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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

Taxed church funds could also go to public schools, or public assistance for the poor, etc. What do you think?

Clearly you don’t understand basic taxation. As I mention exemptions are good up to a limit. Is it justified to give a subsidy to school that cater rich families ? Maybe you think it’s ok.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

Taxed church funds could also go to public schools, or public assistance for the poor, etc. What do you think?

Keep the government hands off my school subsidies !

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

You pretty much avoided my question. I think both should remain tax exempt. I really love that the multitude of independent options exist for different families, including both the secular and religious schools that might exclude my own child due to religious differences. I neither prefer public schools or the for-profit private school models for my child. But why are you after private schools and not churches or church affiliated schools by the very same principles?

I didn’t avoid the question. I also love tax exemptions. The question is if that is justified. You sound a lot like sidwell getting covid funds intended for small business, and then saying that is ethically correct.

Now you answer my question. Is it justified to give a subsidy to schools of rich families instead of using that money for public schools ?

It’s no different from churches and other non profits getting tax exemptions. And notice that private school parents still pay taxes to subsidize schools their children do not attend. If a private school is for-profit then they should not be tax-exempt. It’s a more principled difference between profit and non-profit, rather than, “I like Churches better so they can do what they want to benefit one group and not another.”

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

Taxed church funds could also go to public schools, or public assistance for the poor, etc. What do you think?

Keep the government hands off my school subsidies !

Your approach: keep the government hands off of non-profits I like! But not entities I dislike because they should admit students my way!

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

You pretty much avoided my question. I think both should remain tax exempt. I really love that the multitude of independent options exist for different families, including both the secular and religious schools that might exclude my own child due to religious differences. I neither prefer public schools or the for-profit private school models for my child. But why are you after private schools and not churches or church affiliated schools by the very same principles?

I didn’t avoid the question. I also love tax exemptions. The question is if that is justified. You sound a lot like sidwell getting covid funds intended for small business, and then saying that is ethically correct.

Now you answer my question. Is it justified to give a subsidy to schools of rich families instead of using that money for public schools ?

It’s no different from churches and other non profits getting tax exemptions. And notice that private school parents still pay taxes to subsidize schools their children do not attend. If a private school is for-profit then they should not be tax-exempt. It’s a more principled difference between profit and non-profit, rather than, “I like Churches better so they can do what they want to benefit one group and not another.”

I don’t understand your example. A better example is mortgage interest deduction. You provide that exemption up to a limit. The idea is to benefit lower and middle class families, not the rich ones.

Is a subsidy to a school that is charging 60k per year reasonable. Not sure. I am sure that the school
Can pay the taxes. Why do tax payer have to subsidize such schools?

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

Taxed church funds could also go to public schools, or public assistance for the poor, etc. What do you think?

Keep the government hands off my school subsidies !

Your approach: keep the government hands off of non-profits I like! But not entities I dislike because they should admit students my way!

I love the approach by sidwell. Take funds for small business during covid because the law was badly written. Very nice.

By the way. You can always do a straw man argument. But it’s more simple. You can just impose a limit, so richer people pay more taxes. Maybe it’s very hard for you to understand.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

You pretty much avoided my question. I think both should remain tax exempt. I really love that the multitude of independent options exist for different families, including both the secular and religious schools that might exclude my own child due to religious differences. I neither prefer public schools or the for-profit private school models for my child. But why are you after private schools and not churches or church affiliated schools by the very same principles?

I didn’t avoid the question. I also love tax exemptions. The question is if that is justified. You sound a lot like sidwell getting covid funds intended for small business, and then saying that is ethically correct.

Now you answer my question. Is it justified to give a subsidy to schools of rich families instead of using that money for public schools ?

It’s no different from churches and other non profits getting tax exemptions. And notice that private school parents still pay taxes to subsidize schools their children do not attend. If a private school is for-profit then they should not be tax-exempt. It’s a more principled difference between profit and non-profit, rather than, “I like Churches better so they can do what they want to benefit one group and not another.”

Love when people complain about tax cuts for the rich, but they don’t like to talk about the subsidies for the school. Again, I think as a matter of tax policy it’s reasonable to evaluate if it’s make sense to subsidize rich schools. Clearly is something that you like. Enjoy while it lasts!

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Anonymous wrote:The other concept that seems to be missing here is that minority populations are quite well represented at most DC area private schools.

First, if you exclude financial aid (only for the purpose of calculating representativeness), you would start with a universe of people who can afford and choose to spend $50K+ per year per kid. You would be well in-bounds to say that the economic disparity between races is inherent founded in racism. That said, a private school is a private business that has no legal obligation to provide aid. Their choice to do so is only for the purpose of expanding the economic (and, accordingly, racial) diversity of their student body and community. If you start with a universe of families who can afford to pay full retail, I do not believe any minority is particularly underrepresented at many schools.

If you bring in financial aid (in other words, reality), you can then look at the entirety of the population regardless of means.

The overall Washington DC MSA stats are:

Black or African American: 24%
Non-Hispanic White: 43%
Hispanic or Latino: 17%
Asian: 11%
Mixed and other: 6%

At our UNW school, more than half identify as being a “person of color.” I think White and Asian Americans are slightly overrepresented and Hispanics and Blacks very slightly underrepresented (I think the Black population at our school is around 20%).

The punchlines in my opinion are:
1. Schools have every right to build whatever class they want.
2. I think they have generally done a damn good job at cobbling together different kids from all kids of backgrounds who fit together quite well.
3. To impute racism, you’d be saying that when two equally qualified kids apply, the white ones consistently are admitted. In this case, equally qualified means same grades, same ability to pay, same extracurriculars, same personality.

To me, it sounds like the OP doesn’t understand that it’s possible that their kid(s) were denied admission because other kids were preferable. They may have been more pleasant, smarter, a better athlete, wealthier, more interesting.

I have read nothing in these pages that support the thesis that the opacity of the admissions process is a veiled attempt to conceal unjust practices.

I would feel much more sympathetic to OP if she or her DD experienced racism. I am not white and certainly would relate. Instead it just seems like she didn’t agree with some of her friends’ kids not getting admitted, and thus has found an axe to grind with holistic admissions. The fact is, a lot of great kids get rejected from their first choice. That’s just life!

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

You pretty much avoided my question. I think both should remain tax exempt. I really love that the multitude of independent options exist for different families, including both the secular and religious schools that might exclude my own child due to religious differences. I neither prefer public schools or the for-profit private school models for my child. But why are you after private schools and not churches or church affiliated schools by the very same principles?

I didn’t avoid the question. I also love tax exemptions. The question is if that is justified. You sound a lot like sidwell getting covid funds intended for small business, and then saying that is ethically correct.

Now you answer my question. Is it justified to give a subsidy to schools of rich families instead of using that money for public schools ?

It’s no different from churches and other non profits getting tax exemptions. And notice that private school parents still pay taxes to subsidize schools their children do not attend. If a private school is for-profit then they should not be tax-exempt. It’s a more principled difference between profit and non-profit, rather than, “I like Churches better so they can do what they want to benefit one group and not another.”

Love when people complain about tax cuts for the rich, but they don’t like to talk about the subsidies for the school. Again, I think as a matter of tax policy it’s reasonable to evaluate if it’s make sense to subsidize rich schools. Clearly is something that you like. Enjoy while it lasts!

I pay lots of taxes to public schools my kid doesn’t attend. I sense you really hate private schools and their communities and their selective nature in principle (totally fair! You’re right to choose!) and should send your child to public instead.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

Taxed church funds could also go to public schools, or public assistance for the poor, etc. What do you think?

Keep the government hands off my school subsidies !

Your approach: keep the government hands off of non-profits I like! But not entities I dislike because they should admit students my way!

I love the approach by sidwell. Take funds for small business during covid because the law was badly written. Very nice.

By the way. You can always do a straw man argument. But it’s more simple. You can just impose a limit, so richer people pay more taxes. Maybe it’s very hard for you to understand.

I have yet to see you give a principled reason why the churches should enjoy freedoms you don’t want to extend to other non profits.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

You pretty much avoided my question. I think both should remain tax exempt. I really love that the multitude of independent options exist for different families, including both the secular and religious schools that might exclude my own child due to religious differences. I neither prefer public schools or the for-profit private school models for my child. But why are you after private schools and not churches or church affiliated schools by the very same principles?

I didn’t avoid the question. I also love tax exemptions. The question is if that is justified. You sound a lot like sidwell getting covid funds intended for small business, and then saying that is ethically correct.

Now you answer my question. Is it justified to give a subsidy to schools of rich families instead of using that money for public schools ?

It’s no different from churches and other non profits getting tax exemptions. And notice that private school parents still pay taxes to subsidize schools their children do not attend. If a private school is for-profit then they should not be tax-exempt. It’s a more principled difference between profit and non-profit, rather than, “I like Churches better so they can do what they want to benefit one group and not another.”

Love when people complain about tax cuts for the rich, but they don’t like to talk about the subsidies for the school. Again, I think as a matter of tax policy it’s reasonable to evaluate if it’s make sense to subsidize rich schools. Clearly is something that you like. Enjoy while it lasts!

Sure. You send your kid to private school too right?

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

You pretty much avoided my question. I think both should remain tax exempt. I really love that the multitude of independent options exist for different families, including both the secular and religious schools that might exclude my own child due to religious differences. I neither prefer public schools or the for-profit private school models for my child. But why are you after private schools and not churches or church affiliated schools by the very same principles?

I didn’t avoid the question. I also love tax exemptions. The question is if that is justified. You sound a lot like sidwell getting covid funds intended for small business, and then saying that is ethically correct.

Now you answer my question. Is it justified to give a subsidy to schools of rich families instead of using that money for public schools ?

It’s no different from churches and other non profits getting tax exemptions. And notice that private school parents still pay taxes to subsidize schools their children do not attend. If a private school is for-profit then they should not be tax-exempt. It’s a more principled difference between profit and non-profit, rather than, “I like Churches better so they can do what they want to benefit one group and not another.”

Love when people complain about tax cuts for the rich, but they don’t like to talk about the subsidies for the school. Again, I think as a matter of tax policy it’s reasonable to evaluate if it’s make sense to subsidize rich schools. Clearly is something that you like. Enjoy while it lasts!

I pay lots of taxes to public schools my kid doesn’t attend. I sense you really hate private schools and their communities and their selective nature in principle (totally fair! You’re right to choose!) and should send your child to public instead.

I think it’s totally fair to subsidize families that make +500k

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

Taxed church funds could also go to public schools, or public assistance for the poor, etc. What do you think?

Keep the government hands off my school subsidies !

Your approach: keep the government hands off of non-profits I like! But not entities I dislike because they should admit students my way!

I love the approach by sidwell. Take funds for small business during covid because the law was badly written. Very nice.

By the way. You can always do a straw man argument. But it’s more simple. You can just impose a limit, so richer people pay more taxes. Maybe it’s very hard for you to understand.

I have yet to see you give a principled reason why the churches should enjoy freedoms you don’t want to extend to other non profits.

I just said. I think it’s fine the tax exemptions up to a limit. I do see private schools providing a service mostly to rich families.

What is the basis to subsidize a school for rich families ? What harm would cause not subsidizing sidwell or gds ?
I would be very happy to hear your views on that. Maybe there would be a disaster to humanity if they don’t receive subsidies.


I agree with the tax exemption for schools non profits and churches up to a limit. What is so egregious about that ?

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

Taxed church funds could also go to public schools, or public assistance for the poor, etc. What do you think?

Keep the government hands off my school subsidies !

Your approach: keep the government hands off of non-profits I like! But not entities I dislike because they should admit students my way!

I love the approach by sidwell. Take funds for small business during covid because the law was badly written. Very nice.

By the way. You can always do a straw man argument. But it’s more simple. You can just impose a limit, so richer people pay more taxes. Maybe it’s very hard for you to understand.

I have yet to see you give a principled reason why the churches should enjoy freedoms you don’t want to extend to other non profits.

I just said. I think it’s fine the tax exemptions up to a limit. I do see private schools providing a service mostly to rich families.

What is the basis to subsidize a school for rich families ? What harm would cause not subsidizing sidwell or gds ?
I would be very happy to hear your views on that. Maybe there would be a disaster to humanity if they don’t receive subsidies.


I agree with the tax exemption for schools non profits and churches up to a limit. What is so egregious about that ?

As long as you realize that taxing non-profit schools raises tuition even further and you're okay with that on top of the taxes you already pay to fund public schools. The school my DC attends has been pretty generous with financial aid for those who can't otherwise afford it, but it's still quite a challenge for many of us to afford tuition. So I guess if you had your way, neither of us could afford to send our children to private school. Moreover, if you demand that the government should be able to dictate what a non-profit private school can and cannot do and who they admit and don't admit, I might as well send my DC to public schools anyway. That's not why I wanted to send my DC to private school.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny these posts. Its sounds a lot like “Keep the government hands off my Medicare” schools receive generous government subsidies through tax exemption to later say “we can do whatever we want because we are independent schools”. Pay your taxes and then we talk.

Fine, then refund my taxes that go to public schools because my child is not using those resources because she’s at a private. I bet you the tax exemptions that the private schools get are less than the taxes that parents of private school students pay to fund public schools.