When do Cogat scores come back?

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Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

What school? What is VQN?

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Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

I have a one who got in pre-COVID who had a 132 VQN and one post-COVID who wasn’t even in pool with a 137 VQN. When they changed to local norms the world got a little weird.

So this means by local norms the child is not scoring higher than 90% of peers or something else?

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Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

I have a one who got in pre-COVID who had a 132 VQN and one post-COVID who wasn’t even in pool with a 137 VQN. When they changed to local norms the world got a little weird.

So this means by local norms the child is not scoring higher than 90% of peers or something else?

Supposedly. It also means it’s a moving target. You could have a year where top 10% of kids score really really high. And years where they don’t. You’ll also get more kids from larger schools.

All of this is, duh, I know. But it’s just changed.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

I have a one who got in pre-COVID who had a 132 VQN and one post-COVID who wasn’t even in pool with a 137 VQN. When they changed to local norms the world got a little weird.

So this means by local norms the child is not scoring higher than 90% of peers or something else?

Supposedly. It also means it’s a moving target. You could have a year where top 10% of kids score really really high. And years where they don’t. You’ll also get more kids from larger schools.

All of this is, duh, I know. But it’s just changed.

So basically schools that have higher proportion of test preppers crowd out the normally bright and gifted kids. Hence FCPS revising policy to reduce the weight of test scores and "in pool" status.

I'm saying this as someone whose DC is bright and quite advanced on language and math by my own and DC's teachers' standards but was not in pool

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

I have a one who got in pre-COVID who had a 132 VQN and one post-COVID who wasn’t even in pool with a 137 VQN. When they changed to local norms the world got a little weird.

So this means by local norms the child is not scoring higher than 90% of peers or something else?

Supposedly. It also means it’s a moving target. You could have a year where top 10% of kids score really really high. And years where they don’t. You’ll also get more kids from larger schools.

All of this is, duh, I know. But it’s just changed.

So basically schools that have higher proportion of test preppers crowd out the normally bright and gifted kids. Hence FCPS revising policy to reduce the weight of test scores and "in pool" status.

I'm saying this as someone whose DC is bright and quite advanced on language and math by my own and DC's teachers' standards but was not in pool

It’s the top 10%. Assuming a standard class size 20-30 kids, that translates to 2-3 kids per class. Is your kid among those 2-3 kids?

[Anonymous]

I received my kid’s cogat score from school today (through the take-home folder). VQN is 137/99 percentile, but I didn't get the in-pool email yesterday. Our school is not highly rated, nor a center school. I did the parent referral so we will see if he gets in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I received my kid’s cogat score from school today (through the take-home folder). VQN is 137/99 percentile, but I didn't get the in-pool email yesterday. Our school is not highly rated, nor a center school. I did the parent referral so we will see if he gets in.

How was the NNAT? I am asking since that’s a really good Cogat score and I am surprised to hear you did not get the in pool email. I know the in pool letter is real because I received one. However I don’t know the cogat score yet.

[Anonymous]

Hayfield pyramid. CogAT 133 VQN. NNAT 137. No in-pool notification.

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How are people receiving cogat scores?

Nothing here in McLean.

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Same in Mclean, no scores. This is borderline ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How are people receiving cogat scores?

Nothing here in McLean.

Paper copy of results sent home in folders today.

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Anonymous wrote:Hayfield pyramid. CogAT 133 VQN. NNAT 137. No in-pool notification.

Which school in Hayfield pyramid? I would assume those scores would be high in that pyramid. I thought Hayfield pyramid was middle of the road.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

What was her NNAT score? If the NNAT score was lower, and the in-pool designations were made based on a combination of COGAT and NNAT, she might have just barely missed the in-pool cut off. The good news is that 135 is a great score. If you did the parent referral, and she gets a good HOPE rating from her teacher, she will be very competitive for full-time AAP with a 135.

Thanks for the info! This is super helpful. Her NNAT was 130.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's VQN was 135 but we did not get the in-pool letter. We do not go to a high SES school. Wow.

Wow indeed. It’s crazy. Pre-covid cut off was always around 132 for in pool.

That's what I had heard! She is my first kid going through this, so trying to figure out this process. Our school is doing Local Full-Time Services for the first time for her class so there is a lot of new info to take in!

What was her NNAT score? If the NNAT score was lower, and the in-pool designations were made based on a combination of COGAT and NNAT, she might have just barely missed the in-pool cut off. The good news is that 135 is a great score. If you did the parent referral, and she gets a good HOPE rating from her teacher, she will be very competitive for full-time AAP with a 135.

Thanks for the info! This is super helpful. Her NNAT was 130.

Why did they change the pool to be only top 10% of each school. Those borderline kids who scored over 135 are all hurt by this.

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And 135 wasn’t borderline before. It was in pool. Borderline would have been 130.