Convince that there are young men who believe in women’s rights

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Eye opening to see most posters have not helped answer OP’s question. Rather, calling OP a cat lady and saying no one cares about the daughter.

It’s a stupid question. How are women fighting for women’s rights. By voting? If that’s all it takes I’m sure OPs daughter can find some like minded men who voted the same way. But it sounds like the real issue is OPs daughter is new and not doing well on the dating scene and it may not be because of politics.

Why does it sound like OP’s daughter is new and not doing well on the dating scene and it may not be because of politics? Explain how you know this?

[Anonymous]

Make fun of the OP's daughter all you want, but the election of Trump felt like a gut-punch for so many young women, not only because of the demeaning way he speaks about women and his history of sexually assaulting women, but also because of the MAGA GOP's stance on abortion which left them feeling as if they were stripped of their personal autonomy. Vance's bizarre comments on the role of women in society didn't help either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a gazillion men that voted for Harris. And for those that didn't, at that age point - 25 and presumably college educated - they are unlikely to be hardcore Trumpers. More likely, is that they are "libertarian" or "pox on both houses" or non-voters entirely. I 100 percent agree to avoid any enthusiastic 25 year old Trump supporters. But among college educated young men, Trump enthusiasm is not typically a thing. But what is real is that there is a majority of young men that do feel disconnected from today's Democratic Party - hispanics, asians, whites, black men, working class, middle class, straight. And it's not at all access to reproductive care for women that's driving it. It's the rest of it. They've been told they are the enemy by progressives their entire lives. So they don't identify with the Democratic Party today.

This +100. My college educated 20-25 yr old DS voted for Trump.
I brought him up well to respect women, hold doors open for them...let them leave an elevator ahead of him. He may not be perfect, but he is a gentleman. But what PP said above is 100% truth. Many women appreciate the gentleman's "southern hospitality"....his current girlfriend included. He is pro-choice...but this election was about so much more than that.

If OP's daughter is a radical feminist, then no...she isn't going to do well with someone like my DS. She needs to find someone willing to put up with radical feminism. Which is definitely a thing and has turned off many men of all races. Just like women don't want the extreme machismo men who expect a woman to be pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen...men also don't want the extreme radical feminists who go to the opposite extreme. Most young men, including my DS, simply want to find someone who is willing to meet them in the middle.

The Democratic Party is where all the radical feminists are and that's fine - you do you. But don't criticize young men for wanting a more traditional relationship, for choosing to open doors for ladies. FWIW - my DS cooks and cleans (not always the best tasting or the cleanest though lol), knows to respect women and wants what most young men want...a good job and a wife and family some day.

If OP's daughter is so distraught she should understand that picking a date simply based on who they voted for is ridiculous. Period.

This post sounds like it came from the 1950s. Can you please define what you mean by “radical feminism” and why OP’s daughter is “radical” because she wants date a man who believes women should have rights? I don’t think OP even used the word abortion btw. Let me guess, you can’t wait to put Project 25 into play and put women back in their place.

PP you are responding to, who by the way is a college educated professional working woman. A radical feminist is the opposite extreme of the misogynist machismo male.

Fact: Not all men who voted for Trump believe women shouldn't have rights or that they shouldn't be able to choose to have an abortion. Seriously myopic view. The whole 4B movement is full of radical feminists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are a gazillion men that voted for Harris. And for those that didn't, at that age point - 25 and presumably college educated - they are unlikely to be hardcore Trumpers. More likely, is that they are "libertarian" or "pox on both houses" or non-voters entirely. I 100 percent agree to avoid any enthusiastic 25 year old Trump supporters. But among college educated young men, Trump enthusiasm is not typically a thing. But what is real is that there is a majority of young men that do feel disconnected from today's Democratic Party - hispanics, asians, whites, black men, working class, middle class, straight. And it's not at all access to reproductive care for women that's driving it. It's the rest of it. They've been told they are the enemy by progressives their entire lives. So they don't identify with the Democratic Party today.

This +100. My college educated 20-25 yr old DS voted for Trump.
I brought him up well to respect women, hold doors open for them...let them leave an elevator ahead of him. He may not be perfect, but he is a gentleman. But what PP said above is 100% truth. Many women appreciate the gentleman's "southern hospitality"....his current girlfriend included. He is pro-choice...but this election was about so much more than that.

If OP's daughter is a radical feminist, then no...she isn't going to do well with someone like my DS. She needs to find someone willing to put up with radical feminism. Which is definitely a thing and has turned off many men of all races. Just like women don't want the extreme machismo men who expect a woman to be pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen...men also don't want the extreme radical feminists who go to the opposite extreme. Most young men, including my DS, simply want to find someone who is willing to meet them in the middle.

The Democratic Party is where all the radical feminists are and that's fine - you do you. But don't criticize young men for wanting a more traditional relationship, for choosing to open doors for ladies. FWIW - my DS cooks and cleans (not always the best tasting or the cleanest though lol), knows to respect women and wants what most young men want...a good job and a wife and family some day.

If OP's daughter is so distraught she should understand that picking a date simply based on who they voted for is ridiculous. Period.

This post sounds like it came from the 1950s. Can you please define what you mean by “radical feminism” and why OP’s daughter is “radical” because she wants date a man who believes women should have rights? I don’t think OP even used the word abortion btw. Let me guess, you can’t wait to put Project 25 into play and put women back in their place.

PP you are responding to, who by the way is a college educated professional working woman. A radical feminist is the opposite extreme of the misogynist machismo male.

Fact: Not all men who voted for Trump believe women shouldn't have rights or that they shouldn't be able to choose to have an abortion. Seriously myopic view. The whole 4B movement is full of radical feminists.

^^Plus I voted for Harris but only as an anti-Trump voter. But I respect my son for voting for Trump...I almost did.

[Anonymous]

I’m a 7S graduate and both my hs sons are feminists. They think Andrew Tate et al are ridiculous. That said, I look over their shoulders when they are online and engage with them about what they are watching. Also, if I read an article about young male misogyny, I ask them what they think, etc. It takes a lot of diligence sadly, but I believe an early start helped.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eye opening to see most posters have not helped answer OP’s question. Rather, calling OP a cat lady and saying no one cares about the daughter.

It’s a stupid question. How are women fighting for women’s rights. By voting? If that’s all it takes I’m sure OPs daughter can find some like minded men who voted the same way. But it sounds like the real issue is OPs daughter is new and not doing well on the dating scene and it may not be because of politics.

Why does it sound like OP’s daughter is new and not doing well on the dating scene and it may not be because of politics? Explain how you know this?

Because OP tells us: daughter who just moved to new city with a new job, has lost her faith in men

And: I am trying to convince her that there are supportive kind men out there

This sounds exactly like someone having dating issues. There are other fish in the sea? Come on. She can’t find a boyfriend in her new city and doesn’t like the one’s she is meeting. Otherwise why did she write off all the men who do vote like her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 18 year old son voted for Trump because he was outraged that his legal immigrant grandfather receives $350x4 per month for social security after working hard for 30 years in this country. 350 per week is how much the migrants are getting on debit cards in NYC for having broken the law. The absurdity of it all is enough to enrage people. I wish we had the ability to prioritize womens rights, but sadly these issues are more pressing. Solve them and we will vote for women's rights in the future.

Does your son realize under trump his beloved grandfather won't have any Social Security at all.

[Anonymous]

I think it would be a very difficult marriage if one was a thumping Trumpster and the other a solid democrat.

If she’s in a red state she’s up the creek, move to a solid blue state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 18 year old son voted for Trump because he was outraged that his legal immigrant grandfather receives $350x4 per month for social security after working hard for 30 years in this country. 350 per week is how much the migrants are getting on debit cards in NYC for having broken the law. The absurdity of it all is enough to enrage people. I wish we had the ability to prioritize womens rights, but sadly these issues are more pressing. Solve them and we will vote for women's rights in the future.

Does your son realize under trump his beloved grandfather won't have any Social Security at all.

He worked 30 years, contributed to SS, he deserves his check. Hopefully he has other income and not surviving on just $1,400 a month.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 18 year old son voted for Trump because he was outraged that his legal immigrant grandfather receives $350x4 per month for social security after working hard for 30 years in this country. 350 per week is how much the migrants are getting on debit cards in NYC for having broken the law. The absurdity of it all is enough to enrage people. I wish we had the ability to prioritize womens rights, but sadly these issues are more pressing. Solve them and we will vote for women's rights in the future.

Does your son realize under trump his beloved grandfather won't have any Social Security at all.

He worked 30 years, contributed to SS, he deserves his check. Hopefully he has other income and not surviving on just $1,400 a month.

FYI 1400/mnth is considered the poverty level.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a gazillion men that voted for Harris. And for those that didn't, at that age point - 25 and presumably college educated - they are unlikely to be hardcore Trumpers. More likely, is that they are "libertarian" or "pox on both houses" or non-voters entirely. I 100 percent agree to avoid any enthusiastic 25 year old Trump supporters. But among college educated young men, Trump enthusiasm is not typically a thing. But what is real is that there is a majority of young men that do feel disconnected from today's Democratic Party - hispanics, asians, whites, black men, working class, middle class, straight. And it's not at all access to reproductive care for women that's driving it. It's the rest of it. They've been told they are the enemy by progressives their entire lives. So they don't identify with the Democratic Party today.

This +100. My college educated 20-25 yr old DS voted for Trump.
I brought him up well to respect women, hold doors open for them...let them leave an elevator ahead of him. He may not be perfect, but he is a gentleman. But what PP said above is 100% truth. Many women appreciate the gentleman's "southern hospitality"....his current girlfriend included. He is pro-choice...but this election was about so much more than that.

If OP's daughter is a radical feminist, then no...she isn't going to do well with someone like my DS. She needs to find someone willing to put up with radical feminism. Which is definitely a thing and has turned off many men of all races. Just like women don't want the extreme machismo men who expect a woman to be pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen...men also don't want the extreme radical feminists who go to the opposite extreme. Most young men, including my DS, simply want to find someone who is willing to meet them in the middle.

The Democratic Party is where all the radical feminists are and that's fine - you do you. But don't criticize young men for wanting a more traditional relationship, for choosing to open doors for ladies. FWIW - my DS cooks and cleans (not always the best tasting or the cleanest though lol), knows to respect women and wants what most young men want...a good job and a wife and family some day.

If OP's daughter is so distraught she should understand that picking a date simply based on who they voted for is ridiculous. Period.

This post sounds like it came from the 1950s. Can you please define what you mean by “radical feminism” and why OP’s daughter is “radical” because she wants date a man who believes women should have rights? I don’t think OP even used the word abortion btw. Let me guess, you can’t wait to put Project 25 into play and put women back in their place.

PP you are responding to, who by the way is a college educated professional working woman. A radical feminist is the opposite extreme of the misogynist machismo male.

Fact: Not all men who voted for Trump believe women shouldn't have rights or that they shouldn't be able to choose to have an abortion. Seriously myopic view. The whole 4B movement is full of radical feminists.

You still haven’t defined what a radical feminist is

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:There are a gazillion men that voted for Harris. And for those that didn't, at that age point - 25 and presumably college educated - they are unlikely to be hardcore Trumpers. More likely, is that they are "libertarian" or "pox on both houses" or non-voters entirely. I 100 percent agree to avoid any enthusiastic 25 year old Trump supporters. But among college educated young men, Trump enthusiasm is not typically a thing. But what is real is that there is a majority of young men that do feel disconnected from today's Democratic Party - hispanics, asians, whites, black men, working class, middle class, straight. And it's not at all access to reproductive care for women that's driving it. It's the rest of it. They've been told they are the enemy by progressives their entire lives. So they don't identify with the Democratic Party today.

This +100. My college educated 20-25 yr old DS voted for Trump.
I brought him up well to respect women, hold doors open for them...let them leave an elevator ahead of him. He may not be perfect, but he is a gentleman. But what PP said above is 100% truth. Many women appreciate the gentleman's "southern hospitality"....his current girlfriend included. He is pro-choice...but this election was about so much more than that.

If OP's daughter is a radical feminist, then no...she isn't going to do well with someone like my DS. She needs to find someone willing to put up with radical feminism. Which is definitely a thing and has turned off many men of all races. Just like women don't want the extreme machismo men who expect a woman to be pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen...men also don't want the extreme radical feminists who go to the opposite extreme. Most young men, including my DS, simply want to find someone who is willing to meet them in the middle.

The Democratic Party is where all the radical feminists are and that's fine - you do you. But don't criticize young men for wanting a more traditional relationship, for choosing to open doors for ladies. FWIW - my DS cooks and cleans (not always the best tasting or the cleanest though lol), knows to respect women and wants what most young men want...a good job and a wife and family some day.

If OP's daughter is so distraught she should understand that picking a date simply based on who they voted for is ridiculous. Period.

This post sounds like it came from the 1950s. Can you please define what you mean by “radical feminism” and why OP’s daughter is “radical” because she wants date a man who believes women should have rights? I don’t think OP even used the word abortion btw. Let me guess, you can’t wait to put Project 25 into play and put women back in their place.

PP you are responding to, who by the way is a college educated professional working woman. A radical feminist is the opposite extreme of the misogynist machismo male.

Fact: Not all men who voted for Trump believe women shouldn't have rights or that they shouldn't be able to choose to have an abortion. Seriously myopic view. The whole 4B movement is full of radical feminists.

You still haven’t defined what a radical feminist is

No wonder Harris lost...you are all so obtuse. A radical feminist is someone who hates men - anti-men, anti white men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it would be a very difficult marriage if one was a thumping Trumpster and the other a solid democrat.

If she’s in a red state she’s up the creek, move to a solid blue state.

She didn't say anything about marriage, just dating. But regardless of what state she's in, I don't think it's a terrible idea to start by checking out the pool of Harris voting men. If they support the same candidate, they may agree on a lot of issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a gazillion men that voted for Harris. And for those that didn't, at that age point - 25 and presumably college educated - they are unlikely to be hardcore Trumpers. More likely, is that they are "libertarian" or "pox on both houses" or non-voters entirely. I 100 percent agree to avoid any enthusiastic 25 year old Trump supporters. But among college educated young men, Trump enthusiasm is not typically a thing. But what is real is that there is a majority of young men that do feel disconnected from today's Democratic Party - hispanics, asians, whites, black men, working class, middle class, straight. And it's not at all access to reproductive care for women that's driving it. It's the rest of it. They've been told they are the enemy by progressives their entire lives. So they don't identify with the Democratic Party today.

This +100. My college educated 20-25 yr old DS voted for Trump.
I brought him up well to respect women, hold doors open for them...let them leave an elevator ahead of him. He may not be perfect, but he is a gentleman. But what PP said above is 100% truth. Many women appreciate the gentleman's "southern hospitality"....his current girlfriend included. He is pro-choice...but this election was about so much more than that.

If OP's daughter is a radical feminist, then no...she isn't going to do well with someone like my DS. She needs to find someone willing to put up with radical feminism. Which is definitely a thing and has turned off many men of all races. Just like women don't want the extreme machismo men who expect a woman to be pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen...men also don't want the extreme radical feminists who go to the opposite extreme. Most young men, including my DS, simply want to find someone who is willing to meet them in the middle.

The Democratic Party is where all the radical feminists are and that's fine - you do you. But don't criticize young men for wanting a more traditional relationship, for choosing to open doors for ladies. FWIW - my DS cooks and cleans (not always the best tasting or the cleanest though lol), knows to respect women and wants what most young men want...a good job and a wife and family some day.

If OP's daughter is so distraught she should understand that picking a date simply based on who they voted for is ridiculous. Period.

This post sounds like it came from the 1950s. Can you please define what you mean by “radical feminism” and why OP’s daughter is “radical” because she wants date a man who believes women should have rights? I don’t think OP even used the word abortion btw. Let me guess, you can’t wait to put Project 25 into play and put women back in their place.

PP you are responding to, who by the way is a college educated professional working woman. A radical feminist is the opposite extreme of the misogynist machismo male.

Fact: Not all men who voted for Trump believe women shouldn't have rights or that they shouldn't be able to choose to have an abortion. Seriously myopic view. The whole 4B movement is full of radical feminists.

You still haven’t defined what a radical feminist is

No wonder Harris lost...you are all so obtuse. A radical feminist is someone who hates men - anti-men, anti white men.

I don’t think soap said she or her daughter hate all men. DD is looking for decent men who support women’s rights. Why do you think that’s radical?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would question if your daughter is ready for a relationship.
If your daughter (or son) cannot:
Have difficult communication and conversations with out defensiveness or judgement
Have respect for another’s feeling needs and boundaries
Be willing to flexibility adjust needs and desires to find a solution that works for both partners
Have mutual respect, and a willingness to give and take, ensuring that neither person feels like they are constantly sacrificing their needs for the other
IE- understand that her/his partner is an entirely separate being and that it is not always one’s own way. Not my way, not my partners way but many times it’s the third way that wins.
There are very few reasons that a couple is so different it will never work. Politics is NOT one of them.
Go read Gottman.

I see what you're trying to say but there are some issues where there really is just not much middle ground. I don't really want to date a person that thinks I'm a murderer or that I am fine with murderers. Sorry.

Not sure why you say this. Can you explain?
How is there no middle ground? Who is a murderer and why? Are you saying you are pro choice and would never date anyone who does not believe exactly like you do regarding abortion?

Is an abortion killing a baby??

You don’t answer and asked me a question. You stated no middle ground, but there is all shades of middle ground from what I see .