Gender Ratios are so lop-sided? What is going on?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

I tend to agree. I actually have one of the highly mature one, even more than most girls, but even he has felt like in college admissions and the like that you almost have apologize for not having any suffering and being male. He’s never said it, but I see it, and can tell in subtle ways. I’m a democrat, I don’t need to be hated on, but many do feel like they have been pushed aside in some regards. Others have mentioned the issues with schooling and boys on the less mature side and agree with that too. Video games and now p*rn are just terrible for these kids.

Your son is correct

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?

The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.

Can you provide some examples of this? I have never seen him speak with those who disagreed with him in any way that I would find admirable.

You clearly have not listened to him beyond cropped edited clips

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Anonymous wrote:I will toss this into the ring as a factor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/07/opinion/men-fiction-novels.html

With the rise of the youth sports industrial complex and the often bro-y, toxic atmosphere this can involve (yes I have a son who does it), are fewer men engaging in the arts and liberal arts generally and what does that mean for them and for society? Many more boys want to major in STEM or business or finance. This could also be tied to men feeling pressure to be breadwinners and realizing these creative fields may not be ultimately lucrative.

It could also be that the arts and liberal arts are dominated by viewpoints that young men are less likely to agree with. Young men are more likely to be conservative, and conservative professors are rare in the humanities these days.

No. Parents don't want them to major in humanities. Just read DCUM. it's CS or engineering or nothing. C'mon, you know this.

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Anonymous wrote:1. I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys.
2. They don’t have role models to look up to.
3. We disparage men in general and white men in particular.
4. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

1. Totally agree. We need to be discussing this more.
2. Disagree, it's just that social media noise obscures the role
3. This is such a broad statement that it's meaningless.
4. Disagree, because those who claim victimhood aren't getting what they need, either.

Maybe they could look up.to women and have women role models? I'm old and went to school and first worked when it was majority men. I had male mentors and role models. And nothing untoward ever happened to me with them. They were good men..I'm sure these young men can be helped by the women who will be their peers, professors, co-workers and bosses.

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Anonymous wrote:Male to female ratio
UCLA -- 38/61
Berkeley -- 43/55
UT-Austin -- 44/56
Michigan -- 36/62
Georgia -- 42/58
Florida -- 44/56
Georgia Tech -- 60/40
VA Tech -- 57/43
UChicago -- 54/46
Northwestern -- 46/54
Auburn -- 50/50
Alabama -- 42/58
Colorado -- 53/47
NYU -- 40/60
BC -- 46/54
BU -- 42/58
UNC-Chapel Hill -- 40/60
NC State -- 52/48
Wisconsin -- 47/53
Georgetown -- 45/55
UPenn -- 46/54
Penn State -- 53/47

This looks bleak, but what is the gender breakdown by degree program?

Because many of the young women I know are not majoring in practical, money making degrees, but rather fluff humanities type degrees.

It seems like there are a lot more of those fluff degrees that boys are not interested in than there was a few decades ago.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a known issue. Much talked about. I have both a boy and girl. There are a lot less boys with their shit together in high school, especially since freshman year. And many cultural factors at play which have been widely discussed in media.

For all of our daughters, we should care about this. You can call it DEI or generally have a who cares about figuring out what is going on with men take. And also, who is your daughter going to date. Most college-educated women want to have a family with a college-educated male. The ratios are not on their side in the aggregate.

And if she wants to date/marry a college educated man that is successful enough to support her if she doesn’t want or can’t work for a period of time, stats are even more depressing

The young ladies do not want what you describe. Listen to them and look at your actions.

They don't want educated, strong, intelligent young men who will provide a good lifestyle and be good husbands.

They want guys who look good on Instagram and tiktok.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?

The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.

Can you provide some examples of this? I have never seen him speak with those who disagreed with him in any way that I would find admirable.

This is a really sad video. “I think you exhibit sinful behavior and you shouldn’t tell people who you are, but WELCOME! Just don’t bring up being gay (Kirk brings up being Christian constantly) and we’ll get along.

That’s not what he said. He said to not lead with your sexuality. Who you sleep with should be the least interesting thing about you.

exactly- no-one straight leads with this as if who you are attracted to is your whole personality. Your romantic/sex life shouldn't be that important part of your identity honestly, human beings have a lot more to their identity than that and the hyper focus on this is bad for people.

But the whole point was to seek advice for gay conservatives? Conservatives spend a lot of time trashing queer people and making them out to be predators. You’re gonna need more advice than just “hide it” if you want to connect with like-minded people who think you’re a predator.

It’s like you’re purposefully missing the point.

He gave that kid wonderful advice.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

Maybe give some thought to the qualities that your culture lauds as being exemplary, or successful. I’m thinking people like Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, DOGE. How many of these wealthy, influential white men finished college? How many of them proudly discuss their college experiences as being foundational in their success? So, I wouldn’t slam you for your viewpoint, although I do encourage you to take a deeper look at who you are openly valuing as role models. What many of you actually value is DOGE: Very young white men — with limited education, lots of power, and extravagantly generous paychecks.

Lol: You do get that you’re claiming “ victimhood” for “white men in particular “ — right? Tell the truth, do you REALLY wish that your “boys” had the opportunities that get offered to people who are not white males? You wish that your kid was a target for ICE?

The only person on that list that I might even consider a worthy role model for a young man would have been Charlie Kirk, primarily for his way of speaking with people who disagreed with him. Do you consider the rest of them people our boys should admire or emulate? That to me is a sign of a sick culture.

Can you provide some examples of this? I have never seen him speak with those who disagreed with him in any way that I would find admirable.

This is a really sad video. “I think you exhibit sinful behavior and you shouldn’t tell people who you are, but WELCOME! Just don’t bring up being gay (Kirk brings up being Christian constantly) and we’ll get along.

Why are you lying? Did you think no one would call you out? He in NO WAY said any of the bolded. He said he didn’t think *anyone* should lead with what sexuality they are - it’s irrelevant and he pointed out that the young man was a complete person, which he is. Then he said from a Christian perspective, he doesn’t agree with a gay lifestyle, but that in NO way should what we do in the bedroom be a relevant talking point. And then he welcomed him to the conservative movement.

Honestly, why are liberals such liars?

“ Did you think no one would call you out? “
No where did I make it sound like I’m Afraid to or won’t engage with you. Call me out all you wish, that’s the point of the forum format.

As a conservative Christian, Charlie Kirk believes homosexuality is a sin. You gonna argue with me now that Kirk was a United Church of Christ member and doesn’t care at all about people being queer? The young man is asking, because many conservatives have much more extreme beliefs about gay people, and it’d be nice to hear something beyond “don’t talk about your sexuality.”

“ Honestly, why are liberals such liars?”
Why are conservatives so obsessed with the idea that they are the only ones with access to the truth?

Most Christians, especially those who read the Bible, know that Charlie Kirk's position is the Biblical truth.

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Anonymous wrote:On average, girls get better grades than boys. This leads to more girls getting admitted to college, even moreso when the weight in admissions shifted moreso, sometimes nearly entirely, to grades over test scores.

You forget that the SAT scoring system was revised to favor girls over boys.

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Anonymous wrote:so sick of how political DCUM has become. This is to discuss college admissions, not your weird conservative cultural gripes.

Yeah, the hater of Charlie Kirk is really throwing a wrench in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

There are plenty of great men to look up to... Pete Buttigieg is an exemplary man. He is honest, smart and successful.

Yes there are fewer men in power who are good role models. But that is because they are greedy, show no empathy and are liars. They did it to themselves, they chose to not have honor and integrity. perhaps boy need to look at some women for great role models...Dolly Parton and Mackenzie Scott

You can’t come up with one straight man for a boy to look up too? You don’t think this might be a problem?

There’s more to Pete Buttigieg than him being gay. Concerning that that’s your first “concern”

I have a great deal of affection for gay men, but my daughter doesn’t want to marry one.

I will consider the job done when one's highest aspiration for one's daughter isn't that she get married. Not married to a successful man, not married AT ALL. Nice if it happens, of course. But not a life goal.

What a sad perspective, but unfortunately one that many young women hold.

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Anonymous wrote:Merit

Weighting the SAT to favor women and disfavor men.

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Anonymous wrote:I have two boys at top 20 universities. White. Middle class. One chose to do ROTC, so that's a definite hook for the elite schools. He has a four year scholarship and also received a Congressional Nomination for West Point when he was considering pursuing that option. The other is completely unhooked, but gets very generous financial aid and studies engineering. Both of them were very strong high school students. Both of them were also very strong athletes and got D3 offers for their sports, though neither pursued those scholarship opportunities because the schools weren't right for them. They go to D1 schools today. Both were also student leaders, "presidents" of various things. Both are very social and outgoing. They have always been very kind and very motivated.

I have absolutely no idea why they are succeeding and other boys aren't. They went to very competitive public high schools with all the AP and EC opportunities. Wealthy area. But over the years, their boy peers seemed to drop for one reason or another. Mental illness, drugs, shitty parents - but girls deal with those issues too, so that's not it.

As an observer, I will say the boys dealt with a lot of anti-boy BS throughout elementary, middle, and high school. In public schools, all the attention is on girls and POC. There is an undercurrent in public schools that white boys are the enemy. And we are talking about 12 and 13 year old boys. They are internalizing this. And as we learned, there is a whole online ecosystem that is there to exploit the hurt and ramp it up into resentment. If you ever hear the words "Andrew Tate" or "Beta" or "Charlie Kirk" or any number of words from a middle schooler, it's time to have real discussions with boys about what that means. Treat them like intelligent human beings. Parents need to be a source of common sense and decency. While acknowledging some of the things they hear in school are totally worth an eye roll.

Reading this thread, I see that some are saying white boys are scared of competition from girls and people of color. That's not it at all, certainly not with my boys. But white boys are being told they are the enemy over and over again. And it takes some gumption and a good upbringing for a 12 year old boy to resist the internet rabbit hole that is just waiting for these boys who are often being defined as bad for things they can do nothing about. I know - every black person or older woman is saying welcome to our world. But as we all know, that demonization has impacts for years. And some teenagers whither under pre-conceived notions - white boys included.

It takes parental effort to counter the crap and get boys to feel comfortable in their bones and feel confident as individuals.

Both of my boys have serious girlfriends. My thinking is way too early. But I can see why girls at the top schools are locking things down early.

Fantastic, on point summary.

The only change I would make is that Charlie Kirk was a very positive role model for young men.

Andrew Tate is not, but Kirk definitely was

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure I’ll get slammed for this, but as a society we’ve abandoned our boys. They don’t have role models to look up to. We disparage men in general and white men in particular. We cater to those who claim victimhood.

I tend to agree. I actually have one of the highly mature one, even more than most girls, but even he has felt like in college admissions and the like that you almost have apologize for not having any suffering and being male. He’s never said it, but I see it, and can tell in subtle ways. I’m a democrat, I don’t need to be hated on, but many do feel like they have been pushed aside in some regards. Others have mentioned the issues with schooling and boys on the less mature side and agree with that too. Video games and now p*rn are just terrible for these kids.

Your son is correct

lol porn and video games and having to apologize …that’s the problems? Wow

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Anonymous wrote:Old news- American, GWU, Emory, Tulane, William and Mary- all known for lopsided gender ratios.

Emory is kind of lopsided by design. If you have a decent sized nursing program and basically no engineering...then it's nearly impossible to have a 50/50 ratio. Even then, it's like 60/40.

Tulane I see is 65/35. Not sure why that school is so imbalanced, though it also isn't well known for heavily male engineering and other STEM programs.

UVA is 57/43. Not that far off from Emory.

My son was rejected from UVA a couple of years ago.

He had far better stats and activities than most of the girls from his school accepted to UVA.

UVA was heavily into the sob story essays that year, where a straight white male was not who they wanted to hear from.