Why racial segregation is unacceptable but socioeconomic segregation is ok in private schools

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Anonymous wrote:I have never spent a day wondering why rich people chose a public school over a private school for their kids. But, apparently that's how some people spend their time. Wondering why people make choices for their kids.

No one is “wondering.” We know why you do it. And that’s why we don’t.

And yet here you are trying to tell people their decision is bad. Nobody asked. Do you just talk to yourself for fun?

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Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

That is why financial aid programs exist. Not sure what your beef is.

The top DC privates are not overrun with poor kids on financial aid and you know it.

Some of us would say so. Financial aid is extremely generous.

At Sidwell, 77 percent of student are full pay at $60k while the other 23 percent pay on average $20k. How “generous” is that? The average “poor” kid pays $20k a year for high school.

What a joke. These are rich kid schools. Full stop. And everyone knows it, including the kids. I did not want that for my own rich kids.

No one is making you send your kids to private schools. This seems like pages of absurdly obvious comments that gets extended by folks confirming the clear. Private schools are expensive and therefore exclusionary, but for financial aid. Hard stop. No one is under any kind of illusion that it's something different, it's that we are paying for a premium product because we think it's better and we can afford it. Nice restaurants don't offer financial aid and are filled with wealthy people. Is that equally problematic? I fly in business or first class...most don't. Is that an issue for you?

Wealthy people, rightly or wrongly but definitionally, can afford to purchase things that less wealthy folks cannot. Is that breaking news is some way?

Yes, but airlines or nice restaurants don’t print in their tickets or menus the label of social justice, so they are not deceiving anyone.

No idea why you think we care about social justice or socioeconomic equality.

This is just a school for our kids. We don’t care about that stuff. Move on.

But the schools you send your kids to pretend to. We prefer dealing with honest brokers.

We? So if you are a disgruntled private school parent leave. And if you aren't a private school family who cares? Fix your own broken school.

I’m not. I’m the rich poster who sent my kids to public. But I appreciate your honest feedback, because you and your attitude are exactly why I didn’t send my kids to private and it’s good to see my reasoning confirmed. But I guarantee you do not talk so bluntly when you’re not posting anonymously, hypocrite.

I went to public school. That was enough for me! I tell people who ask why I chose private school, I guess we haven't crossed paths yet. To each their own.

Same!

All 3 kids in my family are product of public schools through grad school. All 3 of us send our kids private.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

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Anonymous wrote:I have never spent a day wondering why rich people chose a public school over a private school for their kids. But, apparently that's how some people spend their time. Wondering why people make choices for their kids.

No one is “wondering.” We know why you do it. And that’s why we don’t.

And yet here you are trying to tell people their decision is bad. Nobody asked. Do you just talk to yourself for fun?

you’re not me. So I’m not talking to myself, right? You knew what this thread was about. Did you expect everyone on it to agree with you?

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Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

That is why financial aid programs exist. Not sure what your beef is.

The top DC privates are not overrun with poor kids on financial aid and you know it.

Some of us would say so. Financial aid is extremely generous.

At Sidwell, 77 percent of student are full pay at $60k while the other 23 percent pay on average $20k. How “generous” is that? The average “poor” kid pays $20k a year for high school.

What a joke. These are rich kid schools. Full stop. And everyone knows it, including the kids. I did not want that for my own rich kids.

No one is making you send your kids to private schools. This seems like pages of absurdly obvious comments that gets extended by folks confirming the clear. Private schools are expensive and therefore exclusionary, but for financial aid. Hard stop. No one is under any kind of illusion that it's something different, it's that we are paying for a premium product because we think it's better and we can afford it. Nice restaurants don't offer financial aid and are filled with wealthy people. Is that equally problematic? I fly in business or first class...most don't. Is that an issue for you?

Wealthy people, rightly or wrongly but definitionally, can afford to purchase things that less wealthy folks cannot. Is that breaking news is some way?

Yes, but airlines or nice restaurants don’t print in their tickets or menus the label of social justice, so they are not deceiving anyone.

No idea why you think we care about social justice or socioeconomic equality.

This is just a school for our kids. We don’t care about that stuff. Move on.

But the schools you send your kids to pretend to. We prefer dealing with honest brokers.

We? So if you are a disgruntled private school parent leave. And if you aren't a private school family who cares? Fix your own broken school.

I’m not. I’m the rich poster who sent my kids to public. But I appreciate your honest feedback, because you and your attitude are exactly why I didn’t send my kids to private and it’s good to see my reasoning confirmed. But I guarantee you do not talk so bluntly when you’re not posting anonymously, hypocrite.

I went to public school. That was enough for me! I tell people who ask why I chose private school, I guess we haven't crossed paths yet. To each their own.

Same!

All 3 kids in my family are product of public schools through grad school. All 3 of us send our kids private.

People think we don't know what we're missing out on. Unfortunately we know all too well. No need to put lipstick on this pig and call it "segregation".

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Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

That is why financial aid programs exist. Not sure what your beef is.

The top DC privates are not overrun with poor kids on financial aid and you know it.

Some of us would say so. Financial aid is extremely generous.

At Sidwell, 77 percent of student are full pay at $60k while the other 23 percent pay on average $20k. How “generous” is that? The average “poor” kid pays $20k a year for high school.

What a joke. These are rich kid schools. Full stop. And everyone knows it, including the kids. I did not want that for my own rich kids.

No one is making you send your kids to private schools. This seems like pages of absurdly obvious comments that gets extended by folks confirming the clear. Private schools are expensive and therefore exclusionary, but for financial aid. Hard stop. No one is under any kind of illusion that it's something different, it's that we are paying for a premium product because we think it's better and we can afford it. Nice restaurants don't offer financial aid and are filled with wealthy people. Is that equally problematic? I fly in business or first class...most don't. Is that an issue for you?

Wealthy people, rightly or wrongly but definitionally, can afford to purchase things that less wealthy folks cannot. Is that breaking news is some way?

Yes, but airlines or nice restaurants don’t print in their tickets or menus the label of social justice, so they are not deceiving anyone.

No idea why you think we care about social justice or socioeconomic equality.

This is just a school for our kids. We don’t care about that stuff. Move on.

But the schools you send your kids to pretend to. We prefer dealing with honest brokers.

We? So if you are a disgruntled private school parent leave. And if you aren't a private school family who cares? Fix your own broken school.

I’m not. I’m the rich poster who sent my kids to public. But I appreciate your honest feedback, because you and your attitude are exactly why I didn’t send my kids to private and it’s good to see my reasoning confirmed. But I guarantee you do not talk so bluntly when you’re not posting anonymously, hypocrite.

I went to public school. That was enough for me! I tell people who ask why I chose private school, I guess we haven't crossed paths yet. To each their own.

Same!

All 3 kids in my family are product of public schools through grad school. All 3 of us send our kids private.

Yes and we’re the opposite. For every one of you there’s one of us so that doesn’t say much.

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Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

That is why financial aid programs exist. Not sure what your beef is.

The top DC privates are not overrun with poor kids on financial aid and you know it.

Some of us would say so. Financial aid is extremely generous.

At Sidwell, 77 percent of student are full pay at $60k while the other 23 percent pay on average $20k. How “generous” is that? The average “poor” kid pays $20k a year for high school.

What a joke. These are rich kid schools. Full stop. And everyone knows it, including the kids. I did not want that for my own rich kids.

No one is making you send your kids to private schools. This seems like pages of absurdly obvious comments that gets extended by folks confirming the clear. Private schools are expensive and therefore exclusionary, but for financial aid. Hard stop. No one is under any kind of illusion that it's something different, it's that we are paying for a premium product because we think it's better and we can afford it. Nice restaurants don't offer financial aid and are filled with wealthy people. Is that equally problematic? I fly in business or first class...most don't. Is that an issue for you?

Wealthy people, rightly or wrongly but definitionally, can afford to purchase things that less wealthy folks cannot. Is that breaking news is some way?

Yes, but airlines or nice restaurants don’t print in their tickets or menus the label of social justice, so they are not deceiving anyone.

No idea why you think we care about social justice or socioeconomic equality.

This is just a school for our kids. We don’t care about that stuff. Move on.

But the schools you send your kids to pretend to. We prefer dealing with honest brokers.

My kids attend 2 different private school - I just reread their websites and mission statement- NOTHING about social justice. Maybe those are just the hippie dippie schools.

And you’re proud of that?

Nothing in my post says proud. We are not hypocrites. I don’t care if I choose to raise my kids in a bubble - why do you care so much how I raise my kids. We are NOT hypocrites and neither is our school.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never spent a day wondering why rich people chose a public school over a private school for their kids. But, apparently that's how some people spend their time. Wondering why people make choices for their kids.

No one is “wondering.” We know why you do it. And that’s why we don’t.

And yet here you are trying to tell people their decision is bad. Nobody asked. Do you just talk to yourself for fun?

you’re not me. So I’m not talking to myself, right? You knew what this thread was about. Did you expect everyone on it to agree with you?

I'm not making any arguments so what's your point? I'm perfectly fine with my decisions and see no need to justify them or explain them. I'm merely amused that people are all in here "do you even realize blah blah..." as if it matters.

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Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

That is why financial aid programs exist. Not sure what your beef is.

The top DC privates are not overrun with poor kids on financial aid and you know it.

Some of us would say so. Financial aid is extremely generous.

At Sidwell, 77 percent of student are full pay at $60k while the other 23 percent pay on average $20k. How “generous” is that? The average “poor” kid pays $20k a year for high school.

What a joke. These are rich kid schools. Full stop. And everyone knows it, including the kids. I did not want that for my own rich kids.

No one is making you send your kids to private schools. This seems like pages of absurdly obvious comments that gets extended by folks confirming the clear. Private schools are expensive and therefore exclusionary, but for financial aid. Hard stop. No one is under any kind of illusion that it's something different, it's that we are paying for a premium product because we think it's better and we can afford it. Nice restaurants don't offer financial aid and are filled with wealthy people. Is that equally problematic? I fly in business or first class...most don't. Is that an issue for you?

Wealthy people, rightly or wrongly but definitionally, can afford to purchase things that less wealthy folks cannot. Is that breaking news is some way?

Yes, but airlines or nice restaurants don’t print in their tickets or menus the label of social justice, so they are not deceiving anyone.

No idea why you think we care about social justice or socioeconomic equality.

This is just a school for our kids. We don’t care about that stuff. Move on.

But the schools you send your kids to pretend to. We prefer dealing with honest brokers.

We? So if you are a disgruntled private school parent leave. And if you aren't a private school family who cares? Fix your own broken school.

I’m not. I’m the rich poster who sent my kids to public. But I appreciate your honest feedback, because you and your attitude are exactly why I didn’t send my kids to private and it’s good to see my reasoning confirmed. But I guarantee you do not talk so bluntly when you’re not posting anonymously, hypocrite.

I went to public school. That was enough for me! I tell people who ask why I chose private school, I guess we haven't crossed paths yet. To each their own.

Same!

All 3 kids in my family are product of public schools through grad school. All 3 of us send our kids private.

Yes and we’re the opposite. For every one of you there’s one of us so that doesn’t say much.

Well, I'm another one with 3. What are you so worried about. The numbers are on your side, if you like your public school you can have it. Nobody is trying to take it from you. Please, keep it!

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Interesting but not thought out. Maybe if public schools also got as much funding per pupil as private schools, this might make sense. But then there wouldn’t be very many private schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. It seems that socioeconomic segregation is not a problem at all for most parents.

Why would it be? The bar to entry in private school is not high enough. We would like it to be more exclusive than it already is.

I’m from a city more competitive than DC for private school. Most selective have 2-5% admit rate, less selective top tier are just shy of 15%. I totally agree!! There is still a ton of bad behavior I’d like to eradicate - like prolific social media use and phones in general. I wish parents would band together and decide this.

You New Yorkers really think you’re such hot shit. If you’re all that, what are you doing on a DC website?

Not the poster but NYC private schools shit on DC private schools. Facts. And some of the public schools in NYC shit on all the private schools everywhere. There’s a lot of hot shit in NYC and it’s not even a swamp. Maybe DC could try to be more like NYC, at least with its public schools. It’d be some steamy shit.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

And MC is not wealthy. Many schools are too expensive for MC families. My youngest is a senior so I won’t be impacted, but I am thankful I could chose what I wanted for DC.

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Anonymous wrote:As a rich person myself I cannot stand private school parents. They absolutely positively think their kids are too special to go to school with kids without money and don’t think their kids can possibly learn something and be better off from the experience. It’s pathetic.

We are a wealthy and involved very active and caring family who put our kids in our supposedly excellent public. My son has gotten stabbed with a pencil, threatened by a kid with scissors, seen knives, threats of guns, physical violence, teachers, using F bombs and other dismissive commentary, 32 kids per class, had had things constantly stolen and is ignored and overlooked because the teachers are so overworked. Kids in ankle monitoring bands, and worse. We are heading to private. It’s our public school systems loss. Not ours.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way for private schools to be more economically diverse in this area to offer school vouchers so that any kid can go to any school they want and are capable of getting in. The vouchers would have to be enough to at least the tuition amount of the lowest private school. This program would force public schools to shape up their curriculum and quality if they want to stay open. Open competition is always a good thing.

Texas is starting this program next year and you can already see the MC families gaming the system to get their kids priority. Private school applications at my kids’ school was up 270% this year. Really it is taking money away from the public schools and sponsoring MC families to go to private school. My kid was already in private with ADHD - we have parents pay tuition so this is just a discount for already wealthy people. The politicians know this.

It's not taking money away, the money follows the kids. If the MC kid isn't there, the school doesn't get the money. The school that kid goes to gets instead. What's the problem?

Let me explain - I’ll make the math easy.

Say a public school gets 10k for a 10 kid class now. With the vouchers 5 of those public school kids go to private school and augment that 2x. The public school now has 5k and the private (now with 10k extra) can raise their tuition 7%, plus they still have large endowments to buy extras that the public school cannot afford. The private school kids get much much more, while the public schools suffer more. It’s really very simple.

It will pass legislation because people like me want the discount and people like you think you can get a better education. It’s already got my vote and my kids would be attending private anyway. So my tax money earmarked for a public school I don’t use is now going to subsidize my kid instead of yours.

Then public schools and right size and make it work. If they don't need as many schools and teachers they can figure it out, that doesn't mean they get to be half full whining about having to do with less. It's very simple. Consolidate the classrooms. It's not about the private schools getting more.