Convince that there are young men who believe in women’s rights

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would question if your daughter is ready for a relationship.
If your daughter (or son) cannot:
Have difficult communication and conversations with out defensiveness or judgement
Have respect for another’s feeling needs and boundaries
Be willing to flexibility adjust needs and desires to find a solution that works for both partners
Have mutual respect, and a willingness to give and take, ensuring that neither person feels like they are constantly sacrificing their needs for the other
IE- understand that her/his partner is an entirely separate being and that it is not always one’s own way. Not my way, not my partners way but many times it’s the third way that wins.
There are very few reasons that a couple is so different it will never work. Politics is NOT one of them.
Go read Gottman.

I see what you're trying to say but there are some issues where there really is just not much middle ground. I don't really want to date a person that thinks I'm a murderer or that I am fine with murderers. Sorry.

Not sure why you say this. Can you explain?
How is there no middle ground? Who is a murderer and why? Are you saying you are pro choice and would never date anyone who does not believe exactly like you do regarding abortion?

Is an abortion killing a baby??

You don’t answer and asked me a question. You stated no middle ground, but there is all shades of middle ground from what I see .

Okay shady. Are you saying that in your opinion, an abortion is killing a baby at a certain point in the pregnancy. In your opinion, at what point??

[Anonymous]

My god, OP. Your daughter sounds like a spoiled, insufferable baby.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would question if your daughter is ready for a relationship.
If your daughter (or son) cannot:
Have difficult communication and conversations with out defensiveness or judgement
Have respect for another’s feeling needs and boundaries
Be willing to flexibility adjust needs and desires to find a solution that works for both partners
Have mutual respect, and a willingness to give and take, ensuring that neither person feels like they are constantly sacrificing their needs for the other
IE- understand that her/his partner is an entirely separate being and that it is not always one’s own way. Not my way, not my partners way but many times it’s the third way that wins.
There are very few reasons that a couple is so different it will never work. Politics is NOT one of them.
Go read Gottman.

This PP is out his or her mind. And women’s rights is far more than just your everyday politics

Can you clear this up for me? Are you speaking of women’s rights in general, or are you speaking about abortion rights in particular?

We are talking about a young single woman in her twenties. She would prefer not to date someone that voted for Donald Trump. This is not difficult to understand.

“Women’s rights is far more than just your everyday politics”
What does that mean to you? I a, asking a question and you say the answer is easy, but it’s not. What if guy voted Biden in 2000 and Trump this time. Is he ok or not. What is guy voted Trump 2000 and Harris 2024, Is he ok then?
Does potential future boyfriend/husband have to only agree with her political outlook or can he have any of his own opinion?
If case 3 above, I stick to my original point, she is not ready to be dating anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would question if your daughter is ready for a relationship.
If your daughter (or son) cannot:
Have difficult communication and conversations with out defensiveness or judgement
Have respect for another’s feeling needs and boundaries
Be willing to flexibility adjust needs and desires to find a solution that works for both partners
Have mutual respect, and a willingness to give and take, ensuring that neither person feels like they are constantly sacrificing their needs for the other
IE- understand that her/his partner is an entirely separate being and that it is not always one’s own way. Not my way, not my partners way but many times it’s the third way that wins.
There are very few reasons that a couple is so different it will never work. Politics is NOT one of them.
Go read Gottman.

This PP is out his or her mind. And women’s rights is far more than just your everyday politics

Can you clear this up for me? Are you speaking of women’s rights in general, or are you speaking about abortion rights in particular?

We are talking about a young single woman in her twenties. She would prefer not to date someone that voted for Donald Trump. This is not difficult to understand.

“Women’s rights is far more than just your everyday politics”
What does that mean to you? I a, asking a question and you say the answer is easy, but it’s not. What if guy voted Biden in 2000 and Trump this time. Is he ok or not. What is guy voted Trump 2000 and Harris 2024, Is he ok then?
Does potential future boyfriend/husband have to only agree with her political outlook or can he have any of his own opinion?
If case 3 above, I stick to my original point, she is not ready to be dating anyone.

This isn't ridiculous thing to debate . The op has to answer those questions for herself because she's the one that is going to be in the relationship with the person. Who cares what you think or what I think? It's not your date or my date.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are a gazillion men that voted for Harris. And for those that didn't, at that age point - 25 and presumably college educated - they are unlikely to be hardcore Trumpers. More likely, is that they are "libertarian" or "pox on both houses" or non-voters entirely. I 100 percent agree to avoid any enthusiastic 25 year old Trump supporters. But among college educated young men, Trump enthusiasm is not typically a thing. But what is real is that there is a majority of young men that do feel disconnected from today's Democratic Party - hispanics, asians, whites, black men, working class, middle class, straight. And it's not at all access to reproductive care for women that's driving it. It's the rest of it. They've been told they are the enemy by progressives their entire lives. So they don't identify with the Democratic Party today.

This +100. My college educated 20-25 yr old DS voted for Trump.
I brought him up well to respect women, hold doors open for them...let them leave an elevator ahead of him. He may not be perfect, but he is a gentleman. But what PP said above is 100% truth. Many women appreciate the gentleman's "southern hospitality"....his current girlfriend included. He is pro-choice...but this election was about so much more than that.

If OP's daughter is a radical feminist, then no...she isn't going to do well with someone like my DS. She needs to find someone willing to put up with radical feminism. Which is definitely a thing and has turned off many men of all races. Just like women don't want the extreme machismo men who expect a woman to be pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen...men also don't want the extreme radical feminists who go to the opposite extreme. Most young men, including my DS, simply want to find someone who is willing to meet them in the middle.

The Democratic Party is where all the radical feminists are and that's fine - you do you. But don't criticize young men for wanting a more traditional relationship, for choosing to open doors for ladies. FWIW - my DS cooks and cleans (not always the best tasting or the cleanest though lol), knows to respect women and wants what most young men want...a good job and a wife and family some day.

If OP's daughter is so distraught she should understand that picking a date simply based on who they voted for is ridiculous. Period.

This post sounds like it came from the 1950s. Can you please define what you mean by “radical feminism” and why OP’s daughter is “radical” because she wants date a man who believes women should have rights? I don’t think OP even used the word abortion btw. Let me guess, you can’t wait to put Project 25 into play and put women back in their place.

PP you are responding to, who by the way is a college educated professional working woman. A radical feminist is the opposite extreme of the misogynist machismo male.

Fact: Not all men who voted for Trump believe women shouldn't have rights or that they shouldn't be able to choose to have an abortion. Seriously myopic view. The whole 4B movement is full of radical feminists.

You still haven’t defined what a radical feminist is

No wonder Harris lost...you are all so obtuse. A radical feminist is someone who hates men - anti-men, anti white men.

I don’t think soap said she or her daughter hate all men. DD is looking for decent men who support women’s rights. Why do you think that’s radical?

OP not soap

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would question if your daughter is ready for a relationship.
If your daughter (or son) cannot:
Have difficult communication and conversations with out defensiveness or judgement
Have respect for another’s feeling needs and boundaries
Be willing to flexibility adjust needs and desires to find a solution that works for both partners
Have mutual respect, and a willingness to give and take, ensuring that neither person feels like they are constantly sacrificing their needs for the other
IE- understand that her/his partner is an entirely separate being and that it is not always one’s own way. Not my way, not my partners way but many times it’s the third way that wins.
There are very few reasons that a couple is so different it will never work. Politics is NOT one of them.
Go read Gottman.

This PP is out his or her mind. And women’s rights is far more than just your everyday politics

Can you clear this up for me? Are you speaking of women’s rights in general, or are you speaking about abortion rights in particular?

We are talking about a young single woman in her twenties. She would prefer not to date someone that voted for Donald Trump. This is not difficult to understand.

“Women’s rights is far more than just your everyday politics”
What does that mean to you? I a, asking a question and you say the answer is easy, but it’s not. What if guy voted Biden in 2000 and Trump this time. Is he ok or not. What is guy voted Trump 2000 and Harris 2024, Is he ok then?
Does potential future boyfriend/husband have to only agree with her political outlook or can he have any of his own opinion?
If case 3 above, I stick to my original point, she is not ready to be dating anyone.

+100
Sounds like the OP's daughter will never be able to respect political differences of others, let alone anyone she dates or marries. My spouse and I have very different political views, but we respect and love one another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would question if your daughter is ready for a relationship.
If your daughter (or son) cannot:
Have difficult communication and conversations with out defensiveness or judgement
Have respect for another’s feeling needs and boundaries
Be willing to flexibility adjust needs and desires to find a solution that works for both partners
Have mutual respect, and a willingness to give and take, ensuring that neither person feels like they are constantly sacrificing their needs for the other
IE- understand that her/his partner is an entirely separate being and that it is not always one’s own way. Not my way, not my partners way but many times it’s the third way that wins.
There are very few reasons that a couple is so different it will never work. Politics is NOT one of them.
Go read Gottman.

This PP is out his or her mind. And women’s rights is far more than just your everyday politics

Can you clear this up for me? Are you speaking of women’s rights in general, or are you speaking about abortion rights in particular?

We are talking about a young single woman in her twenties. She would prefer not to date someone that voted for Donald Trump. This is not difficult to understand.

“Women’s rights is far more than just your everyday politics”
What does that mean to you? I a, asking a question and you say the answer is easy, but it’s not. What if guy voted Biden in 2000 and Trump this time. Is he ok or not. What is guy voted Trump 2000 and Harris 2024, Is he ok then?
Does potential future boyfriend/husband have to only agree with her political outlook or can he have any of his own opinion?
If case 3 above, I stick to my original point, she is not ready to be dating anyone.

+100
Sounds like the OP's daughter will never be able to respect political differences of others, let alone anyone she dates or marries. My spouse and I have very different political views, but we respect and love one another.

Good for you but she's not dating you or your spouse. She doesn't respect Donald Trump. So what? Sounds like she will be happier finding a date who also doesn't respect Donald Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 25 yr old daughter, who just moved to new city with a new job, has lost her faith in men. After America chose a misogynistic rapist to lead our country, she believes there are no men worth dating. She’s scared for her future and wants nothing to do with men. I am trying to convince her that there are supportive kind men out there (including her own father). Can you share examples of young men fighting for women’s rights?

Yes. They are in the US military and are either fighting for or willing to fight for the rights of women as well as men. However, your daughter is not worthy of them.

Have you ever met some members of the military?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 25 yr old daughter, who just moved to new city with a new job, has lost her faith in men. After America chose a misogynistic rapist to lead our country, she believes there are no men worth dating. She’s scared for her future and wants nothing to do with men. I am trying to convince her that there are supportive kind men out there (including her own father). Can you share examples of young men fighting for women’s rights?

Omg - this is why liberal women are miserable - creating their own victim-hood to be miserable and unhappy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My god, OP. Your daughter sounds like a spoiled, insufferable baby.

You know it’s funny… what I hear from Trump voters is how tired they are of being called stupid, racist, ignorant, etc. And we can debate whether or not clearly articulated statements have come out of that campaign that would fit those adjectives. But here’s OP on this thread, explaining that her daughter feels alienated from many of her male peers. She’s correctly noting that a significant proportion of the cohort her daughter would date is embracing a party that has been openly hostile to women. There is no debate about that. And in response, this poster calls OP’s daughter is spoiled, insufferable baby.

This is one of the main reasons I have such trouble taking many Trump voters seriously. It’s impossible to have conversations with people who stomp their feet about something and then turn around and do that exact same thing in a conversation where no one asked them to. Nobody asked anybody to weigh in with this level of vitriol for OP‘s daughter. OP didn’t start a thread insulting anyone. In fact, she started a thread lamenting her concern for someone she cares about, her child. Which is something that any voter of any demographic could relate to. And yet, we have an entire thread of people lobbing insults at both women, a la the poster above. It’s really something to behold.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My 25 yr old daughter, who just moved to new city with a new job, has lost her faith in men. After America chose a misogynistic rapist to lead our country, she believes there are no men worth dating. She’s scared for her future and wants nothing to do with men. I am trying to convince her that there are supportive kind men out there (including her own father). Can you share examples of young men fighting for women’s rights?

Omg - this is why liberal women are miserable - creating their own victim-hood to be miserable and unhappy.

+100
No doubt OP's daughter has made a teary TikTok, pleading with her viewers to explain how this could have happened. Insufferable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My god, OP. Your daughter sounds like a spoiled, insufferable baby.

You know it’s funny… what I hear from Trump voters is how tired they are of being called stupid, racist, ignorant, etc. And we can debate whether or not clearly articulated statements have come out of that campaign that would fit those adjectives. But here’s OP on this thread, explaining that her daughter feels alienated from many of her male peers. She’s correctly noting that a significant proportion of the cohort her daughter would date is embracing a party that has been openly hostile to women. There is no debate about that. And in response, this poster calls OP’s daughter is spoiled, insufferable baby.

This is one of the main reasons I have such trouble taking many Trump voters seriously. It’s impossible to have conversations with people who stomp their feet about something and then turn around and do that exact same thing in a conversation where no one asked them to. Nobody asked anybody to weigh in with this level of vitriol for OP‘s daughter. OP didn’t start a thread insulting anyone. In fact, she started a thread lamenting her concern for someone she cares about, her child. Which is something that any voter of any demographic could relate to. And yet, we have an entire thread of people lobbing insults at both women, a la the poster above. It’s really something to behold.

You know what's really something to behold? The fact that you completely ignore the over-the-top melodrama and hyperbole of the OP's post. No doubt, she has passed on her gift for exaggeration and drama to her daughter. Let's take a look at the OP again:

"My 25 yr old daughter, who just moved to new city with a new job, has lost her faith in men. After America chose a misogynistic rapist to lead our country, she believes there are no men worth dating. She’s scared for her future and wants nothing to do with men. I am trying to convince her that there are supportive kind men out there (including her own father). Can you share examples of young men fighting for women’s rights?"

Does this sound like a stable person to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Make fun of the OP's daughter all you want, but the election of Trump felt like a gut-punch for so many young women, not only because of the demeaning way he speaks about women and his history of sexually assaulting women, but also because of the MAGA GOP's stance on abortion which left them feeling as if they were stripped of their personal autonomy. Vance's bizarre comments on the role of women in society didn't help either.

But Harris marrying an abusive man is cool? The Democrats zero regard for allowing illegals to rape, murder and traffic women is cool?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would question if your daughter is ready for a relationship.
If your daughter (or son) cannot:
Have difficult communication and conversations with out defensiveness or judgement
Have respect for another’s feeling needs and boundaries
Be willing to flexibility adjust needs and desires to find a solution that works for both partners
Have mutual respect, and a willingness to give and take, ensuring that neither person feels like they are constantly sacrificing their needs for the other
IE- understand that her/his partner is an entirely separate being and that it is not always one’s own way. Not my way, not my partners way but many times it’s the third way that wins.
There are very few reasons that a couple is so different it will never work. Politics is NOT one of them.
Go read Gottman.

This PP is out his or her mind. And women’s rights is far more than just your everyday politics

Can you clear this up for me? Are you speaking of women’s rights in general, or are you speaking about abortion rights in particular?

We are talking about a young single woman in her twenties. She would prefer not to date someone that voted for Donald Trump. This is not difficult to understand.

“Women’s rights is far more than just your everyday politics”
What does that mean to you? I a, asking a question and you say the answer is easy, but it’s not. What if guy voted Biden in 2000 and Trump this time. Is he ok or not. What is guy voted Trump 2000 and Harris 2024, Is he ok then?
Does potential future boyfriend/husband have to only agree with her political outlook or can he have any of his own opinion?
If case 3 above, I stick to my original point, she is not ready to be dating anyone.

+100
Sounds like the OP's daughter will never be able to respect political differences of others, let alone anyone she dates or marries. My spouse and I have very different political views, but we respect and love one another.

Thank you! I believe you see what I am saying here. The OP daughter has a lot of work to do on herself before she should entertain being in a relationship.
If “how did you vote” with out further openness to a real discussion about it is an automatic disqualification, she should be no where near a relationship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 25 yr old daughter, who just moved to new city with a new job, has lost her faith in men. After America chose a misogynistic rapist to lead our country, she believes there are no men worth dating. She’s scared for her future and wants nothing to do with men. I am trying to convince her that there are supportive kind men out there (including her own father). Can you share examples of young men fighting for women’s rights?

Tell her to go to reddit and just read the front page posts. Most young men there are fighting alongside the women.