Gender Ratios are so lop-sided? What is going on?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.


There are plenty of great men to look up to... Pete Buttigieg is an exemplary man. He is honest, smart and successful.

Yes there are fewer men in power who are good role models. But that is because they are greedy, show no empathy and are liars. They did it to themselves, they chose to not have honor and integrity. perhaps boy need to look at some women for great role models...Dolly Parton and Mackenzie Scott


You can’t come up with one straight man for a boy to look up too? You don’t think this might be a problem?


DP. Do you children really have no people in their actual, physical lives who they can look to as models of fulfilled adulthood? If not, this is a bigger problem.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.


There are plenty of great men to look up to... Pete Buttigieg is an exemplary man. He is honest, smart and successful.

Yes there are fewer men in power who are good role models. But that is because they are greedy, show no empathy and are liars. They did it to themselves, they chose to not have honor and integrity. perhaps boy need to look at some women for great role models...Dolly Parton and Mackenzie Scott


You can’t come up with one straight man for a boy to look up too? You don’t think this might be a problem?

There’s more to Pete Buttigieg than him being gay. Concerning that that’s your first “concern”


I have a great deal of affection for gay men, but my daughter doesn’t want to marry one.

That…doesn’t matter.
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Tulane freshman class:
Boys
12289 applicants
1830 acceptances
685 matriculating

Girls
20314 applicants
2728 acceptances
1153 matriculating

Close to 2x ratio matriculating.
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Anonymous wrote:I will toss this into the ring as a factor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/07/opinion/men-fiction-novels.html

With the rise of the youth sports industrial complex and the often bro-y, toxic atmosphere this can involve (yes I have a son who does it), are fewer men engaging in the arts and liberal arts generally and what does that mean for them and for society? Many more boys want to major in STEM or business or finance. This could also be tied to men feeling pressure to be breadwinners and realizing these creative fields may not be ultimately lucrative.


It could also be that the arts and liberal arts are dominated by viewpoints that young men are less likely to agree with. Young men are more likely to be conservative, and conservative professors are rare in the humanities these days.

Conservative professors are rare. That’s what happens when you think any opinion that isn’t your own is “indoctrination.”
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My DS with a strong record has decided he'll prioritize attendance at college that's at least a 45-55 boy-girl split or 50-50.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.


There are plenty of great men to look up to... Pete Buttigieg is an exemplary man. He is honest, smart and successful.

Yes there are fewer men in power who are good role models. But that is because they are greedy, show no empathy and are liars. They did it to themselves, they chose to not have honor and integrity. perhaps boy need to look at some women for great role models...Dolly Parton and Mackenzie Scott


You can’t come up with one straight man for a boy to look up too? You don’t think this might be a problem?

There’s more to Pete Buttigieg than him being gay. Concerning that that’s your first “concern”


I have a great deal of affection for gay men, but my daughter doesn’t want to marry one.


I will consider the job done when one's highest aspiration for one's daughter isn't that she get married. Not married to a successful man, not married AT ALL. Nice if it happens, of course. But not a life goal.


I love my job, but my deepest sense of joy comes from my children and my husband and the family we have created. I want the same thing for my son and my daughter.

My purpose in life is not to create wealth for my employer. My highest aspiration for my children is not for them to exist to create wealth for their employers. I like what I do, and I hope they find work that they enjoy as well, but it is not where I find meaning in life.

And to get back on topic, I think we as a society have lost the framework to show our boys how to find their purpose and find meaning in their lives. We’ve abandoned them to games and porn and the mindless pursuit of nothingness.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Tulane freshman class:
Boys
12289 applicants
1830 acceptances
685 matriculating

Girls
20314 applicants
2728 acceptances
1153 matriculating

Close to 2x ratio matriculating.


That's wild. And interesting to see that it's more an issue of far fewer applications from boys, rather than a lower acceptance rate for them. What is it about Tulare that turns off young men?
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Yes! Pete Buttigieg is a great role model for young men

Educated, thinks before he speaks, shows empathy, has career success, found a life partner, appears to be a great father, veteran, man of faith and humble

Wow

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The problem of lost young will only get worse if AI takes over STEM jobs, which is what seems most likely. Jobs that have objective processes and answers will go first and these are the jobs that attract men. If you think we have a problem now, just wait.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.


There are plenty of great men to look up to... Pete Buttigieg is an exemplary man. He is honest, smart and successful.

Yes there are fewer men in power who are good role models. But that is because they are greedy, show no empathy and are liars. They did it to themselves, they chose to not have honor and integrity. perhaps boy need to look at some women for great role models...Dolly Parton and Mackenzie Scott


You can’t come up with one straight man for a boy to look up too? You don’t think this might be a problem?

There’s more to Pete Buttigieg than him being gay. Concerning that that’s your first “concern”


I have a great deal of affection for gay men, but my daughter doesn’t want to marry one.


I will consider the job done when one's highest aspiration for one's daughter isn't that she get married. Not married to a successful man, not married AT ALL. Nice if it happens, of course. But not a life goal.


I love my job, but my deepest sense of joy comes from my children and my husband and the family we have created. I want the same thing for my son and my daughter.

My purpose in life is not to create wealth for my employer. My highest aspiration for my children is not for them to exist to create wealth for their employers. I like what I do, and I hope they find work that they enjoy as well, but it is not where I find meaning in life.

And to get back on topic, I think we as a society have lost the framework to show our boys how to find their purpose and find meaning in their lives. We’ve abandoned them to games and porn and the mindless pursuit of nothingness.

You can do all of that without urging your daughter to be a slut.

Same for the boys. They don’t need to prioritize sexualizimg women.


Wtf?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I will toss this into the ring as a factor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/07/opinion/men-fiction-novels.html

With the rise of the youth sports industrial complex and the often bro-y, toxic atmosphere this can involve (yes I have a son who does it), are fewer men engaging in the arts and liberal arts generally and what does that mean for them and for society? Many more boys want to major in STEM or business or finance. This could also be tied to men feeling pressure to be breadwinners and realizing these creative fields may not be ultimately lucrative.


It could also be that the arts and liberal arts are dominated by viewpoints that young men are less likely to agree with. Young men are more likely to be conservative, and conservative professors are rare in the humanities these days.


Is it that they don’t agree with them, or that they’ve conditioned to be afraid to associate with anything that doesn’t conform to traditional notions of masculinity? Like preferring reading books or drawing over playing sports— at best, they get side eyed from grandpa; at worst, they’ll get the crap beaten out of them in certain places.
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The Siren Song of the Internet

Zach Rausch and I have constructed a timeline of the digital revolution and shown how at every step—from the first personal computers in the 1970s through the early internet in the 1990s and the rise of online multiplayer games in the 2000s—the virtual world sent out a siren song that sounded sweeter, on average, to boys than it did to girls.

Why? Among the most consistent and largest of all psychological sex differences is the “people vs. things” dichotomy. On average, boys are more attracted to things, machines, and complex systems that can be manipulated, while girls are more attracted to people; they are more interested in what those people are thinking and feeling.

So, in the early phases of the technological entertainment revolution, boys invested more and more of their time into computers, computer programming, and video games. It was only when social media became popular in the late 2000s that girls flocked over to the virtual world and began spending as much time as boys interacting with computers and smartphones.

The virtual world was magical for many boys. In addition to letting them interact with new gadgets, it also enabled them to do—safely—the sorts of things they find extremely exciting but not available in real life: for example, jumping out of planes and parachuting into a jungle war zone where they meet up with a few friends to battle other groups of friends to the (virtual) death.

Just as video games became more finely tuned to boys’ greater propensity for coalitional competition, the real world, and especially school, got more frustrating for many boys: shorter recess, bans on rough and tumble play, and ever more emphasis on sitting still and listening.

To understand what has happened to the mental health of boys and young men, we must begin our analysis long before the early 2010s, and then we must use a “push-pull” analysis. In other words, what were the factors pushing them away from investing in real-world pursuits? And what were the factors pulling them into the virtual world?

Boys are in trouble. Many have withdrawn from the real world, where they could develop the skills needed to become competent, successful, and loving men. Instead, many have been lured into an ever more appealing virtual world in which desires for adventure and for sex can be satisfied, at least superficially, without doing anything that would prepare them for later success in work, love, and marriage.

And all of this withdrawal happened before the arrival of the metaverse, which is just now taking shape, and before the arrival of increasingly compelling, witty, attractive, and customizable AI girlfriends. The virtual world is becoming ever more immersive and addictive. Every year it will pull harder and harder on boys, urging them to abandon the real world. We’ve got to make the real world more appealing for them.

https://www.thefp.com/p/jonathan-haidt-worried-about-the-boys-too
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Anonymous wrote:My DD has gone on several tours where the gender ratio is almost 2/3 female to male (BU was a recent one that our tour guide said was close to that). What is going on? [/b]Why aren't colleges at least trying to balance things a bit? [b]My daughter feels like it will be a weird atmosphere for her when it's so female-heavy. She doesn't just want to go to school with guys who got in through recruited sports. She wants to go to college with smart, goal-oriented men.


You want DEI for boys?


our NYC private HS balances gender for incoming class. no one has a problem with it. our kids want even amounts of girls to boys. it makes for a more healthy school environment IMO rather than having too much of any one gender dominating the class.

That’s fine, but it’s still DEI for men.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.


Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?


The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.


Can you provide some examples of this? I have never seen him speak with those who disagreed with him in any way that I would find admirable.





This is a really sad video. “I think you exhibit sinful behavior and you shouldn’t tell people who you are, but WELCOME! Just don’t bring up being gay (Kirk brings up being Christian constantly) and we’ll get along.


Why are you lying? Did you think no one would call you out? He in NO WAY said any of the bolded. He said he didn’t think *anyone* should lead with what sexuality they are - it’s irrelevant and he pointed out that the young man was a complete person, which he is. Then he said from a Christian perspective, he doesn’t agree with a gay lifestyle, but that in NO way should what we do in the bedroom be a relevant talking point. And then he welcomed him to the conservative movement.

Honestly, why are liberals such liars?

“ Did you think no one would call you out? “
No where did I make it sound like I’m Afraid to or won’t engage with you. Call me out all you wish, that’s the point of the forum format.

As a conservative Christian, Charlie Kirk believes homosexuality is a sin. You gonna argue with me now that Kirk was a United Church of Christ member and doesn’t care at all about people being queer? The young man is asking, because many conservatives have much more extreme beliefs about gay people, and it’d be nice to hear something beyond “don’t talk about your sexuality.”

“ Honestly, why are liberals such liars?”
Why are conservatives so obsessed with the idea that they are the only ones with access to the truth?


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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.


There are plenty of great men to look up to... Pete Buttigieg is an exemplary man. He is honest, smart and successful.

Yes there are fewer men in power who are good role models. But that is because they are greedy, show no empathy and are liars. They did it to themselves, they chose to not have honor and integrity. perhaps boy need to look at some women for great role models...Dolly Parton and Mackenzie Scott


You can’t come up with one straight man for a boy to look up too? You don’t think this might be a problem?

There’s more to Pete Buttigieg than him being gay. Concerning that that’s your first “concern”


I have a great deal of affection for gay men, but my daughter doesn’t want to marry one.


I will consider the job done when one's highest aspiration for one's daughter isn't that she get married. Not married to a successful man, not married AT ALL. Nice if it happens, of course. But not a life goal.


I love my job, but my deepest sense of joy comes from my children and my husband and the family we have created. I want the same thing for my son and my daughter.

My purpose in life is not to create wealth for my employer. My highest aspiration for my children is not for them to exist to create wealth for their employers. I like what I do, and I hope they find work that they enjoy as well, but it is not where I find meaning in life.

And to get back on topic, I think we as a society have lost the framework to show our boys how to find their purpose and find meaning in their lives. We’ve abandoned them to games and porn and the mindless pursuit of nothingness.


I'm the poster you're responding to and I completely agree that finding purpose should be the goal we have for our children. (I definitely did not say anything about my purpose being my job!) It's when we present "marriage and children" as the be-all end-all of purpose that I despair. I saw my mother-- who should have been a researcher lording over a laboratory-- trying to cram herself into the wife-and-mother box, and I have this profound loathing of prescribed gender roles, because not only was she miserable, she made us miserable too.

Have you read The Geography of Bliss? It's an entertaining read, but also, there are some through-lines that show what makes a genuinely happy society. gender defined roles ain't it.
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