Wake Forest ranking drop?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to Rhee 63
W&M: 41 to 54arger percentage
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

Larger percentage of Pell grant/first gen kids and for some, more research funding. Emory in particular has a long standing relationship with Questbridge. Also less affected by removal of class size and percentage of alumni giving as factors.

Emory does not have more questbridge students then say... Vanderbilt or WashU etc. The lot of you cannot grasp that the schools you're DC got into (ie Tufts, Wake, Tulane, W&M, BC etc) ARE NOT NOR WILL EVER BE peers with Emory. The reputation score is most important factor in most rankings where Emory is tied for 22. The others do not compare.

DP- You seem seriously mentally ill. If Emory’s decline in rankings triggers you this severely, then maybe it’s time to take a break. Look, it’s probably hard for Emory to attract top students in-state when they have to compete with GT and UGA.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:25% of all Wake's students study business. According to Poets and Quants, its undergraduate business school is a top 20 school in the country.

That isn't going to change because of US News.

Most people haven’t heard of Poets and Quants but unfortunately many people blindly follow USNWR, so you’re kidding yourself if you think Wake’s huge USNWR ranking decline doesn’t matter.

Hmmm if you hire in capital markets you know so there is that.

And that’s obviously not the general public. Thanks for making my point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:25% of all Wake's students study business. According to Poets and Quants, its undergraduate business school is a top 20 school in the country.

That isn't going to change because of US News.

Most people haven’t heard of Poets and Quants but unfortunately many people blindly follow USNWR, so you’re kidding yourself if you think Wake’s huge USNWR ranking decline doesn’t matter.

Don’t worry, it will swing by 20 spots in the next P&Q rankings because their methodology is sh*t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to Rhee 63
W&M: 41 to 54arger percentage
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

Larger percentage of Pell grant/first gen kids and for some, more research funding. Emory in particular has a long standing relationship with Questbridge. Also less affected by removal of class size and percentage of alumni giving as factors.

Emory does not have more questbridge students then say... Vanderbilt or WashU etc. The lot of you cannot grasp that the schools you're DC got into (ie Tufts, Wake, Tulane, W&M, BC etc) ARE NOT NOR WILL EVER BE peers with Emory. The reputation score is most important factor in most rankings where Emory is tied for 22. The others do not compare.

DP- You seem seriously mentally ill. If Emory’s decline in rankings triggers you this severely, then maybe it’s time to take a break. Look, it’s probably hard for Emory to attract top students in-state when they have to compete with GT and UGA.

No you missed the point, Emory didn't drop much in the rankings because they aren't US news's target. The schools your DC goes to are. USnews knew that schools like Wake were overrated and they fixed that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to Rhee 63
W&M: 41 to 54arger percentage
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

Larger percentage of Pell grant/first gen kids and for some, more research funding. Emory in particular has a long standing relationship with Questbridge. Also less affected by removal of class size and percentage of alumni giving as factors.

Emory does not have more questbridge students then say... Vanderbilt or WashU etc. The lot of you cannot grasp that the schools you're DC got into (ie Tufts, Wake, Tulane, W&M, BC etc) ARE NOT NOR WILL EVER BE peers with Emory. The reputation score is most important factor in most rankings where Emory is tied for 22. The others do not compare.

DP- You seem seriously mentally ill. If Emory’s decline in rankings triggers you this severely, then maybe it’s time to take a break. Look, it’s probably hard for Emory to attract top students in-state when they have to compete with GT and UGA.

No you missed the point, Emory didn't drop much in the rankings because they aren't US news's target. The schools your DC goes to are. USnews knew that schools like Wake were overrated and they fixed that.

Yet Emory still dropped in the rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to Rhee 63
W&M: 41 to 54arger percentage
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

Larger percentage of Pell grant/first gen kids and for some, more research funding. Emory in particular has a long standing relationship with Questbridge. Also less affected by removal of class size and percentage of alumni giving as factors.

Emory does not have more questbridge students then say... Vanderbilt or WashU etc. The lot of you cannot grasp that the schools you're DC got into (ie Tufts, Wake, Tulane, W&M, BC etc) ARE NOT NOR WILL EVER BE peers with Emory. The reputation score is most important factor in most rankings where Emory is tied for 22. The others do not compare.

DP- You seem seriously mentally ill. If Emory’s decline in rankings triggers you this severely, then maybe it’s time to take a break. Look, it’s probably hard for Emory to attract top students in-state when they have to compete with GT and UGA.

Most GT and UGa students don't/couldn't get into Emory, so how does that work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to Rhee 63
W&M: 41 to 54arger percentage
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

Larger percentage of Pell grant/first gen kids and for some, more research funding. Emory in particular has a long standing relationship with Questbridge. Also less affected by removal of class size and percentage of alumni giving as factors.

Emory does not have more questbridge students then say... Vanderbilt or WashU etc. The lot of you cannot grasp that the schools you're DC got into (ie Tufts, Wake, Tulane, W&M, BC etc) ARE NOT NOR WILL EVER BE peers with Emory. The reputation score is most important factor in most rankings where Emory is tied for 22. The others do not compare.

DP- You seem seriously mentally ill. If Emory’s decline in rankings triggers you this severely, then maybe it’s time to take a break. Look, it’s probably hard for Emory to attract top students in-state when they have to compete with GT and UGA.

Most GT and UGa students don't/couldn't get into Emory, so how does that work?

Cite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of mid-size schools had their rankings change after US News started favoring poor people schools. Case Western, Tulane, William and Mary, Dartmouth, Emory, Northeastern, Boston College, Tufts, etc. all had ranking drops even though nothing changed.

Some of these schools are not like the others if you look at the actual drops:

Dartmouth: 12 to 15
Emory: 22 to 24
BC: 36 to 37
Case: 44 to 51
Northeastern: 44 to 54
Tulane: 44 to Rhee 63
W&M: 41 to 54arger percentage
Wake: 29 to 46
Tufts: 32 to 37

Wish someone would explain why Dartmouth, Emory, BC...even Tufts really didn't drop much at all, while the others dropped more precipitously.

This was your list BTW.

Larger percentage of Pell grant/first gen kids and for some, more research funding. Emory in particular has a long standing relationship with Questbridge. Also less affected by removal of class size and percentage of alumni giving as factors.

Emory does not have more questbridge students then say... Vanderbilt or WashU etc. The lot of you cannot grasp that the schools you're DC got into (ie Tufts, Wake, Tulane, W&M, BC etc) ARE NOT NOR WILL EVER BE peers with Emory. The reputation score is most important factor in most rankings where Emory is tied for 22. The others do not compare.

DP- You seem seriously mentally ill. If Emory’s decline in rankings triggers you this severely, then maybe it’s time to take a break. Look, it’s probably hard for Emory to attract top students in-state when they have to compete with GT and UGA.

No you missed the point, Emory didn't drop much in the rankings because they aren't US news's target. The schools your DC goes to are. USnews knew that schools like Wake were overrated and they fixed that.

If you actually believe this, you are an idiot. The USNews rankings were changed to place a premium on dei and diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original question- looks like the data shows Wake and Lehigh tied in 2008 about rank 30. Lehigh instituted some growth initiatives and dipped in rankings but it’s now on the rise while Wake tanked. Don’t know the specific factors but I highly doubt Lehigh is benefiting from the DEI or Pell Grant factors. It’s likely job placement and ROI based on the Wall Street Journal ranking Lehigh #15 this year while Wake is ranked #46.

Lehigh is an engineering school, Wake is not. That pretty much accounts for salary differences, geography may also play a role.

Wake has ridiculously small class sizes and nearly all classes taught by a full professor. Lehigh apparently does not, as it went up in rankings when these factors were removed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:25% of all Wake's students study business. According to Poets and Quants, its undergraduate business school is a top 20 school in the country.

That isn't going to change because of US News.

Most people haven’t heard of Poets and Quants but unfortunately many people blindly follow USNWR, so you’re kidding yourself if you think Wake’s huge USNWR ranking decline doesn’t matter.

Applications to Wake have gone up each of the past two years since the ranking methodology was changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25% of all Wake's students study business. According to Poets and Quants, its undergraduate business school is a top 20 school in the country.

That isn't going to change because of US News.

Most people haven’t heard of Poets and Quants but unfortunately many people blindly follow USNWR, so you’re kidding yourself if you think Wake’s huge USNWR ranking decline doesn’t matter.

Applications to Wake have gone up each of the past two years since the ranking methodology was changed.

Applications don’t matter. Has their yield increased or decreased?

[Anonymous]

Undergrad business students certainly have heard of Poets & Quants, as have their professors and most importantly, employers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25% of all Wake's students study business. According to Poets and Quants, its undergraduate business school is a top 20 school in the country.

That isn't going to change because of US News.

Most people haven’t heard of Poets and Quants but unfortunately many people blindly follow USNWR, so you’re kidding yourself if you think Wake’s huge USNWR ranking decline doesn’t matter.

Applications to Wake have gone up each of the past two years since the ranking methodology was changed.

Applications don’t matter. Has their yield increased or decreased?

I doubt it’s changed if student interest in the school is increasing. Why don’t you research that and report back, Emory mom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Undergrad business students certainly have heard of Poets & Quants, as have their professors and most importantly, employers.

Do you have data or are you guessing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:25% of all Wake's students study business. According to Poets and Quants, its undergraduate business school is a top 20 school in the country.

That isn't going to change because of US News.

Most people haven’t heard of Poets and Quants but unfortunately many people blindly follow USNWR, so you’re kidding yourself if you think Wake’s huge USNWR ranking decline doesn’t matter.

Applications to Wake have gone up each of the past two years since the ranking methodology was changed.

Applications don’t matter. Has their yield increased or decreased?

I doubt it’s changed if student interest in the school is increasing. Why don’t you research that and report back, Emory mom.

You haven’t actually proven that interest is increasing. Applications are up at most places that people on here care about. You can either run the numbers and show us that Wake’s app increase is higher than the average increase or calculate yield to see if that has increased. You make that claim, you can run the numbers to prove your point. Until then nobody believes you.