When do Cogat scores come back?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

I have a one who got in pre-COVID who had a 132 VQN and one post-COVID who wasn’t even in pool with a 137 VQN. When they changed to local norms the world got a little weird.

So this means by local norms the child is not scoring higher than 90% of peers or something else?

Supposedly. It also means it’s a moving target. You could have a year where top 10% of kids score really really high. And years where they don’t. You’ll also get more kids from larger schools.

All of this is, duh, I know. But it’s just changed.

So basically schools that have higher proportion of test preppers crowd out the normally bright and gifted kids. Hence FCPS revising policy to reduce the weight of test scores and "in pool" status.

I'm saying this as someone whose DC is bright and quite advanced on language and math by my own and DC's teachers' standards but was not in pool

Yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

What was her NNAT score? If the NNAT score was lower, and the in-pool designations were made based on a combination of COGAT and NNAT, she might have just barely missed the in-pool cut off. The good news is that 135 is a great score. If you did the parent referral, and she gets a good HOPE rating from her teacher, she will be very competitive for full-time AAP with a 135.

Thanks for the info! This is super helpful. Her NNAT was 130.

Why did they change the pool to be only top 10% of each school. Those borderline kids who scored over 135 are all hurt by this.

I know! I hope it doesn't ultimately affect her chances because I think she has academic needs that aren't really getting met in the classroom right now. We shall see!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

What was her NNAT score? If the NNAT score was lower, and the in-pool designations were made based on a combination of COGAT and NNAT, she might have just barely missed the in-pool cut off. The good news is that 135 is a great score. If you did the parent referral, and she gets a good HOPE rating from her teacher, she will be very competitive for full-time AAP with a 135.

Thanks for the info! This is super helpful. Her NNAT was 130.

Why did they change the pool to be only top 10% of each school. Those borderline kids who scored over 135 are all hurt by this.

I am confused by this. So before a student could be below the top 10% and still get in pool because they are in the top 10% of the county?? Is this meant to be more equitable because it's addressing local needs/norms?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

What was her NNAT score? If the NNAT score was lower, and the in-pool designations were made based on a combination of COGAT and NNAT, she might have just barely missed the in-pool cut off. The good news is that 135 is a great score. If you did the parent referral, and she gets a good HOPE rating from her teacher, she will be very competitive for full-time AAP with a 135.

Thanks for the info! This is super helpful. Her NNAT was 130.

Why did they change the pool to be only top 10% of each school. Those borderline kids who scored over 135 are all hurt by this.

I am confused by this. So before a student could be below the top 10% and still get in pool because they are in the top 10% of the county?? Is this meant to be more equitable because it's addressing local needs/norms?

Yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

What was her NNAT score? If the NNAT score was lower, and the in-pool designations were made based on a combination of COGAT and NNAT, she might have just barely missed the in-pool cut off. The good news is that 135 is a great score. If you did the parent referral, and she gets a good HOPE rating from her teacher, she will be very competitive for full-time AAP with a 135.

Thanks for the info! This is super helpful. Her NNAT was 130.

Why did they change the pool to be only top 10% of each school. Those borderline kids who scored over 135 are all hurt by this.

I am confused by this. So before a student could be below the top 10% and still get in pool because they are in the top 10% of the county?? Is this meant to be more equitable because it's addressing local needs/norms?

This will help kids at the bottom. Kids at top likely have parents who can refer them. The kids who are likely most hurt are those kids who would have gotten in under old system whose parents don’t refer.

[Anonymous]

For local norms, does anyone know if they are based on base school or school attended (for immersion or other magnet/lottery schools)? I know "in pool" doesn't actually impact chances, just another referral pathway. Just curious if anyone knows what "local" means in this case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For local norms, does anyone know if they are based on base school or school attended (for immersion or other magnet/lottery schools)? I know "in pool" doesn't actually impact chances, just another referral pathway. Just curious if anyone knows what "local" means in this case.

School attending,they compare students in the same building.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

What was her NNAT score? If the NNAT score was lower, and the in-pool designations were made based on a combination of COGAT and NNAT, she might have just barely missed the in-pool cut off. The good news is that 135 is a great score. If you did the parent referral, and she gets a good HOPE rating from her teacher, she will be very competitive for full-time AAP with a 135.

Thanks for the info! This is super helpful. Her NNAT was 130.

Why did they change the pool to be only top 10% of each school. Those borderline kids who scored over 135 are all hurt by this.

I am confused by this. So before a student could be below the top 10% and still get in pool because they are in the top 10% of the county?? Is this meant to be more equitable because it's addressing local needs/norms?

This will help kids at the bottom. Kids at top likely have parents who can refer them. The kids who are likely most hurt are those kids who would have gotten in under old system whose parents don’t refer.

When you say "kids at the bottom" do you mean kids who in a less competitive pyramid/school and have scores that would not have gotten them in pool previously but would now (because the cutoff is relative to school scores not county-wide scores)? Just making sure I understand.

[Anonymous]

Anyone knows if they will post score on parentvue soon? DC is out sick this whole week so we missed the weekly folder.

[Anonymous]

I did not receive an answer on parentvue postings, but I did hear from our AART that our cogat scores were mailed on Monday and we should receive by tomorrow. She told me that if i don't see it in the mail tomorrow to call her and she'll talk to me

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

What was her NNAT score? If the NNAT score was lower, and the in-pool designations were made based on a combination of COGAT and NNAT, she might have just barely missed the in-pool cut off. The good news is that 135 is a great score. If you did the parent referral, and she gets a good HOPE rating from her teacher, she will be very competitive for full-time AAP with a 135.

Thanks for the info! This is super helpful. Her NNAT was 130.

Why did they change the pool to be only top 10% of each school. Those borderline kids who scored over 135 are all hurt by this.

I am confused by this. So before a student could be below the top 10% and still get in pool because they are in the top 10% of the county?? Is this meant to be more equitable because it's addressing local needs/norms?

This will help kids at the bottom. Kids at top likely have parents who can refer them. The kids who are likely most hurt are those kids who would have gotten in under old system whose parents don’t refer.

When you say "kids at the bottom" do you mean kids who in a less competitive pyramid/school and have scores that would not have gotten them in pool previously but would now (because the cutoff is relative to school scores not county-wide scores)? Just making sure I understand.

Yes, kids who may have attended a school that may have sent only 1-2 kids to a center.

[Anonymous]

how are we going to see the cogat result? some says mail, some says the binder and some says parentvue online

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

What was her NNAT score? If the NNAT score was lower, and the in-pool designations were made based on a combination of COGAT and NNAT, she might have just barely missed the in-pool cut off. The good news is that 135 is a great score. If you did the parent referral, and she gets a good HOPE rating from her teacher, she will be very competitive for full-time AAP with a 135.

Thanks for the info! This is super helpful. Her NNAT was 130.

Why did they change the pool to be only top 10% of each school. Those borderline kids who scored over 135 are all hurt by this.

I am confused by this. So before a student could be below the top 10% and still get in pool because they are in the top 10% of the county?? Is this meant to be more equitable because it's addressing local needs/norms?

It used to be there was a County wide score threshold for inclusion in the in-pool group. The problem was that the families that prepped were driving that score up and kids from Title 1 schools and border line schools were not able to hit the ever increasing CoGAT/NNAT score. The County moved from a composite score of 132 to a 132 in the composite or quant sub score to a 132 in any of the sub scores across the CoGAT and NNAT.

The County moved to the school norm so that they could capture the top students at each school and to diminish the inflation of the County wide score due to the prep families at a sub set of schools. The schools with a heavy prep culture are most likely to have parents refer their kids regardless of the scores. The Title 1 and near Title 1 schools are less likely to have kids prepping and inflating scores and they are less likely to have parents refer.

Level IV services are meant to be available to all students who are advanced in FCPS. The reality is that what is advanced is going to be different at different schools and Centers and the local norms address that. The higher SES schools with a lot of students who are ahead have a built in peer group so kids not in LIV should be in a strong peer group and have their needs met with things like Advanced Math and LIII.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did not receive an answer on parentvue postings, but I did hear from our AART that our cogat scores were mailed on Monday and we should receive by tomorrow. She told me that if i don't see it in the mail tomorrow to call her and she'll talk to me

My AART could not provide any information as to when scores would be "sent out", and also could not guarantee that this would happen before winter break...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

What was her NNAT score? If the NNAT score was lower, and the in-pool designations were made based on a combination of COGAT and NNAT, she might have just barely missed the in-pool cut off. The good news is that 135 is a great score. If you did the parent referral, and she gets a good HOPE rating from her teacher, she will be very competitive for full-time AAP with a 135.

Thanks for the info! This is super helpful. Her NNAT was 130.

Why did they change the pool to be only top 10% of each school. Those borderline kids who scored over 135 are all hurt by this.

I am confused by this. So before a student could be below the top 10% and still get in pool because they are in the top 10% of the county?? Is this meant to be more equitable because it's addressing local needs/norms?

It used to be there was a County wide score threshold for inclusion in the in-pool group. The problem was that the families that prepped were driving that score up and kids from Title 1 schools and border line schools were not able to hit the ever increasing CoGAT/NNAT score. The County moved from a composite score of 132 to a 132 in the composite or quant sub score to a 132 in any of the sub scores across the CoGAT and NNAT.

The County moved to the school norm so that they could capture the top students at each school and to diminish the inflation of the County wide score due to the prep families at a sub set of schools. The schools with a heavy prep culture are most likely to have parents refer their kids regardless of the scores. The Title 1 and near Title 1 schools are less likely to have kids prepping and inflating scores and they are less likely to have parents refer.

Level IV services are meant to be available to all students who are advanced in FCPS. The reality is that what is advanced is going to be different at different schools and Centers and the local norms address that. The higher SES schools with a lot of students who are ahead have a built in peer group so kids not in LIV should be in a strong peer group and have their needs met with things like Advanced Math and LIII.

Thank you. This is very well put and aligns with my understanding but clarifies the details.