2 found dead at Rob Reiner's house; possibly Rob and his wife

[Anonymous]

Depending on the illness, some people aren't even aware they are sick (anosognosia). Others have tried treatment and the medications have had horrendous side effects that are harder to live with than the symptoms of the illness.

The idea of getting treatment is a pretty complex thing in many cases. And chronic substance use often has a genetic component and also changes the brain - it isn't just about personal choice.

Since he first went to rehab at 15, that means there was a problem even younger.

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Anonymous wrote:Nick had 17 stays in rehab. Severely mentally ill and needed more than rehab support/interventions.

Why is rehab so ineffective? This isn't a matter of money or access. I have a brother like this too, I don't trust him and just hope he doesn't rage out like this some day.

It’s ineffective when people are only doing it out of force. Same as all therapy.

It has to be choice and the person wants to get help. Many mentally ill folks do not want to be on drugs and don't think they need drugs.

Then they need to be locked up and not free to harm others.

Oh sure! Snap! It's so easy to get someone locked up just in case they might do something someday. You clearly have no idea.

When there's a history of drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness, the person needs to be hospitalized longterm if that person refuses help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Depending on the illness, some people aren't even aware they are sick (anosognosia). Others have tried treatment and the medications have had horrendous side effects that are harder to live with than the symptoms of the illness.

The idea of getting treatment is a pretty complex thing in many cases. And chronic substance use often has a genetic component and also changes the brain - it isn't just about personal choice.

Since he first went to rehab at 15, that means there was a problem even younger.

It's a personal choice that first time though, and thats why even dabbling isn't ok.

[Anonymous]

They are Jewish and killed then first day of Jewish holidays

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Anonymous wrote:Nick had 17 stays in rehab. Severely mentally ill and needed more than rehab support/interventions.

Why is rehab so ineffective? This isn't a matter of money or access. I have a brother like this too, I don't trust him and just hope he doesn't rage out like this some day.

It’s ineffective when people are only doing it out of force. Same as all therapy.

It has to be choice and the person wants to get help. Many mentally ill folks do not want to be on drugs and don't think they need drugs.

Then they need to be locked up and not free to harm others.

Oh sure! Snap! It's so easy to get someone locked up just in case they might do something someday. You clearly have no idea.

When there's a history of drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness, the person needs to be hospitalized longterm if that person refuses help.

This is not easy to do. The family may have tried but it's very, very hard to institutionalize someone. I have personal experience with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Nick had 17 stays in rehab. Severely mentally ill and needed more than rehab support/interventions.

Why is rehab so ineffective? This isn't a matter of money or access. I have a brother like this too, I don't trust him and just hope he doesn't rage out like this some day.

It’s ineffective when people are only doing it out of force. Same as all therapy.

It has to be choice and the person wants to get help. Many mentally ill folks do not want to be on drugs and don't think they need drugs.

Then they need to be locked up and not free to harm others.

Oh sure! Snap! It's so easy to get someone locked up just in case they might do something someday. You clearly have no idea.

When there's a history of drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness, the person needs to be hospitalized longterm if that person refuses help.

It is virtually impossible to get someone locked up unless the explicitly threaten harm against themselves or others. If happens over and over that people tell the police that they will not harm anyone, the cops leave, and the person kills people later.

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Anonymous wrote:Nick had 17 stays in rehab. Severely mentally ill and needed more than rehab support/interventions.

Why is rehab so ineffective? This isn't a matter of money or access. I have a brother like this too, I don't trust him and just hope he doesn't rage out like this some day.

It’s ineffective when people are only doing it out of force. Same as all therapy.

It has to be choice and the person wants to get help. Many mentally ill folks do not want to be on drugs and don't think they need drugs.

Then they need to be locked up and not free to harm others.

Oh sure! Snap! It's so easy to get someone locked up just in case they might do something someday. You clearly have no idea.

When there's a history of drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness, the person needs to be hospitalized longterm if that person refuses help.

It is virtually impossible to get someone locked up unless the explicitly threaten harm against themselves or others. If happens over and over that people tell the police that they will not harm anyone, the cops leave, and the person kills people later.

Who exactly benefits from this insanity? Certainly not society.

[Anonymous]

He seemed like a super nice human. I wish this hadn’t happened. So many parts of my childhood were touched by his work. Huge loss.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Depending on the illness, some people aren't even aware they are sick (anosognosia). Others have tried treatment and the medications have had horrendous side effects that are harder to live with than the symptoms of the illness.

The idea of getting treatment is a pretty complex thing in many cases. And chronic substance use often has a genetic component and also changes the brain - it isn't just about personal choice.

Since he first went to rehab at 15, that means there was a problem even younger.

It's a personal choice that first time though, and thats why even dabbling isn't ok.

Then we should all take a firmer stance on all drugs but instead the people voted to legalize cannabis. People don't want to give up their drugs.

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Anonymous wrote:Nick had 17 stays in rehab. Severely mentally ill and needed more than rehab support/interventions.

Why is rehab so ineffective? This isn't a matter of money or access. I have a brother like this too, I don't trust him and just hope he doesn't rage out like this some day.

It’s ineffective when people are only doing it out of force. Same as all therapy.

It has to be choice and the person wants to get help. Many mentally ill folks do not want to be on drugs and don't think they need drugs.

Then they need to be locked up and not free to harm others.

Oh sure! Snap! It's so easy to get someone locked up just in case they might do something someday. You clearly have no idea.

When there's a history of drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness, the person needs to be hospitalized longterm if that person refuses help.

It is virtually impossible to get someone locked up unless the explicitly threaten harm against themselves or others. If happens over and over that people tell the police that they will not harm anyone, the cops leave, and the person kills people later.

Who exactly benefits from this insanity? Certainly not society.

The addicts and the mentally ill. They have rights and it's become impossible to take them away from them. The rest of us are at their mercy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nick had 17 stays in rehab. Severely mentally ill and needed more than rehab support/interventions.

Why is rehab so ineffective? This isn't a matter of money or access. I have a brother like this too, I don't trust him and just hope he doesn't rage out like this some day.

It’s ineffective when people are only doing it out of force. Same as all therapy.

It has to be choice and the person wants to get help. Many mentally ill folks do not want to be on drugs and don't think they need drugs.

Then they need to be locked up and not free to harm others.

Oh sure! Snap! It's so easy to get someone locked up just in case they might do something someday. You clearly have no idea.

When there's a history of drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness, the person needs to be hospitalized longterm if that person refuses help.

It is virtually impossible to get someone locked up unless the explicitly threaten harm against themselves or others. If happens over and over that people tell the police that they will not harm anyone, the cops leave, and the person kills people later.

Who exactly benefits from this insanity? Certainly not society.

People have a right to freedom. It would be kidnapping if you just put people away behind locked doors against their will. They have to be at imminent risk to harm themselves or others or completley unable to care for themselves before you can take their rights away. That is why many are against the ICE detainments. Snatching people off the street and locking them away isn't really the sign of a funcational society. There are places in the world where there are even fewer human rights and families can have a family member with a significant illness or disability locked away.

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Anonymous wrote:Nick had 17 stays in rehab. Severely mentally ill and needed more than rehab support/interventions.

Why is rehab so ineffective? This isn't a matter of money or access. I have a brother like this too, I don't trust him and just hope he doesn't rage out like this some day.

It’s ineffective when people are only doing it out of force. Same as all therapy.

It has to be choice and the person wants to get help. Many mentally ill folks do not want to be on drugs and don't think they need drugs.

Then they need to be locked up and not free to harm others.

Oh sure! Snap! It's so easy to get someone locked up just in case they might do something someday. You clearly have no idea.

When there's a history of drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness, the person needs to be hospitalized longterm if that person refuses help.

It is virtually impossible to get someone locked up unless the explicitly threaten harm against themselves or others. If happens over and over that people tell the police that they will not harm anyone, the cops leave, and the person kills people later.

Who exactly benefits from this insanity? Certainly not society.

The addicts and the mentally ill. They have rights and it's become impossible to take them away from them. The rest of us are at their mercy.

Who is taking away our rights to be safe? Think about that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Depending on the illness, some people aren't even aware they are sick (anosognosia). Others have tried treatment and the medications have had horrendous side effects that are harder to live with than the symptoms of the illness.

The idea of getting treatment is a pretty complex thing in many cases. And chronic substance use often has a genetic component and also changes the brain - it isn't just about personal choice.

Since he first went to rehab at 15, that means there was a problem even younger.

It's a personal choice that first time though, and thats why even dabbling isn't ok.

And to a teen, what does that even mean? They don't have a sense of life long consequences at that age. Dabbling and experimenting with tobacco, alcohol, marijuana, other drugs has been part of adolescence since those drugs were available. And for the majority of people it doesn't become a life long issue.

Did you make that personal choice to never use any drug, inlcuding alcohol? Most people who make that choice in adolescence do so either for religious reasons or due to having family members with addiction where they have experience beyond their age as to the detrimental effects. If you asked posters how many have never tried any addictive substance - it would be a very low percent.

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Anonymous wrote:Nick had 17 stays in rehab. Severely mentally ill and needed more than rehab support/interventions.

Why is rehab so ineffective? This isn't a matter of money or access. I have a brother like this too, I don't trust him and just hope he doesn't rage out like this some day.

It’s ineffective when people are only doing it out of force. Same as all therapy.

It has to be choice and the person wants to get help. Many mentally ill folks do not want to be on drugs and don't think they need drugs.

Then they need to be locked up and not free to harm others.

Oh sure! Snap! It's so easy to get someone locked up just in case they might do something someday. You clearly have no idea.

When there's a history of drug/alcohol addiction and mental illness, the person needs to be hospitalized longterm if that person refuses help.

It is virtually impossible to get someone locked up unless the explicitly threaten harm against themselves or others. If happens over and over that people tell the police that they will not harm anyone, the cops leave, and the person kills people later.

Who exactly benefits from this insanity? Certainly not society.

The addicts and the mentally ill. They have rights and it's become impossible to take them away from them. The rest of us are at their mercy.

Prisons are filled to the brim with the mentally ill. They have to be caught committing an actual crime first.

[Anonymous]

Isn’t every criminal mentally ill? Healthy people aren’t evil.