Wake Forest ranking drop?

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Anonymous wrote:25% of all Wake's students study business. According to Poets and Quants, its undergraduate business school is a top 20 school in the country.

That isn't going to change because of US News.

Most people haven’t heard of Poets and Quants but unfortunately many people blindly follow USNWR, so you’re kidding yourself if you think Wake’s huge USNWR ranking decline doesn’t matter.

Applications to Wake have gone up each of the past two years since the ranking methodology was changed.

Applications don’t matter. Has their yield increased or decreased?

I doubt it’s changed if student interest in the school is increasing. Why don’t you research that and report back, Emory mom.

You haven’t actually proven that interest is increasing. Applications are up at most places that people on here care about. You can either run the numbers and show us that Wake’s app increase is higher than the average increase or calculate yield to see if that has increased. You make that claim, you can run the numbers to prove your point. Until then nobody believes you.

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Anonymous wrote:25% of all Wake's students study business. According to Poets and Quants, its undergraduate business school is a top 20 school in the country.

That isn't going to change because of US News.

Most people haven’t heard of Poets and Quants but unfortunately many people blindly follow USNWR, so you’re kidding yourself if you think Wake’s huge USNWR ranking decline doesn’t matter.

Applications to Wake have gone up each of the past two years since the ranking methodology was changed.

Applications don’t matter. Has their yield increased or decreased?

I doubt it’s changed if student interest in the school is increasing. Why don’t you research that and report back, Emory mom.

You haven’t actually proven that interest is increasing. Applications are up at most places that people on here care about. You can either run the numbers and show us that Wake’s app increase is higher than the average increase or calculate yield to see if that has increased. You make that claim, you can run the numbers to prove your point. Until then nobody believes you.

I believe the PP 100%. No affiliation with Wake Forest.

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Anonymous wrote:25% of all Wake's students study business. According to Poets and Quants, its undergraduate business school is a top 20 school in the country.

That isn't going to change because of US News.

First, there are many top business programs that don’t even show up in the poets and quants rankings because they don’t have enough surveys.

This includes Berkeley, University of Texas, MIT and others. Those kids don’t suffer at all attending a school unranked by poets & quants and honestly all three would be top 20…if not top 10 if they responded.

Second, there are plenty of kids hired into business roles, especially the top banking, hedge fund and PE jobs, that attend top schools without undergraduate business programs.

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Anonymous wrote:25% of all Wake's students study business. According to Poets and Quants, its undergraduate business school is a top 20 school in the country.

That isn't going to change because of US News.

Most people haven’t heard of Poets and Quants but unfortunately many people blindly follow USNWR, so you’re kidding yourself if you think Wake’s huge USNWR ranking decline doesn’t matter.

Applications to Wake have gone up each of the past two years since the ranking methodology was changed.

Applications don’t matter. Has their yield increased or decreased?

I doubt it’s changed if student interest in the school is increasing. Why don’t you research that and report back, Emory mom.

You haven’t actually proven that interest is increasing. Applications are up at most places that people on here care about. You can either run the numbers and show us that Wake’s app increase is higher than the average increase or calculate yield to see if that has increased. You make that claim, you can run the numbers to prove your point. Until then nobody believes you.

I believe the PP 100%. No affiliation with Wake Forest.

Believe whatever you want. PP seemingly can’t prove her claim.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

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Anonymous wrote:US News instituted social equity metrics into its rankings so colleges that serve a higher percentage of lower SES students benefited.

For example, UC Merced in California has a 90% acceptance rate and a 10% yield. Its average SAT scores pre-test ban was 1070.

Yet US News now states that it is a top 50 college in the US.

I work with media. I recall thinking what the hell is US News doing with their new algorithm a few years ago. They are destroying their brand.

Because of their changes, it really shouldn't be taken seriously anywhere. It's like Niche or Forbes - background noise.

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Anonymous wrote:25% of all Wake's students study business. According to Poets and Quants, its undergraduate business school is a top 20 school in the country.

That isn't going to change because of US News.

First, there are many top business programs that don’t even show up in the poets and quants rankings because they don’t have enough surveys.

This includes Berkeley, University of Texas, MIT and others. Those kids don’t suffer at all attending a school unranked by poets & quants and honestly all three would be top 20…if not top 10 if they responded.

Second, there are plenty of kids hired into business roles, especially the top banking, hedge fund and PE jobs, that attend top schools without undergraduate business programs.

lol. Berkeley wasn't ranked because it didn't have a 4 year business school because of all the weed outs necessary. I invite you to read this:
https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/2023s-undergraduate-business-schools-to-watch/2/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a noticeable difference between Wake and Elon?

I wouldn’t consider these two peer schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:25% of all Wake's students study business. According to Poets and Quants, its undergraduate business school is a top 20 school in the country.

That isn't going to change because of US News.

First, there are many top business programs that don’t even show up in the poets and quants rankings because they don’t have enough surveys.

This includes Berkeley, University of Texas, MIT and others. Those kids don’t suffer at all attending a school unranked by poets & quants and honestly all three would be top 20…if not top 10 if they responded.

Second, there are plenty of kids hired into business roles, especially the top banking, hedge fund and PE jobs, that attend top schools without undergraduate business programs.

lol. Berkeley wasn't ranked because it didn't have a 4 year business school because of all the weed outs necessary. I invite you to read this:
https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/2023s-undergraduate-business-schools-to-watch/2/

Many of the schools ranked by P&Q don’t have four year business programs including UVA, UNC, Emory, Wake et al.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question- looks like the data shows Wake and Lehigh tied in 2008 about rank 30. Lehigh instituted some growth initiatives and dipped in rankings but it’s now on the rise while Wake tanked. Don’t know the specific factors but I highly doubt Lehigh is benefiting from the DEI or Pell Grant factors. It’s likely job placement and ROI based on the Wall Street Journal ranking Lehigh #15 this year while Wake is ranked #46.

Lehigh is an engineering school, Wake is not. That pretty much accounts for salary differences, geography may also play a role.

Wake has ridiculously small class sizes and nearly all classes taught by a full professor. Lehigh apparently does not, as it went up in rankings when these factors were removed.

Lehigh is not an engineering school. It does have a strong engineering offering but also business and a whole host of other majors. The classes are also nearly all taught by professors. Geography may play a role with respect to salaries

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Ah yeah poor people schools like the Ivy League.

Some of you should actually look at the USNWR Pell grant list before posting stuff like this.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to Rhee 63
W&M: 41 to 54arger percentage
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

Larger percentage of Pell grant/first gen kids and for some, more research funding. Emory in particular has a long standing relationship with Questbridge. Also less affected by removal of class size and percentage of alumni giving as factors.

Emory does not have more questbridge students then say... Vanderbilt or WashU etc. The lot of you cannot grasp that the schools you're DC got into (ie Tufts, Wake, Tulane, W&M, BC etc) ARE NOT NOR WILL EVER BE peers with Emory. The reputation score is most important factor in most rankings where Emory is tied for 22. The others do not compare.

DP- You seem seriously mentally ill. If Emory’s decline in rankings triggers you this severely, then maybe it’s time to take a break. Look, it’s probably hard for Emory to attract top students in-state when they have to compete with GT and UGA.

Most GT and UGa students don't/couldn't get into Emory, so how does that work?

Cite?

Easy,... per CDS
Emory- instate AR 12.7%, 1480-1540, 32-35
GT- Instate AR 33%, 1370-1530, 30-34
UGA-Instae AR 50%, 1230-1410, 27-32

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question- looks like the data shows Wake and Lehigh tied in 2008 about rank 30. Lehigh instituted some growth initiatives and dipped in rankings but it’s now on the rise while Wake tanked. Don’t know the specific factors but I highly doubt Lehigh is benefiting from the DEI or Pell Grant factors. It’s likely job placement and ROI based on the Wall Street Journal ranking Lehigh #15 this year while Wake is ranked #46.

Lehigh is an engineering school, Wake is not. That pretty much accounts for salary differences, geography may also play a role.

Wake has ridiculously small class sizes and nearly all classes taught by a full professor. Lehigh apparently does not, as it went up in rankings when these factors were removed.

Lehigh is not an engineering school. It does have a strong engineering offering but also business and a whole host of other majors. The classes are also nearly all taught by professors. Geography may play a role with respect to salaries

20 percent of the class at Lehigh is an engineering major, 3 percent at Wake. 60 percent of classes at Wake have less than 20 students, 41 percent at Lehigh. I stand by my point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to Rhee 63
W&M: 41 to 54arger percentage
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

Larger percentage of Pell grant/first gen kids and for some, more research funding. Emory in particular has a long standing relationship with Questbridge. Also less affected by removal of class size and percentage of alumni giving as factors.

Emory does not have more questbridge students then say... Vanderbilt or WashU etc. The lot of you cannot grasp that the schools you're DC got into (ie Tufts, Wake, Tulane, W&M, BC etc) ARE NOT NOR WILL EVER BE peers with Emory. The reputation score is most important factor in most rankings where Emory is tied for 22. The others do not compare.

DP- You seem seriously mentally ill. If Emory’s decline in rankings triggers you this severely, then maybe it’s time to take a break. Look, it’s probably hard for Emory to attract top students in-state when they have to compete with GT and UGA.

Most GT and UGa students don't/couldn't get into Emory, so how does that work?

Cite?

Easy,... per CDS
Emory- instate AR 12.7%, 1480-1540, 32-35
GT- Instate AR 33%, 1370-1530, 30-34
UGA-Instae AR 50%, 1230-1410, 27-32

Do you have anything other than outdated stats? lol we all know admissions isn’t just based on stats. Try harder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to 63
W&M: 41 to 54
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

W&M is the only public on this list. Generally, public schools fared better with the new methodology. Maybe W&M’s small size prevents it from offering huge aid? Or is it something else?