Tulane bans HS from ED for 1 year after student backs out

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those schools should switch to common app. Common app doesn’t allow more than one ED.

I love ED and hope it lasts at least long enough for my second child! It’s a great option for kids not wanting to play the field. DD had a very realistic first choice and wanted an answer as soon as possible. It was great.

Oh, Common App is very easy to get around. You apply apply EA via the Common App and then just switch your "Decision Round" to ED in the school's portal. As you long as you can get a school counselor to sign the form, there is zero limit to the number of schools you can apply ED to.

Well that’s on the counselor then. I highly doubt a public school counselor such as our would allow it. Regardless, we used ED as intended and it worked beautifully for us. I’m so tired of upper middle class whiners claiming that ED won’t let them shop merit aid. Boo-effing-hoo. Kids with true need do fine in ED. Use the NPC and apply places you can afford. You’ll live.

+1

Why do some parents still not get this? T20 schools give little to no merit aid. Period. Use the NPC. If you cannot afford, move on and focus on public in-state universities or the schools that do give merit aid.

We ran this calculator when DS was born and now facing the actual cost, it turned out to be pretty damn accurate. We knew that if we wanted him to be able to attend an Ivy, we would need to save agressively. There is no way we would be able to afford a private college on our salaries if we had not planned ahead and saved. I have zero patience for upper-middle class parents who claim they are blindsided by the cost of college and they start whining about ED being unfair. https://vanguardcollege.ssnc.cloud/csp.php

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If you can not afford a school with ED, its package wont change for EA/RD. You still wont be able to afford it.
What they really want is "If my kid doesn't get a great merit package to something in the 20-50 range at a school we deem good enough, then I will figure out how to pay for the T20, but we want the opportunity to wait and decide".
Otherwise, they still wont be going to the ED choice.

ED works well. You run the NPC and decide "yes I can affrod it" or "no I cannot afford it"
Then apply accordingly. Everyone can do ED if they want. But merit ain't coming from most T25 schools if that is what you need.

Bingo. This is exactly what they are complaining about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or you could be like my sister in law who spent every last dollar they made and now because BIL was laid off their kids will get a full ride. Didn’t save a dollar and were rewarded.

You too could choose to take that risk.

I don't recommend it but it's an available choice for everyone.

Yep. Broke and unemployed is one strategy.

[Anonymous]

The issue is the system pressures kids, and they are still kids, into making a "binding" decision.
Its a total bait and switch for a very large percentage of the students who apply ED.
Throughout their sophomore and junior year they are told it is only for those who have a clear first choice and would be happy to attend. Then when senior year roles around they are told instead that it is the path for some schools (Tulane is one of those who admits almost no regular decision candidates) and that its actually their best chance way to lock in one of their target schools and they should commit and give up on their reach/dream schools.
Yes, it works out for some, but others end up with regrets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue is the system pressures kids, and they are still kids, into making a "binding" decision.
Its a total bait and switch for a very large percentage of the students who apply ED.
Throughout their sophomore and junior year they are told it is only for those who have a clear first choice and would be happy to attend. Then when senior year roles around they are told instead that it is the path for some schools (Tulane is one of those who admits almost no regular decision candidates) and that its actually their best chance way to lock in one of their target schools and they should commit and give up on their reach/dream schools.
Yes, it works out for some, but others end up with regrets.

The system is not pressuring the kids. Their parents are pressuring them. My kid felt zero pressure to ED. Zero. In fact we repeatedly told her she didn’t need to, and she chose to because she had a clear first choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those schools should switch to common app. Common app doesn’t allow more than one ED.

I love ED and hope it lasts at least long enough for my second child! It’s a great option for kids not wanting to play the field. DD had a very realistic first choice and wanted an answer as soon as possible. It was great.

Oh, Common App is very easy to get around. You apply apply EA via the Common App and then just switch your "Decision Round" to ED in the school's portal. As you long as you can get a school counselor to sign the form, there is zero limit to the number of schools you can apply ED to.

Well that’s on the counselor then. I highly doubt a public school counselor such as our would allow it. Regardless, we used ED as intended and it worked beautifully for us. I’m so tired of upper middle class whiners claiming that ED won’t let them shop merit aid. Boo-effing-hoo. Kids with true need do fine in ED. Use the NPC and apply places you can afford. You’ll live.

Oh you’re a gem.

yeah, an ethical "gem" who follows the rules and expects others to as well.

If you want to merit chase, then ED is not for you. Don't do it. If you are willing to pay the NPC then ED and hope. But you don't get to do both.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The counselor, student, and parents signed a binding agreement.

Not legally binding

Unethical

I agree that it is unethical. The ED system is also unethical.

How?

ED is simply, if you have a top choice and are willing to accept the NPC, you can apply.
If you cannot pay the NPC, then well you don't apply. The school still wont be affordable in RD/EA, so it's simply a school you cannot afford.

That is okay, there are many things in live you cannot afford, and you simply purchase something you can afford (cars, homes, food, clothing, etc)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is the system pressures kids, and they are still kids, into making a "binding" decision.
Its a total bait and switch for a very large percentage of the students who apply ED.
Throughout their sophomore and junior year they are told it is only for those who have a clear first choice and would be happy to attend. Then when senior year roles around they are told instead that it is the path for some schools (Tulane is one of those who admits almost no regular decision candidates) and that its actually their best chance way to lock in one of their target schools and they should commit and give up on their reach/dream schools.
Yes, it works out for some, but others end up with regrets.

The system is not pressuring the kids. Their parents are pressuring them. My kid felt zero pressure to ED. Zero. In fact we repeatedly told her she didn’t need to, and she chose to because she had a clear first choice.

17 year olds still understand the difference in acceptance rates. That’s the system and that’s why they feel pressure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can hold two thoughts in my head at once. I can recognize that people should honor their ED commitments, and I can recognize that colleges are the ones who gain the most by filling a significant % of the class through ED. The vast majority of students do not benefit from this system.

Why yes, schools are businesses. They need to fill their freshman class with X students, not X minus Y, not X plus Z. Going over or under has bad results for the school. So of course they will do their best to hit X exactly. ED helps them do that. It helps to fill their class with students who actually want to attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is the system pressures kids, and they are still kids, into making a "binding" decision.
Its a total bait and switch for a very large percentage of the students who apply ED.
Throughout their sophomore and junior year they are told it is only for those who have a clear first choice and would be happy to attend. Then when senior year roles around they are told instead that it is the path for some schools (Tulane is one of those who admits almost no regular decision candidates) and that its actually their best chance way to lock in one of their target schools and they should commit and give up on their reach/dream schools.
Yes, it works out for some, but others end up with regrets.

The system is not pressuring the kids. Their parents are pressuring them. My kid felt zero pressure to ED. Zero. In fact we repeatedly told her she didn’t need to, and she chose to because she had a clear first choice.

17 year olds still understand the difference in acceptance rates. That’s the system and that’s why they feel pressure.

Whine. Whine. Whine. Your POOR child! However will they cope???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can hold two thoughts in my head at once. I can recognize that people should honor their ED commitments, and I can recognize that colleges are the ones who gain the most by filling a significant % of the class through ED. The vast majority of students do not benefit from this system.

Majority of students also don't benefit from financial aid and don't benefit from having hooks. Should schools eliminate all these? ED is fine, just like giving needy families financial aid is fine. No system is fair to everyone. I cannot afford a Maserati or Porsche and am totally at peace with my inability.

+1000

If you cannot afford a school, you look for ones you can. If you need to "merit search" and compare, then ED isn't for you. Just like if you cannot afford to pay $80K+ for a vehicle, you don't, you buy a Toyota or Honda for $40-50K and live your life.
Not sure where people get the ideal they are entitled to a certain college for free

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is the system pressures kids, and they are still kids, into making a "binding" decision.
Its a total bait and switch for a very large percentage of the students who apply ED.
Throughout their sophomore and junior year they are told it is only for those who have a clear first choice and would be happy to attend. Then when senior year roles around they are told instead that it is the path for some schools (Tulane is one of those who admits almost no regular decision candidates) and that its actually their best chance way to lock in one of their target schools and they should commit and give up on their reach/dream schools.
Yes, it works out for some, but others end up with regrets.

The system is not pressuring the kids. Their parents are pressuring them. My kid felt zero pressure to ED. Zero. In fact we repeatedly told her she didn’t need to, and she chose to because she had a clear first choice.

17 year olds still understand the difference in acceptance rates. That’s the system and that’s why they feel pressure.

The parents are the ones applying the pressure that the school must be of a certain rank or the child has failed. That is coming from the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue is the system pressures kids, and they are still kids, into making a "binding" decision.
Its a total bait and switch for a very large percentage of the students who apply ED.
Throughout their sophomore and junior year they are told it is only for those who have a clear first choice and would be happy to attend. Then when senior year roles around they are told instead that it is the path for some schools (Tulane is one of those who admits almost no regular decision candidates) and that its actually their best chance way to lock in one of their target schools and they should commit and give up on their reach/dream schools.
Yes, it works out for some, but others end up with regrets.

The system is not pressuring the kids. Their parents are pressuring them. My kid felt zero pressure to ED. Zero. In fact we repeatedly told her she didn’t need to, and she chose to because she had a clear first choice.

17 year olds still understand the difference in acceptance rates. That’s the system and that’s why they feel pressure.

Whine. Whine. Whine. Your POOR child! However will they cope???

The PP said parents apply pressure, not the system. I explained why she was wrong. Are actually an adult? It’s difficult to tell with your response.

[Anonymous]

I really don’t buy the idea that ED pressures kids. All it does is make them have to make a college decision earlier. Eventually you have to make a choice. You can only go to one college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can hold two thoughts in my head at once. I can recognize that people should honor their ED commitments, and I can recognize that colleges are the ones who gain the most by filling a significant % of the class through ED. The vast majority of students do not benefit from this system.

Majority of students also don't benefit from financial aid and don't benefit from having hooks. Should schools eliminate all these? ED is fine, just like giving needy families financial aid is fine. No system is fair to everyone. I cannot afford a Maserati or Porsche and am totally at peace with my inability.

+1. DD used her ED at a public flagship because won’t get any need based aid. I am 100% ok with that. Stop the whining. Your rich snowflake will be ok.

Lots of people don’t have state flagships at the level of UVA, Michigan, Berkeley, UNC, etc. I think most people are savvy and knowledgeable enough to know that merit aid is rare in the T-20 range. They want to be able to shop around in the tier below

Well by definition, if you want to "shop around in the tier below" you cannot do ED. It is a choice, you get to choose, but you don't get to ED and "shop around". That's what RD/EA are for. SO you get to use that choice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can hold two thoughts in my head at once. I can recognize that people should honor their ED commitments, and I can recognize that colleges are the ones who gain the most by filling a significant % of the class through ED. The vast majority of students do not benefit from this system.

Majority of students also don't benefit from financial aid and don't benefit from having hooks. Should schools eliminate all these? ED is fine, just like giving needy families financial aid is fine. No system is fair to everyone. I cannot afford a Maserati or Porsche and am totally at peace with my inability.

+1. DD used her ED at a public flagship because won’t get any need based aid. I am 100% ok with that. Stop the whining. Your rich snowflake will be ok.

Translation: ED worked for my kid so I refuse to use critical thinking skills to consider whether it is a good system overall.

No. ED works for everyone capable of understanding it. You run the NPC, decide if you can/are willing to pay that price. If YES, then you can ED. If NO (or you want to shop around for more merit or other optioins), then you don't ED. Quite simple.

But it's available to everyone! You just don't like the rules (ie that you have to pay the NPC the school expects---same NPC as RD/EA for your family as well)