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DP. Do you children really have no people in their actual, physical lives who they can look to as models of fulfilled adulthood? If not, this is a bigger problem. |
That…doesn’t matter. |
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Tulane freshman class:
Boys 12289 applicants 1830 acceptances 685 matriculating Girls 20314 applicants 2728 acceptances 1153 matriculating Close to 2x ratio matriculating. |
Conservative professors are rare. That’s what happens when you think any opinion that isn’t your own is “indoctrination.” |
| My DS with a strong record has decided he'll prioritize attendance at college that's at least a 45-55 boy-girl split or 50-50. |
I love my job, but my deepest sense of joy comes from my children and my husband and the family we have created. I want the same thing for my son and my daughter. My purpose in life is not to create wealth for my employer. My highest aspiration for my children is not for them to exist to create wealth for their employers. I like what I do, and I hope they find work that they enjoy as well, but it is not where I find meaning in life. And to get back on topic, I think we as a society have lost the framework to show our boys how to find their purpose and find meaning in their lives. We’ve abandoned them to games and porn and the mindless pursuit of nothingness. |
That's wild. And interesting to see that it's more an issue of far fewer applications from boys, rather than a lower acceptance rate for them. What is it about Tulare that turns off young men? |
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Yes! Pete Buttigieg is a great role model for young men
Educated, thinks before he speaks, shows empathy, has career success, found a life partner, appears to be a great father, veteran, man of faith and humble Wow |
| The problem of lost young will only get worse if AI takes over STEM jobs, which is what seems most likely. Jobs that have objective processes and answers will go first and these are the jobs that attract men. If you think we have a problem now, just wait. |
Wtf? |
Is it that they don’t agree with them, or that they’ve conditioned to be afraid to associate with anything that doesn’t conform to traditional notions of masculinity? Like preferring reading books or drawing over playing sports— at best, they get side eyed from grandpa; at worst, they’ll get the crap beaten out of them in certain places. |
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The Siren Song of the Internet
Zach Rausch and I have constructed a timeline of the digital revolution and shown how at every step—from the first personal computers in the 1970s through the early internet in the 1990s and the rise of online multiplayer games in the 2000s—the virtual world sent out a siren song that sounded sweeter, on average, to boys than it did to girls. Why? Among the most consistent and largest of all psychological sex differences is the “people vs. things” dichotomy. On average, boys are more attracted to things, machines, and complex systems that can be manipulated, while girls are more attracted to people; they are more interested in what those people are thinking and feeling. So, in the early phases of the technological entertainment revolution, boys invested more and more of their time into computers, computer programming, and video games. It was only when social media became popular in the late 2000s that girls flocked over to the virtual world and began spending as much time as boys interacting with computers and smartphones. The virtual world was magical for many boys. In addition to letting them interact with new gadgets, it also enabled them to do—safely—the sorts of things they find extremely exciting but not available in real life: for example, jumping out of planes and parachuting into a jungle war zone where they meet up with a few friends to battle other groups of friends to the (virtual) death. Just as video games became more finely tuned to boys’ greater propensity for coalitional competition, the real world, and especially school, got more frustrating for many boys: shorter recess, bans on rough and tumble play, and ever more emphasis on sitting still and listening. To understand what has happened to the mental health of boys and young men, we must begin our analysis long before the early 2010s, and then we must use a “push-pull” analysis. In other words, what were the factors pushing them away from investing in real-world pursuits? And what were the factors pulling them into the virtual world? Boys are in trouble. Many have withdrawn from the real world, where they could develop the skills needed to become competent, successful, and loving men. Instead, many have been lured into an ever more appealing virtual world in which desires for adventure and for sex can be satisfied, at least superficially, without doing anything that would prepare them for later success in work, love, and marriage. And all of this withdrawal happened before the arrival of the metaverse, which is just now taking shape, and before the arrival of increasingly compelling, witty, attractive, and customizable AI girlfriends. The virtual world is becoming ever more immersive and addictive. Every year it will pull harder and harder on boys, urging them to abandon the real world. We’ve got to make the real world more appealing for them. https://www.thefp.com/p/jonathan-haidt-worried-about-the-boys-too |
That’s fine, but it’s still DEI for men. |
I'm the poster you're responding to and I completely agree that finding purpose should be the goal we have for our children. (I definitely did not say anything about my purpose being my job!) It's when we present "marriage and children" as the be-all end-all of purpose that I despair. I saw my mother-- who should have been a researcher lording over a laboratory-- trying to cram herself into the wife-and-mother box, and I have this profound loathing of prescribed gender roles, because not only was she miserable, she made us miserable too. Have you read The Geography of Bliss? It's an entertaining read, but also, there are some through-lines that show what makes a genuinely happy society. gender defined roles ain't it. |