Harvard Rejects Trump Admin’s Demands, Going to Court

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a graduate of one of the most elite colleges, Harvard's complaints are hypocritical. They are very happy to comply with progressive mandates from the Federal government (the Fed has long used the threat of the purse to get universities to comply with Federal mandates, such as Title IX or affirmative action or sex/gender politics). But when the Federal government uses the threat of the purse in a different way, suddenly it's a violation of free speech? While the other mandates weren't? Wow!

Cry me a river. Harvard isn't that special. Like all progressive institutions, it is deeply hypocritical. It, along with other elite colleges, has lost a great deal of credibility and respect in the last 10-15 years. A Harvard diploma does not carry the weight it did in 2005. Harvard can do what it wants but if it loses Federal funding, few Americans outside the NYT readership will care, and that is what Harvard doesn't understand.

This is one of the dumber things I've read.

It’s spot on. Can accurate also be dumb? Not sure.

Can a school that provides remedial math and writing classes to its admits also be “prestigious?” Am very doubtful.

Remedial math on offer at my local community College and at Harvard. Glad to know I can save a ton of money by sending my kids there instead. Double plus, now they can't avoid mowing the lawn because they're too busy with their homework. Thanks for the tip!

🤡

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMFAO these people were claiming hard that Harvard was a private school and it doesn't take any Federal funding so it can do whatever it choose to just last year when the discrimination case was going on.

Now they are cry babies that Fed taking away some money. WTF

MAGA losers are so fcking clueless.

Make up your fcking mind.
Do you want to do whatever you want without receiving my tax money or do yo want my tax money.

BTW I'm not MAGA. I'm going to vote for Demarcate next election. I switch around depending on.

Thanks for proving my point. You have zero clue about research funding.

You voted for Harris?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

There are many concerns with the demands, but here are three:

-Harvard is being told they have to end recognition of student orgs merely accused of things, not proven to have done those things. Many of the allegations have been disputed.

-Affirmative action and DEI aren’t the same. DEI can still play a role in ensuring no discrimination, but they are being told even that is not allowed.

- Most seriously, Harvard employees and students would be immediately evaluated for “viewpoint diversity. ” If not satisfying the gov, future hires and admits would need to reach whatever level of parity the gov sees fit. Viewpoint diversity is a subjective assessment, and easily corrupted to disallow academic criticism of public policy. That would remove yet another “check,” as the politicians studied by academics would now control the hiring of those asking the questions, not unlike what just happened with the WH press corps.

Can the gov withhold Harvard funding if their demands aren’t met? Possibly, but that doesn’t make it right, as the courts exist to determine compliance with the law, not to tell us what laws we should have. Much of this hasn’t been attempted before in this country, so at least some of the relevant laws are vague. If they do pull it off, why would the top researchers and students in the world stay when they are in high demand by countries not policing thought?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMFAO these people were claiming hard that Harvard was a private school and it doesn't take any Federal funding so it can do whatever it choose to just last year when the discrimination case was going on.

Now they are cry babies that Fed taking away some money. WTF

MAGA losers are so fcking clueless.

Make up your fcking mind.
Do you want to do whatever you want without receiving my tax money or do yo want my tax money.

BTW I'm not MAGA. I'm going to vote for Demarcate next election. I switch around depending on.

Thanks for proving my point. You have zero clue about research funding.

You voted for Harris?

Can't make up your mind LOL

Didn't like either of them so didn't vote last time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a graduate of one of the most elite colleges, Harvard's complaints are hypocritical. They are very happy to comply with progressive mandates from the Federal government (the Fed has long used the threat of the purse to get universities to comply with Federal mandates, such as Title IX or affirmative action or sex/gender politics). But when the Federal government uses the threat of the purse in a different way, suddenly it's a violation of free speech? While the other mandates weren't? Wow!

Cry me a river. Harvard isn't that special. Like all progressive institutions, it is deeply hypocritical. It, along with other elite colleges, has lost a great deal of credibility and respect in the last 10-15 years. A Harvard diploma does not carry the weight it did in 2005. Harvard can do what it wants but if it loses Federal funding, few Americans outside the NYT readership will care, and that is what Harvard doesn't understand.

This is one of the dumber things I've read.

It’s spot on. Can accurate also be dumb? Not sure.

Can a school that provides remedial math and writing classes to its admits also be “prestigious?” Am very doubtful.

Remedial math on offer at my local community College and at Harvard. Glad to know I can save a ton of money by sending my kids there instead. Double plus, now they can't avoid mowing the lawn because they're too busy with their homework. Thanks for the tip!

🤡

it's so weird how nobody can read a simple story about this remedial math stuff. it's not that deep people. Harvard is saying kids are coming to us behind where they were 4 years ago and we're bumping freshman year math to 5 days a week to make up for it. Believe me, the community colleges are seeing the same thing - those kids are behind were they were 4 years ago too -- and that's a lot lower level. They should also make their freshman year curriculum more robust to get the kids up to standard - whether that be Harvard standard or CC standard.

[Anonymous]

Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Harvard is awarded such research dollars because they provide higher ROI than many other R1 institutions. Nobody at USAF gives a flying F about the name brand when they need advanced materials research. They gave it to Harvard (or MIT or wherever) because they know the quality of the product.

Move the money elsewhere and cross your fingers that our top students and researchers will follow it.

Just keep in mind that public funding priorities shift every 2 years or so. Places like Harvard survive for 100+ years because they are not completely beholden to public funding. Many other schools are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Brilliant kids at a lot of state schools. There problem fixed.

Harvard is awarded such research dollars because they provide higher ROI than many other R1 institutions. Nobody at USAF gives a flying F about the name brand when they need advanced materials research. They gave it to Harvard (or MIT or wherever) because they know the quality of the product.

Move the money elsewhere and cross your fingers that our top students and researchers will follow it.

Just keep in mind that public funding priorities shift every 2 years or so. Places like Harvard survive for 100+ years because they are not completely beholden to public funding. Many other schools are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

There are many concerns with the demands, but here are three:

-Harvard is being told they have to end recognition of student orgs merely accused of things, not proven to have done those things. Many of the allegations have been disputed.

-Affirmative action and DEI aren’t the same. DEI can still play a role in ensuring no discrimination, but they are being told even that is not allowed.

- Most seriously, Harvard employees and students would be immediately evaluated for “viewpoint diversity. ” If not satisfying the gov, future hires and admits would need to reach whatever level of parity the gov sees fit. Viewpoint diversity is a subjective assessment, and easily corrupted to disallow academic criticism of public policy. That would remove yet another “check,” as the politicians studied by academics would now control the hiring of those asking the questions, not unlike what just happened with the WH press corps.

Can the gov withhold Harvard funding if their demands aren’t met? Possibly, but that doesn’t make it right, as the courts exist to determine compliance with the law, not to tell us what laws we should have. Much of this hasn’t been attempted before in this country, so at least some of the relevant laws are vague. If they do pull it off, why would the top researchers and students in the world stay when they are in high demand by countries not policing thought?

Ridiculous DEI policies resulted in Harvard hiring a fake Indian as a law professor & a serial plagiarist as president. Hard to see why DEI is something they think is worth fighting for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Sure. Except it won’t be doing research for US federal programs.

Stopping this research primarily hurts the US, not Harvard.

[Anonymous]

It’s extortion. No previous White House has ever tried to use the power of the state to steer the nation’s preeminent institutions of higher learning in an ideological direction favored by the president.

“U.S. research universities, and the federal funding that supports them, are one major reason Americans have collected more Nobel Prizes than citizens of any other country. They also help make the United States the world’s innovation engine and the top destination for foreign students. No other country is as adept at converting raw human talent and ideas into cutting-edge products. Research universities anchor innovation clusters such as Silicon Valley, which in turn fuel the country’s economic growth.”

Nearly a month ago, for example, Columbia University agreed to most of the White House’s demands in the hopes that Trump and his team would restore $400 million in federal funding. Not only were those hopes soon dashed — Columbia didn’t get its money back — but the administration soon after proposed installing oversight personnel to help run the school in ways that would make the president happy.

In effect, the White House responded to Columbia’s appeasement by trying in part to take over Columbia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Harvard is awarded such research dollars because they provide higher ROI than many other R1 institutions. Nobody at USAF gives a flying F about the name brand when they need advanced materials research. They gave it to Harvard (or MIT or wherever) because they know the quality of the product.

Move the money elsewhere and cross your fingers that our top students and researchers will follow it.

Just keep in mind that public funding priorities shift every 2 years or so. Places like Harvard survive for 100+ years because they are not completely beholden to public funding. Many other schools are.

The fine researchers will go to where the money is already.
Just a little shuffling, no big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So long as bright students want to live and work together places like Harvard will be a going concern. Also, when EU slides into their DMs and says they'll fund Harvard in exchange for some IP action then we'll all see the masks fall. This administration doesn't want to put Harvard out of business. They want to control it. Hostile takeover

Yes. See previous post. It’s extortion. A dictatorship to control all thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having Harvard stop doing research is like the Post Office stop doing mail. It makes no sense and it doesn't help any American ..


Oh wait, they're also trying to do that.

Harvard can do research all it wants. It's a free country. Nobody is stopping it.

Sure. Except it won’t be doing research for US federal programs.

Stopping this research primarily hurts the US, not Harvard.

Harvard is not the only university in the US.