should private and independent school provide accountability and transparency admission

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

But by the same logic why is it okay for churches to be free but not other non profits?

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"We think your family seems like more trouble than they are worth in terms of what they bring to the school" is a very common scenario.

If even a whiff of the entitlement that OP is showing in this thread came out in the interview, I can absolutely understand why their child was not admitted. In any child's school trajectory, there are going to be moments where subjective decisions break their way, or don't break their way. A science fair, a spot on the varsity team, first chair cello, a specific rule in the school play, a debate competition.

Most of these have some objective criteria, plus a little bit of magic sauce where reasonable minds could differ about who did a better job. Not everything can be calculated or measured, and somebody who spends as much time as op does looking for bias where none exists is going to be a nightmare member of a school community.

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The other concept that seems to be missing here is that minority populations are quite well represented at most DC area private schools.

First, if you exclude financial aid (only for the purpose of calculating representativeness), you would start with a universe of people who can afford and choose to spend $50K+ per year per kid. You would be well in-bounds to say that the economic disparity between races is inherent founded in racism. That said, a private school is a private business that has no legal obligation to provide aid. Their choice to do so is only for the purpose of expanding the economic (and, accordingly, racial) diversity of their student body and community. If you start with a universe of families who can afford to pay full retail, I do not believe any minority is particularly underrepresented at many schools.

If you bring in financial aid (in other words, reality), you can then look at the entirety of the population regardless of means.

The overall Washington DC MSA stats are:

Black or African American: 24%
Non-Hispanic White: 43%
Hispanic or Latino: 17%
Asian: 11%
Mixed and other: 6%

At our UNW school, more than half identify as being a “person of color.” I think White and Asian Americans are slightly overrepresented and Hispanics and Blacks very slightly underrepresented (I think the Black population at our school is around 20%).

The punchlines in my opinion are:
1. Schools have every right to build whatever class they want.
2. I think they have generally done a damn good job at cobbling together different kids from all kids of backgrounds who fit together quite well.
3. To impute racism, you’d be saying that when two equally qualified kids apply, the white ones consistently are admitted. In this case, equally qualified means same grades, same ability to pay, same extracurriculars, same personality.

To me, it sounds like the OP doesn’t understand that it’s possible that their kid(s) were denied admission because other kids were preferable. They may have been more pleasant, smarter, a better athlete, wealthier, more interesting.

I have read nothing in these pages that support the thesis that the opacity of the admissions process is a veiled attempt to conceal unjust practices.

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I am struggling to understand your clear disdain for private schools and the private school community (referring to "rich kids" as a pejorative, calling me "elitist parent") while at the same time demanding answers for why these schools did not admit people that you felt should be admitted. Yeah, these are private schools, of course they are going to have wealthy families. And by design are exclusive, and therefore "elite." And they have non-objective admissions so that my friends' kid who had an off day on shadow day was not admitted. But nobody has to attend them if they don't want to because there are public schools which are designed for everyone. Some wealthy families like that and send their kids to public even if they can afford private. Private schools really aren't for everyone. They might be gender exclusive, for example, or they may be for the ultra-religious only. And if they want to balance their class on using any number of shifting factors, including race, gender, or religion, that is still their right.

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I want to found an independent school which only admits Filipino Free Methodist students named Fred who aspire to be Freelance Filmmakers in Fresno. Can a legal expert tell me if this is permissible? The admissions policy is quite clear, though obviously exclusionary and has a target ethnicity and religion.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. They're private. They can admit whomever they want.

Agree. No they do not have to. They are private.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

But by the same logic why is it okay for churches to be free but not other non profits?

A good question. Maybe churches do not deserve either. Right ?

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most private schools that are non-profit

[Anonymous]

It’s funny these posts. Its sounds a lot like “Keep the government hands off my Medicare” schools receive generous government subsidies through tax exemption to later say “we can do whatever we want because we are independent schools”. Pay your taxes and then we talk.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

You pretty much avoided my question. I think both should remain tax exempt. I really love that the multitude of independent options exist for different families, including both the secular and religious schools that might exclude my own child due to religious differences. I neither prefer public schools or the for-profit private school models for my child. But why are you after private schools and not churches or church affiliated schools by the very same principles?

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

Taxed church funds could also go to public schools, or public assistance for the poor, etc. What do you think?

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Anonymous wrote:To me the relevant questions is if schools are explicitly choosing based on race, and if that by itself is legal. Affirmative action no longer exists.

Are you just talking about what’s legal? Then the Supreme Court ruling only affects schools receiving FFA. Whether you agree or not, those are the facts. And even if it did apply, schools should still be able to admit based on subjective measures like character or what interesting life experiences different children bring to a class. Or whether they need more athletes one year and more musicians the next. I have no interest in subjecting these schools to a witch hunt just because I feel someone deserved a spot but didn’t get it. All the children admitted at my child’s school are valuable contributors. Those who did not get in are hopefully thriving elsewhere. Nobody has a basic right to attend any particular private school.

Even though we’ve been through the process and agree it was stressful and a lot of work, I still don’t completely understand the level of obsession over getting into particular schools. I wonder if parents believe certain schools are needed for successful college admissions. They are not. As someone pointed out above, some schools are already quite selective when they admit students, so it’s no real surprise that the students do well when they later apply to colleges. But these same students would have been equally (perhaps even more) successful applying to college out of less selective schools. I’ve heard college admissions officers say that coming from a selective school can be both a blessing and a curse. You have to be a really stunning student to stand out at an Exeter, Harvard Westlake, Thomas Jefferson or Stuyvesant. I’m glad my DC got in at their first choice because they were not challenged at their public option, but if they didn’t get admitted—and that could easily have happened had we not been somewhat lucky—I am 100% confident they would have been completely fine nonetheless.

But wait ! Most private schools are considered non-profits and do receive a form of federal aid by not paying income tax. Could the tax exemption be tretated as a form of federal aid? Maybe not right now, but in practical terms the tax exemption is like money given by the government that they hate so much.

Let’s see if the law is implemented to non-profit schools if they are willing to give up the tax advantage. I don’t think so.

Same with churches. I guess we should have the big hand of government stamp out their freedoms too and accept everyone. No more religious teaching, just like D.E.I. and CRT is out at universities. Get rid of all policies that discriminate against LGTBQ. Or whatever the government deems unfit depending upon the administration at any given time. Seems fair to you? Doesn’t seem right to me.

I understand churches. Why does the government has to subsidize schools for rich kids instead of using the money for public schools ?

Which schools specifically are you talking about? My child is at an independent on financial aid funded by the generosity of donors. The spot was certainly not owed to my child because the school does not accept everyone by design, and DC is getting what is in my opinion is a better education because of less government interference. There are certainly other options that exist for those that want it.

Most likely that school is tax exempted so it is also financies by the generosity of tax payers.

Non-profits are tax exempt while still enjoying certain freedoms. I eagerly await your response about why you feel churches should have freedoms that other non-profits should not enjoy.

As all tax laws, these are not written in the Bible and cannot be change never. They do change and government can provide exemptions up to a limit. Is it justified to subsidize schools for rich families or that money could be used for public schools? What do you think?

You pretty much avoided my question. I think both should remain tax exempt. I really love that the multitude of independent options exist for different families, including both the secular and religious schools that might exclude my own child due to religious differences. I neither prefer public schools or the for-profit private school models for my child. But why are you after private schools and not churches or church affiliated schools by the very same principles?

I didn’t avoid the question. I also love tax exemptions. The question is if that is justified. You sound a lot like sidwell getting covid funds intended for small business, and then saying that is ethically correct.

Now you answer my question. Is it justified to give a subsidy to schools of rich families instead of using that money for public schools ?