Georgia's anti-abortion law forcing brain-dead woman to remain on life support

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So is the state going to be responsible for that astronomical hospital bill?

The fetus?

The woman's family?

Ultimately it will be a gofundme.

The American Healthcare system everybody!

She was a nurse. Why wouldn't her health insurance company be paying? Her baby would be covered, too.

^^idiot

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So is the state going to be responsible for that astronomical hospital bill?

The fetus?

The woman's family?

Ultimately it will be a gofundme.

The American Healthcare system everybody!

She was a nurse. Why wouldn't her health insurance company be paying? Her baby would be covered, too.

^^idiot

??

Insurance policy would not necessarily cover months of sustained treatment for someone who is brain dead, as legally, that person is dead. Most insurance policies would not cover this, per google.

Whether insurance covers the fetus separately is also legally questionable. Typically the baby is added by the parent AFTER it is born, as the birth triggers open enrollment. As the mother is now technically dead, they may not be able to add her under the mother's policy. Probably noy, honestly as that policy would be discontinued. The father could take out a policy at birth.

But as GA has a "personhood" clause for an unborn fetus, I am unsure how that works - does that mean parents pay for the fetus as a separate person starting in pregnancy?

What a mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So is the state going to be responsible for that astronomical hospital bill?

The fetus?

The woman's family?

Ultimately it will be a gofundme.

The American Healthcare system everybody!

She was a nurse. Why wouldn't her health insurance company be paying? Her baby would be covered, too.

That is not how employer provided heath insurance coverage works. Coverage ends when you die. So once she was legally declared brain dead the insurance company will likely refuse to cover any medical expenses after that date.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not to mention the fact that the they are trying to hold the family responsible for the medical expenses. If the government is forcing her body to be used as an incubator, why should her family have to pay f or it?

I'd pull the plug myself-this is terrible.

Which is why crazy strangers aren’t allowed to make medical decisions for people they have never even met. And also why hospitals have security guards. Yikes!

What are you going on about. I was talking if it was my family you f@cking moron. Yikes to you who is probably praising the lord at what is happening to this poor woman-meanwhile you are a crap human.

If you ever get bad vibes from a family member, do not leave them alone with an ill or injured child or adult family member. You never know what someone is capable of, as illustrated by this deeply disturbed individual.

You have to get a grip. The family wants to let their family member go. she is medically be kept alive by a machine and fetus is not doing well. Please go read and think. I feel terribly for the family and if the state is going to continue with this charade then they pay the hospital bills. PERIOD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So is the state going to be responsible for that astronomical hospital bill?

The fetus?

The woman's family?

Ultimately it will be a gofundme.

The American Healthcare system everybody!

She was a nurse. Why wouldn't her health insurance company be paying? Her baby would be covered, too.

That is not how employer provided heath insurance coverage works. Coverage ends when you die. So once she was legally declared brain dead the insurance company will likely refuse to cover any medical expenses after that date.

And the father will be legally liable for the bills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention the fact that the they are trying to hold the family responsible for the medical expenses. If the government is forcing her body to be used as an incubator, why should her family have to pay f or it?

I'd pull the plug myself-this is terrible.

Which is why crazy strangers aren’t allowed to make medical decisions for people they have never even met. And also why hospitals have security guards. Yikes!

What are you going on about. I was talking if it was my family you f@cking moron. Yikes to you who is probably praising the lord at what is happening to this poor woman-meanwhile you are a crap human.

If you ever get bad vibes from a family member, do not leave them alone with an ill or injured child or adult family member. You never know what someone is capable of, as illustrated by this deeply disturbed individual.

You have to get a grip. The family wants to let their family member go. she is medically be kept alive by a machine and fetus is not doing well. Please go read and think. I feel terribly for the family and if the state is going to continue with this charade then they pay the hospital bills. PERIOD

It’s in the original AP article that started the thread. Did any of you read it?

“Newkirk told WXIA that doctors told the family that the fetus has fluid on the brain and that they’re concerned about his health.

“She’s pregnant with my grandson. But he may be blind, may not be able to walk, may not survive once he’s born,” Newkirk said. She has not said whether the family wants Smith removed from life support.”

Of course you are lying. Her family members have not commented if they want her removed from life support.

You:

1. Dream of removing your own family from life support.

2. Lie and speak inappropriately for this woman’s family.

3. Call a mental health professional a “shrink.”

Yikes 2.0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention the fact that the they are trying to hold the family responsible for the medical expenses. If the government is forcing her body to be used as an incubator, why should her family have to pay f or it?

I'd pull the plug myself-this is terrible.

Which is why crazy strangers aren’t allowed to make medical decisions for people they have never even met. And also why hospitals have security guards. Yikes!

What are you going on about. I was talking if it was my family you f@cking moron. Yikes to you who is probably praising the lord at what is happening to this poor woman-meanwhile you are a crap human.

If you ever get bad vibes from a family member, do not leave them alone with an ill or injured child or adult family member. You never know what someone is capable of, as illustrated by this deeply disturbed individual.

You have to get a grip. The family wants to let their family member go. she is medically be kept alive by a machine and fetus is not doing well. Please go read and think. I feel terribly for the family and if the state is going to continue with this charade then they pay the hospital bills. PERIOD

It’s in the original AP article that started the thread. Did any of you read it?

“Newkirk told WXIA that doctors told the family that the fetus has fluid on the brain and that they’re concerned about his health.

“She’s pregnant with my grandson. But he may be blind, may not be able to walk, may not survive once he’s born,” Newkirk said. She has not said whether the family wants Smith removed from life support.”

Of course you are lying. Her family members have not commented if they want her removed from life support.

You:

1. Dream of removing your own family from life support.

2. Lie and speak inappropriately for this woman’s family.

3. Call a mental health professional a “shrink.”

Yikes 2.0

Her mother is quite clear that she thinks she should have decided, not the Georgia legislature.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna207002

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Go take care of a long term vent patient and tell us you would want that. Pressure wounds so deep, you can see bone once the necrotic tissue is debrided (and can get infected as deep as soft tissue, osteomyelitis), contractures such that the limbs are fixed and rigid making repositioning (needed every two hours to try to prevent pressure wounds) challenging, long suctioning tube put down into the lungs every few hours, periodic ventilator associated pneumonia, and more. Going to say you are out of touch. Meanwhile all sorts of drugs harmful to the fetus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

Most voters support abortion in general, statistically, per polling and particularly for adverse medical events. Look it up, google is your friend. You are in the bubble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

This issue isn’t about abortion dummy. It’s about the state keeping a dead woman alive against the wishes of her family to gestate a severely disabled baby that the state will then wash its hands of once born.

And fwiw a strong majority of Americans believe abortion should be legal. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These posters are the (fortunately rare) “celebrate your abortion!” crowd. They are not representative of nearly all of the US.

Not a single person said that.

If you don’t get why it is ghoulish to keep a woman’s dead body alive to gestate a likely severely disabled child (who will not be supported by the lawmakers who forced this) … don’t know what to say.

Most Americans who hear this story, aside from abortion fanatics, will believe that the mother would have done anything she could to keep her baby alive. They just are not going to see this as something the mother would not have wanted, because most mothers would do anything to protect their babies.

DCUM is an extreme outlier on abortion sentiment and has historically been unable to self-comprehend that fact.

From 9 weeks???? No way. That is your warped assumption. Also she was an RN so even less likely she would choose this, medical professionals are leas likely to choose extreme long term interventions, especially when those interventions harm the developing fetus.

-RN

Look, I don’t know what to tell you. You are just wrong and out of touch.

Ah well that settles it.

Are you taking the position that DCUM has been consistently in line with the position of most American voters when it comes to abortion? The shock and gnashing of teeth after the last election—which was entirely predictable outside the DCUM bubble—shows how wrong you are.

Most voters don’t view abortion and abortion rights the same way DCUM does. They are uncomfortable with it at best. I am deeply skeptical that DCUMs general posture on this case is anything other than a far extreme.

you are so out of touch with current national polling on abortion opinion, it is laughable. JFC, google is your friend.