what is wrong with modern kids and no motivation to shovel?

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Anonymous wrote:The expectation of child labor seems like a lazy adult

They live in the house too. If your teen is inside online while his parents shovel, you have raised lazy children. That's on you. You're gonna hear all about that from their future wives.

Nice way to play dumb. There is a difference between expecting your kids to shovel their own drive vs. you, a total stranger, expecting my kids to shovel yours for below min. wage.

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Anonymous wrote:My twelve year old and his best friend have made $500 over the last two days. But, they haven’t been going door to door. They have been using the neighborhood list serv. There are lots of kids posting on there. Maybe you just aren’t seeing them because they are using new technology.

Nope, our listserv is desperate for people to shovel. Literally zero kids offering to shovel in our area.

Why do you want children to work for you? Hire adult workers like a normal person. Plenty of landscape companies make their winter money in snow removal.

I get hundreds of landscaping ads spring through fall, and 0 snow shoveling ads. I sure some guys are willing to do the job, but first, it's hard to travel in these conditions and that's why it's a "neighbor kid" job, and second, it's not a regular job, not even every year, so people don't have the business connections to make arrangements, and third, it's hard to make arrangements on short notice with short due date and not knowing how much work will be needed where and when.

Every HOA has a contract with private snow removal. These guys are not hard to find or to hire. You do have to plan ahead, but even if you're not willing to contract for the season, this storm was forecast more than a week out.

People don't want to plan, or pool funds with neighbors, or even advertise before or during the storm that they'd be willing to pay. And then they're mad when there isn't a local labor force knocking on their door asking for work

So tone deaf. Do you know how much is costs to have people shovel for you? Nope. Most people don't have that kind of money just sitting around. Get out of your HOA bubble.

DP. I'm sure it's more tone deaf to expect others to shovel your snow for free. If you don't have the money, you do it yourself. That's how it usually works in life.

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Anonymous wrote:They're not motivated because their parents buy them everything they want and ask for. They don't have the incentive to earn money, since mom and dad will get it anyway. Why do hard work?

This. And glued to screens

[Anonymous]

Shoveling snow isn't like a lot of jobs and it's so cold today. My teen got stopped by a neighbor while shoveling another house who asked him to do their house today. That house hasn't been shoveled at all, not Sunday, not Monday, and they gave him a crappy plastic shovel and no salt/de-icing agent and gave him 30$ to do a fairly large sidewalk, driveway and stairs. I can see him from our house chipping away slowly at the ice.

He came back to our house to get our metal shovel and our de-icing agent, and it's ok to me because they're neighbors (even if they're not very near neighbors), but some people just don't understand what is involved in getting rid of snow. 30$ isn't enough for a big house where they don't even have their own salt to de-ice in weather like this.

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My teen was doing homework. And it’s too physically taxing for them anyway. It’s really not safe for anyone to do it for risk of heart attacks.

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Anonymous wrote:They're not motivated because their parents buy them everything they want and ask for. They don't have the incentive to earn money, since mom and dad will get it anyway. Why do hard work?

This. And glued to screens

So, same as you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shoveling snow isn't like a lot of jobs and it's so cold today. My teen got stopped by a neighbor while shoveling another house who asked him to do their house today. That house hasn't been shoveled at all, not Sunday, not Monday, and they gave him a crappy plastic shovel and no salt/de-icing agent and gave him 30$ to do a fairly large sidewalk, driveway and stairs. I can see him from our house chipping away slowly at the ice.

He came back to our house to get our metal shovel and our de-icing agent, and it's ok to me because they're neighbors (even if they're not very near neighbors), but some people just don't understand what is involved in getting rid of snow. 30$ isn't enough for a big house where they don't even have their own salt to de-ice in weather like this.

It is rough today. If someone hasn't shoveled at all since the storm started Saturday/Sunday, I wouldn't be taking any new house jobs today to chip away at ice. My kid also did one such house today and it was enough. It took forever and wasn't worth the money in his opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:My twelve year old and his best friend have made $500 over the last two days. But, they haven’t been going door to door. They have been using the neighborhood list serv. There are lots of kids posting on there. Maybe you just aren’t seeing them because they are using new technology.

Nope, our listserv is desperate for people to shovel. Literally zero kids offering to shovel in our area.

Why do you want children to work for you? Hire adult workers like a normal person. Plenty of landscape companies make their winter money in snow removal.

I get hundreds of landscaping ads spring through fall, and 0 snow shoveling ads. I sure some guys are willing to do the job, but first, it's hard to travel in these conditions and that's why it's a "neighbor kid" job, and second, it's not a regular job, not even every year, so people don't have the business connections to make arrangements, and third, it's hard to make arrangements on short notice with short due date and not knowing how much work will be needed where and when.

Every HOA has a contract with private snow removal. These guys are not hard to find or to hire. You do have to plan ahead, but even if you're not willing to contract for the season, this storm was forecast more than a week out.

People don't want to plan, or pool funds with neighbors, or even advertise before or during the storm that they'd be willing to pay. And then they're mad when there isn't a local labor force knocking on their door asking for work

So tone deaf. Do you know how much is costs to have people shovel for you? Nope. Most people don't have that kind of money just sitting around. Get out of your HOA bubble.

LOL, yes, it costs more than OP is willing to pay.

If adult labor is too expensive, then you can't afford the service. Child labor is not the solution.

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Anonymous wrote:Shoveling snow isn't like a lot of jobs and it's so cold today. My teen got stopped by a neighbor while shoveling another house who asked him to do their house today. That house hasn't been shoveled at all, not Sunday, not Monday, and they gave him a crappy plastic shovel and no salt/de-icing agent and gave him 30$ to do a fairly large sidewalk, driveway and stairs. I can see him from our house chipping away slowly at the ice.

He came back to our house to get our metal shovel and our de-icing agent, and it's ok to me because they're neighbors (even if they're not very near neighbors), but some people just don't understand what is involved in getting rid of snow. 30$ isn't enough for a big house where they don't even have their own salt to de-ice in weather like this.

I would not let my kid do this, sorry. Return that $30 and save your back, kid.

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Anonymous wrote:My teen was doing homework. And it’s too physically taxing for them anyway. It’s really not safe for anyone to do it for risk of heart attacks.

OMG. It is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My teen was doing homework. And it’s too physically taxing for them anyway. It’s really not safe for anyone to do it for risk of heart attacks.

Lol! But you'll pay someone to do it. Screw them if they have a heart attack. My entire court was kids and teens and adults of all ages shoveling for the last two days. We will be back to it tomorrow and probably Thursday and Friday too. Nobody has died. You are soft and/or lazy.

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Anonymous wrote:My twelve year old and his best friend have made $500 over the last two days. But, they haven’t been going door to door. They have been using the neighborhood list serv. There are lots of kids posting on there. Maybe you just aren’t seeing them because they are using new technology.

Nope, our listserv is desperate for people to shovel. Literally zero kids offering to shovel in our area.

Why do you want children to work for you? Hire adult workers like a normal person. Plenty of landscape companies make their winter money in snow removal.

I get hundreds of landscaping ads spring through fall, and 0 snow shoveling ads. I sure some guys are willing to do the job, but first, it's hard to travel in these conditions and that's why it's a "neighbor kid" job, and second, it's not a regular job, not even every year, so people don't have the business connections to make arrangements, and third, it's hard to make arrangements on short notice with short due date and not knowing how much work will be needed where and when.

Every HOA has a contract with private snow removal. These guys are not hard to find or to hire. You do have to plan ahead, but even if you're not willing to contract for the season, this storm was forecast more than a week out.

People don't want to plan, or pool funds with neighbors, or even advertise before or during the storm that they'd be willing to pay. And then they're mad when there isn't a local labor force knocking on their door asking for work

So tone deaf. Do you know how much is costs to have people shovel for you? Nope. Most people don't have that kind of money just sitting around. Get out of your HOA bubble.

LOL, yes, it costs more than OP is willing to pay.

If adult labor is too expensive, then you can't afford the service. Child labor is not the solution.

Exactly. The only reason that OP is up in arms is because she doesn't want to pay a fair wage than any adult would require. She wants to stiff the kids and pay them a super low wage for back breaking work. She is sitting on her ass, calling teens who aren't willing to sustain injury lazy. Girl, get out there and do it yourself. You had weeks to prepare and line someone up. The lack of your preparation doesn't mean my 16 year old needs to break his back for your peanuts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My teen was doing homework. And it’s too physically taxing for them anyway. It’s really not safe for anyone to do it for risk of heart attacks.

Lol! But you'll pay someone to do it. Screw them if they have a heart attack. My entire court was kids and teens and adults of all ages shoveling for the last two days. We will be back to it tomorrow and probably Thursday and Friday too. Nobody has died. You are soft and/or lazy.

Go, shovel, be merry. Apparently, you got it all sorted out. What others are doing is none of your business.

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College age kids went out with a group of friends (6 in total) and shoveled Sunday/Monday. They each made over $250/day.

There weren't many other offering so they had to decline several jobs due to time/cold/difficulty.

If your kid wanted to, the money was sitting there.

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Anonymous wrote:College age kids went out with a group of friends (6 in total) and shoveled Sunday/Monday. They each made over $250/day.

There weren't many other offering so they had to decline several jobs due to time/cold/difficulty.

If your kid wanted to, the money was sitting there.

BS - the money is on the easy snow removal. This is hard work and maybe they were actually paid an appropriate wage by some homeowners, but the people complaining want to pay well below the market rate for some random "local kids". I know because I shoveled my long driveway myself over the course of 2 days.