Wake Forest ranking drop?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to 63
W&M: 41 to 54
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to Rhee 63
W&M: 41 to 54arger percentage
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

Larger percentage of Pell grant/first gen kids and for some, more research funding. Emory in particular has a long standing relationship with Questbridge. Also less affected by removal of class size and percentage of alumni giving as factors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I noticed that Wake Forest's ranking is now #46 according to US News & World Report, which I found surprising. I remember Wake Forest being ranked far higher than schools like Lehigh but now they're tied? Have they been getting fewer applications?

Latest U.S. New rankings that emphasis dei factors are seemingly being given less weight. Wake’s application numbers at an all time high last year, with highest average applicant stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

All privates outside the top 15 dropped, Notre Dame, and Emory dropped the least at only 2 spots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:US News instituted social equity metrics into its rankings so colleges that serve a higher percentage of lower SES students benefited.

For example, UC Merced in California has a 90% acceptance rate and a 10% yield. Its average SAT scores pre-test ban was 1070.

Yet US News now states that it is a top 50 college in the US.

I work with media. I recall thinking what the hell is US News doing with their new algorithm a few years ago. They are destroying their brand.

Because of their changes, it really shouldn't be taken seriously anywhere. It's like Niche or Forbes - background noise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to 63
W&M: 41 to 54
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

BC dropped from 32 to 37, too. It dropped initially in 2019-2020 due to US News's first methodology changes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to 63
W&M: 41 to 54
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

Because some rankings are propped up by yearly spending while others were propped up by small class sizes and alumni giving rates. You sound clinically stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:US News instituted social equity metrics into its rankings so colleges that serve a higher percentage of lower SES students benefited.

For example, UC Merced in California has a 90% acceptance rate and a 10% yield. Its average SAT scores pre-test ban was 1070.

Yet US News now states that it is a top 50 college in the US.

I work with media. I recall thinking what the hell is US News doing with their new algorithm a few years ago. They are destroying their brand.

Because of their changes, it really shouldn't be taken seriously anywhere. It's like Niche or Forbes - background noise.

Agree. Poets and Quants lists their business school (undergrad) 18th. Rankings need to look at educational experience and outcome. More and more people are moving away from US News ranking because it leaves out so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:US News instituted social equity metrics into its rankings so colleges that serve a higher percentage of lower SES students benefited.

For example, UC Merced in California has a 90% acceptance rate and a 10% yield. Its average SAT scores pre-test ban was 1070.

Yet US News now states that it is a top 50 college in the US.

I work with media. I recall thinking what the hell is US News doing with their new algorithm a few years ago. They are destroying their brand.

Because of their changes, it really shouldn't be taken seriously anywhere. It's like Niche or Forbes - background noise.

Agree. Poets and Quants lists their business school (undergrad) 18th. Rankings need to look at educational experience and outcome. More and more people are moving away from US News ranking because it leaves out so much.

Poets and Quants has become the defacto leader in rankings for business. There are other rankings for engineering, computer science, etc. that are better than US News.

[Anonymous]

US News lost its mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to 63
W&M: 41 to 54
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

When they rolled out the new methodology Dartmouth had a big drop from 12 to 18. UCLA and Berkeley went from 20 and 22 to tied at 15 that year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to 63
W&M: 41 to 54
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

When they rolled out the new methodology Dartmouth had a big drop from 12 to 18. UCLA and Berkeley went from 20 and 22 to tied at 15 that year.

And now they are back to 15...what's your point? Didn't seem like it took them much to come back three slots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to 63
W&M: 41 to 54
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

When they rolled out the new methodology Dartmouth had a big drop from 12 to 18. UCLA and Berkeley went from 20 and 22 to tied at 15 that year.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to 63
W&M: 41 to 54
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

When they rolled out the new methodology Dartmouth had a big drop from 12 to 18. UCLA and Berkeley went from 20 and 22 to tied at 15 that year.

And now they are back to 15...what's your point? Didn't seem like it took them much to come back three slots.

You seem to be arguing that something other than methodology changed when that isn't the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:US News instituted social equity metrics into its rankings so colleges that serve a higher percentage of lower SES students benefited.

For example, UC Merced in California has a 90% acceptance rate and a 10% yield. Its average SAT scores pre-test ban was 1070.

Yet US News now states that it is a top 50 college in the US.

I work with media. I recall thinking what the hell is US News doing with their new algorithm a few years ago. They are destroying their brand.

Because of their changes, it really shouldn't be taken seriously anywhere. It's like Niche or Forbes - background noise.

Agree. Poets and Quants lists their business school (undergrad) 18th. Rankings need to look at educational experience and outcome. More and more people are moving away from US News ranking because it leaves out so much.

Poets and Quants has become the defacto leader in rankings for business. There are other rankings for engineering, computer science, etc. that are better than US News.

Kind of...except they need to figure out a way to rank all schools, regardless of survey responses.

You can't leave out Berkeley, University of Texas, etc.