on a scholarship and the school did not feel that they need to work with the family since they weren't paying the bills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know what I wonder... all of these kids who are out of control, who have diagnoses, etc (mine included)... they are everywhere in such numbers.

Why? And where were these kids when we were little? Or is this environmental? Just pondering.

Poor parenting combined with crap food = out of control kids.

[Anonymous]

Yes. Fortunately the child was removed and placed in a more restrictive environment. I feel bad for the child -- clearly very disturbed, but I was glad to see him go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DS had a kid in his class for several years that was out of control and abusive. This kid hit a teacher, attacked classmates, threatened classmates, etc. The parent was in total
denial and thought his/her kid's behavior was somehow the fault of teachers, the school, classmates, etc. The school got a new principal and asked parents and teachers to document everything. The kid was finally asked to leave. The sad thing is, this poor kid needed help and/or medication and the parent did nothing. Maybe that's not the case now, but this kid has been to several schools since being asked to leave our school.

Was this at a public school?
At a public school the kids that need special education are forced to sit in a regular classroom, regardless of whether it is good for the kid or the class.
Very difficult to get a kid into special ed

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Do they still disruptive kids home when they misbehave at school?

[Anonymous]

There do seem to be more kids with problems, but there were plenty when I was growing up too. People always blamed the child though in those days verses the parents. As parent in a two income household having put my children in various preschools and daycare, I also believe most full day facilities just don't do a good enough job teaching children in the early years. I know two children who were put on ADHD drugs by age 5 in daycare and none from one income households.

[Anonymous]

17:58 here, this was at a public school and the child did not have an IEP, to my knowledge. The parent refused to believe the child had any issues, or needed help. So sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:17:58 here, this was at a public school and the child did not have an IEP, to my knowledge. The parent refused to believe the child had any issues, or needed help. So sad.

In some ways I agree with the parent
I would also not want my kid to be diagnosed by school staff. The kid will get labeled and it will follow him all the way to college applications

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There do seem to be more kids with problems, but there were plenty when I was growing up too. People always blamed the child though in those days verses the parents. As parent in a two income household having put my children in various preschools and daycare, I also believe most full day facilities just don't do a good enough job teaching children in the early years. I know two children who were put on ADHD drugs by age 5 in daycare and none from one income households.

But it's often not the parents' or school's fault (nor does it have to do with income level) - some kids show signs of ADHD very early and need medication to regulate themselves. The bottom line is that it shouldn't be so hard for a child with significant issues to get an IEP and proper placement/supports.