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Anonymous wrote:Its fascinating to me how angry the pro-phone group is. They are claiming everyone who wants phones out of schools are MAGA or whatever.

First off, we are a very liberal family, and we are 100% with no phones in school.

I still haven't heard why kids need their phones in school, just screeds about how its punishment not to have them or why we can't police our own kids.

That's the thing. We can police our own kids, mine are very mindful of the phone (i screentime them and see their usage during the day) -- but half the kids in the school are checked out on their phone, and it makes it so you have to go on your phone or you look like some weirdo trying to make friends IRL. How quaint. Its a culture now where everyone is ignoring each other and on their phones, to do otherwise flirts with social catastrophe.

If we are letting kids have phones all day in school, why not let them have Nintendos, DVD players, lego sets, or whatever. Everything has a time and place, and school is for focused learning -- and the attention stealing of a phone, which has been shown to be more enthralling then using a laptop, needs to be halted.

One thing of note, all the top private schools have been banning phones to a much larger degree, often all day long. And they have a much easier time monitoring in class violations because of much smaller classes and the real threat of expulsion -- and yet they still do widespread bans. They know their students performance will drop if they let them become 'zombies' and that is their top priority.

I also think it’s funny how no phones is now being considered some MAGA. I always associate no phones/low tech with the liberal , granola type parents

Granola, parent here, and I’m still trying to understand why people are so adamant having phones in school? Every time I ask, I just get insulted rather than an answer

They are very anxious about not being able to reach their child 24/7 at a moments notice. Various other reasons are given but it comes down to parental anxiety.

I am anti-ban and don't talk or text with my children during the day. The real parental anxiety is that you haven't taught your kids how to use their phone responsibly, yet somehow you give it to them anyway...

And your reason for them needing cell phones...?

I see no reason for them not to have their phones. Their grades and social skills are excellent and its not been an issue for years. There is no reason to take their phones away because other kids can't handle it. It feels punitive to them and that they are not trusted when they have done nothing wrong. Punish the kids breaking the (already existing) rules about phone use at school.

So your reason is that your kids deserve to have their phones? But why? They can learn to live without for a few hours a day.

This. If the policy "feels like a punishment" it sounds to me like they have been using their phone a lot at school, regardless of what they are telling you. Even if they are the absolute perfect phone user, they would still benefit from a school culture where all the kids are freed from the phones and can interact without them and their classes don't have to be derailed by teachers constantly looking for/having conflict with classmates over breaking the rules. This is a collective problem that needs a collective solution. She can text you and her friends and update TikTok after school.

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Anonymous wrote:Its fascinating to me how angry the pro-phone group is. They are claiming everyone who wants phones out of schools are MAGA or whatever.

First off, we are a very liberal family, and we are 100% with no phones in school.

I still haven't heard why kids need their phones in school, just screeds about how its punishment not to have them or why we can't police our own kids.

That's the thing. We can police our own kids, mine are very mindful of the phone (i screentime them and see their usage during the day) -- but half the kids in the school are checked out on their phone, and it makes it so you have to go on your phone or you look like some weirdo trying to make friends IRL. How quaint. Its a culture now where everyone is ignoring each other and on their phones, to do otherwise flirts with social catastrophe.

If we are letting kids have phones all day in school, why not let them have Nintendos, DVD players, lego sets, or whatever. Everything has a time and place, and school is for focused learning -- and the attention stealing of a phone, which has been shown to be more enthralling then using a laptop, needs to be halted.

One thing of note, all the top private schools have been banning phones to a much larger degree, often all day long. And they have a much easier time monitoring in class violations because of much smaller classes and the real threat of expulsion -- and yet they still do widespread bans. They know their students performance will drop if they let them become 'zombies' and that is their top priority.

I also think it’s funny how no phones is now being considered some MAGA. I always associate no phones/low tech with the liberal , granola type parents

Granola, parent here, and I’m still trying to understand why people are so adamant having phones in school? Every time I ask, I just get insulted rather than an answer

They are very anxious about not being able to reach their child 24/7 at a moments notice. Various other reasons are given but it comes down to parental anxiety.

I am anti-ban and don't talk or text with my children during the day. The real parental anxiety is that you haven't taught your kids how to use their phone responsibly, yet somehow you give it to them anyway...

And your reason for them needing cell phones...?

I see no reason for them not to have their phones. Their grades and social skills are excellent and its not been an issue for years. There is no reason to take their phones away because other kids can't handle it. It feels punitive to them and that they are not trusted when they have done nothing wrong. Punish the kids breaking the (already existing) rules about phone use at school.

So your reason is that your kids deserve to have their phones? But why? They can learn to live without for a few hours a day.

This. If the policy "feels like a punishment" it sounds to me like they have been using their phone a lot at school, regardless of what they are telling you. Even if they are the absolute perfect phone user, they would still benefit from a school culture where all the kids are freed from the phones and can interact without them and their classes don't have to be derailed by teachers constantly looking for/having conflict with classmates over breaking the rules. This is a collective problem that needs a collective solution. She can text you and her friends and update TikTok after school.

She doesn’t have tik tok and she doesn’t break the rules, not now or when the new policy comes into place. It’s just sad and makes the good kids feel invisible. I guess you can’t relate.

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of the post on AEM right now about dress code. What the hell is going on? Parents want their kids to be able to wear whatever they want to school and have their cell phones in class. This is freaking crazy.

Funny. I actually would like to know why it’s fine to ban cell phones but it’s not okay to ban sports bras as a shirt.

Sports bras are banned as shirts. They are underwear worn without any clothes covering. It’s in the handbook.

Guess you haven’t been by lately. Versions of this are everywhere.
https://www.target.com/p/women-39-s-game-day-slim-fit-tiny-tank-top-wild-fable-8482-red-m/-/A-90910250

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of the post on AEM right now about dress code. What the hell is going on? Parents want their kids to be able to wear whatever they want to school and have their cell phones in class. This is freaking crazy.

Funny. I actually would like to know why it’s fine to ban cell phones but it’s not okay to ban sports bras as a shirt.

I’d like to ban them both. We don’t need cell phones nor to see anyone’s underwear in a classroom. But I just can’t believe that as parents we can’t agree on that. It should nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with what is best for our kids. Insane.

If your child’s phone is harming them, you should definitely take it away! But you don’t want to hear them complain to you about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Its fascinating to me how angry the pro-phone group is. They are claiming everyone who wants phones out of schools are MAGA or whatever.

First off, we are a very liberal family, and we are 100% with no phones in school.

I still haven't heard why kids need their phones in school, just screeds about how its punishment not to have them or why we can't police our own kids.

That's the thing. We can police our own kids, mine are very mindful of the phone (i screentime them and see their usage during the day) -- but half the kids in the school are checked out on their phone, and it makes it so you have to go on your phone or you look like some weirdo trying to make friends IRL. How quaint. Its a culture now where everyone is ignoring each other and on their phones, to do otherwise flirts with social catastrophe.

If we are letting kids have phones all day in school, why not let them have Nintendos, DVD players, lego sets, or whatever. Everything has a time and place, and school is for focused learning -- and the attention stealing of a phone, which has been shown to be more enthralling then using a laptop, needs to be halted.

One thing of note, all the top private schools have been banning phones to a much larger degree, often all day long. And they have a much easier time monitoring in class violations because of much smaller classes and the real threat of expulsion -- and yet they still do widespread bans. They know their students performance will drop if they let them become 'zombies' and that is their top priority.

I also think it’s funny how no phones is now being considered some MAGA. I always associate no phones/low tech with the liberal , granola type parents

Granola, parent here, and I’m still trying to understand why people are so adamant having phones in school? Every time I ask, I just get insulted rather than an answer

They are very anxious about not being able to reach their child 24/7 at a moments notice. Various other reasons are given but it comes down to parental anxiety.

I am anti-ban and don't talk or text with my children during the day. The real parental anxiety is that you haven't taught your kids how to use their phone responsibly, yet somehow you give it to them anyway...

And your reason for them needing cell phones...?

I see no reason for them not to have their phones. Their grades and social skills are excellent and its not been an issue for years. There is no reason to take their phones away because other kids can't handle it. It feels punitive to them and that they are not trusted when they have done nothing wrong. Punish the kids breaking the (already existing) rules about phone use at school.

So your reason is that your kids deserve to have their phones? But why? They can learn to live without for a few hours a day.

This. If the policy "feels like a punishment" it sounds to me like they have been using their phone a lot at school, regardless of what they are telling you. Even if they are the absolute perfect phone user, they would still benefit from a school culture where all the kids are freed from the phones and can interact without them and their classes don't have to be derailed by teachers constantly looking for/having conflict with classmates over breaking the rules. This is a collective problem that needs a collective solution. She can text you and her friends and update TikTok after school.

She doesn’t have tik tok and she doesn’t break the rules, not now or when the new policy comes into place. It’s just sad and makes the good kids feel invisible. I guess you can’t relate.

My kid doesn't use their phone at school because I have it heavily locked down with a parental control app (kid w/ ADHD needs it for after-school communication) but I recognize it's not about individual parenting decisions or any one child's ability or inability to follow the rules as they've previously been implemented (i.e. highly variable).

I notice you completely ignored the PP comment about how even the rule-followers "benefit from a school culture where all the kids are freed from the phones and can interact without them and their classes don't have to be derailed by teachers constantly looking for/having conflict with classmates over breaking the rules." Doesn't it frustrate your rule-follower that she has to see kids not following the rules, that teachers and classmates are distracted by it? Locking them down helps everyone. You still haven't answered why this policy is seen as so punishing to a kid who isn't already using their phone too much at school.

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of the post on AEM right now about dress code. What the hell is going on? Parents want their kids to be able to wear whatever they want to school and have their cell phones in class. This is freaking crazy.

Funny. I actually would like to know why it’s fine to ban cell phones but it’s not okay to ban sports bras as a shirt.

Sports bras are banned as shirts. They are underwear worn without any clothes covering. It’s in the handbook.

Guess you haven’t been by lately. Versions of this are everywhere.
https://www.target.com/p/women-39-s-game-day-slim-fit-tiny-tank-top-wild-fable-8482-red-m/-/A-90910250

So? There are lots of clothes that are inappropriate to wear to school. Did you not know this?

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of the post on AEM right now about dress code. What the hell is going on? Parents want their kids to be able to wear whatever they want to school and have their cell phones in class. This is freaking crazy.

Funny. I actually would like to know why it’s fine to ban cell phones but it’s not okay to ban sports bras as a shirt.

Sports bras are banned as shirts. They are underwear worn without any clothes covering. It’s in the handbook.

Guess you haven’t been by lately. Versions of this are everywhere.
https://www.target.com/p/women-39-s-game-day-slim-fit-tiny-tank-top-wild-fable-8482-red-m/-/A-90910250

So? There are lots of clothes that are inappropriate to wear to school. Did you not know this?

The point is - this is not banned.

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of the post on AEM right now about dress code. What the hell is going on? Parents want their kids to be able to wear whatever they want to school and have their cell phones in class. This is freaking crazy.

Funny. I actually would like to know why it’s fine to ban cell phones but it’s not okay to ban sports bras as a shirt.

I’d like to ban them both. We don’t need cell phones nor to see anyone’s underwear in a classroom. But I just can’t believe that as parents we can’t agree on that. It should nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with what is best for our kids. Insane.

If your child’s phone is harming them, you should definitely take it away! But you don’t want to hear them complain to you about it.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I like dress codes in school. I am all for a cell phone ban. FWIW, I also parent my child, but a lot of people don’t. I want schools to be able to focus on teaching and learning.

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of the post on AEM right now about dress code. What the hell is going on? Parents want their kids to be able to wear whatever they want to school and have their cell phones in class. This is freaking crazy.

Funny. I actually would like to know why it’s fine to ban cell phones but it’s not okay to ban sports bras as a shirt.

I’d like to ban them both. We don’t need cell phones nor to see anyone’s underwear in a classroom. But I just can’t believe that as parents we can’t agree on that. It should nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with what is best for our kids. Insane.

If your child’s phone is harming them, you should definitely take it away! But you don’t want to hear them complain to you about it.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I like dress codes in school. I am all for a cell phone ban. FWIW, I also parent my child, but a lot of people don’t. I want schools to be able to focus on teaching and learning.

Me too. We could start with enforcing the current rules before making new ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Its fascinating to me how angry the pro-phone group is. They are claiming everyone who wants phones out of schools are MAGA or whatever.

First off, we are a very liberal family, and we are 100% with no phones in school.

I still haven't heard why kids need their phones in school, just screeds about how its punishment not to have them or why we can't police our own kids.

That's the thing. We can police our own kids, mine are very mindful of the phone (i screentime them and see their usage during the day) -- but half the kids in the school are checked out on their phone, and it makes it so you have to go on your phone or you look like some weirdo trying to make friends IRL. How quaint. Its a culture now where everyone is ignoring each other and on their phones, to do otherwise flirts with social catastrophe.

If we are letting kids have phones all day in school, why not let them have Nintendos, DVD players, lego sets, or whatever. Everything has a time and place, and school is for focused learning -- and the attention stealing of a phone, which has been shown to be more enthralling then using a laptop, needs to be halted.

One thing of note, all the top private schools have been banning phones to a much larger degree, often all day long. And they have a much easier time monitoring in class violations because of much smaller classes and the real threat of expulsion -- and yet they still do widespread bans. They know their students performance will drop if they let them become 'zombies' and that is their top priority.

I also think it’s funny how no phones is now being considered some MAGA. I always associate no phones/low tech with the liberal , granola type parents

Granola, parent here, and I’m still trying to understand why people are so adamant having phones in school? Every time I ask, I just get insulted rather than an answer

They are very anxious about not being able to reach their child 24/7 at a moments notice. Various other reasons are given but it comes down to parental anxiety.

I am anti-ban and don't talk or text with my children during the day. The real parental anxiety is that you haven't taught your kids how to use their phone responsibly, yet somehow you give it to them anyway...

And your reason for them needing cell phones...?

I see no reason for them not to have their phones. Their grades and social skills are excellent and its not been an issue for years. There is no reason to take their phones away because other kids can't handle it. It feels punitive to them and that they are not trusted when they have done nothing wrong. Punish the kids breaking the (already existing) rules about phone use at school.

So when you go to a concert and put your phone in a pouch it’s punitive?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its fascinating to me how angry the pro-phone group is. They are claiming everyone who wants phones out of schools are MAGA or whatever.

First off, we are a very liberal family, and we are 100% with no phones in school.

I still haven't heard why kids need their phones in school, just screeds about how its punishment not to have them or why we can't police our own kids.

That's the thing. We can police our own kids, mine are very mindful of the phone (i screentime them and see their usage during the day) -- but half the kids in the school are checked out on their phone, and it makes it so you have to go on your phone or you look like some weirdo trying to make friends IRL. How quaint. Its a culture now where everyone is ignoring each other and on their phones, to do otherwise flirts with social catastrophe.

If we are letting kids have phones all day in school, why not let them have Nintendos, DVD players, lego sets, or whatever. Everything has a time and place, and school is for focused learning -- and the attention stealing of a phone, which has been shown to be more enthralling then using a laptop, needs to be halted.

One thing of note, all the top private schools have been banning phones to a much larger degree, often all day long. And they have a much easier time monitoring in class violations because of much smaller classes and the real threat of expulsion -- and yet they still do widespread bans. They know their students performance will drop if they let them become 'zombies' and that is their top priority.

I also think it’s funny how no phones is now being considered some MAGA. I always associate no phones/low tech with the liberal , granola type parents

Granola, parent here, and I’m still trying to understand why people are so adamant having phones in school? Every time I ask, I just get insulted rather than an answer

They are very anxious about not being able to reach their child 24/7 at a moments notice. Various other reasons are given but it comes down to parental anxiety.

I am anti-ban and don't talk or text with my children during the day. The real parental anxiety is that you haven't taught your kids how to use their phone responsibly, yet somehow you give it to them anyway...

I don't think that teens are known for their track record in making wise decisions. Those brains are still forming. Sometimes adults have to both set and enforce the rules. Some might even call this parenting!

I am quite the active parent. They have screen time limits and downtime and I check their phones regularly. Their phones are not misused at school. If all parents were like me, we would not need a ban. Instead parents like you want the school to be the heavy for you.

Wow you are obtuse. Obviously we want them to be the heavy for scores of parents who aren’t proactive and have kids disrupting classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of the post on AEM right now about dress code. What the hell is going on? Parents want their kids to be able to wear whatever they want to school and have their cell phones in class. This is freaking crazy.

Funny. I actually would like to know why it’s fine to ban cell phones but it’s not okay to ban sports bras as a shirt.

I’d like to ban them both. We don’t need cell phones nor to see anyone’s underwear in a classroom. But I just can’t believe that as parents we can’t agree on that. It should nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with what is best for our kids. Insane.

If your child’s phone is harming them, you should definitely take it away! But you don’t want to hear them complain to you about it.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I like dress codes in school. I am all for a cell phone ban. FWIW, I also parent my child, but a lot of people don’t. I want schools to be able to focus on teaching and learning.

Me too. We could start with enforcing the current rules before making new ones.

They actually are rules we have. But look at the reaction when we take steps toward enforcing. A reaction I don’t understand. If your kid is so good and not on the phone- what exactly is the problem??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its fascinating to me how angry the pro-phone group is. They are claiming everyone who wants phones out of schools are MAGA or whatever.

First off, we are a very liberal family, and we are 100% with no phones in school.

I still haven't heard why kids need their phones in school, just screeds about how its punishment not to have them or why we can't police our own kids.

That's the thing. We can police our own kids, mine are very mindful of the phone (i screentime them and see their usage during the day) -- but half the kids in the school are checked out on their phone, and it makes it so you have to go on your phone or you look like some weirdo trying to make friends IRL. How quaint. Its a culture now where everyone is ignoring each other and on their phones, to do otherwise flirts with social catastrophe.

If we are letting kids have phones all day in school, why not let them have Nintendos, DVD players, lego sets, or whatever. Everything has a time and place, and school is for focused learning -- and the attention stealing of a phone, which has been shown to be more enthralling then using a laptop, needs to be halted.

One thing of note, all the top private schools have been banning phones to a much larger degree, often all day long. And they have a much easier time monitoring in class violations because of much smaller classes and the real threat of expulsion -- and yet they still do widespread bans. They know their students performance will drop if they let them become 'zombies' and that is their top priority.

I also think it’s funny how no phones is now being considered some MAGA. I always associate no phones/low tech with the liberal , granola type parents

Granola, parent here, and I’m still trying to understand why people are so adamant having phones in school? Every time I ask, I just get insulted rather than an answer

They are very anxious about not being able to reach their child 24/7 at a moments notice. Various other reasons are given but it comes down to parental anxiety.

I am anti-ban and don't talk or text with my children during the day. The real parental anxiety is that you haven't taught your kids how to use their phone responsibly, yet somehow you give it to them anyway...

I don't think that teens are known for their track record in making wise decisions. Those brains are still forming. Sometimes adults have to both set and enforce the rules. Some might even call this parenting!

I am quite the active parent. They have screen time limits and downtime and I check their phones regularly. Their phones are not misused at school. If all parents were like me, we would not need a ban. Instead parents like you want the school to be the heavy for you.

Wow you are obtuse. Obviously we want them to be the heavy for scores of parents who aren’t proactive and have kids disrupting classes.

There are tons of rules in the workplace that are annoying and make life more difficult because people along the way needed them and ruined things for those of us that didn’t. It’s life. Your kid should get used to it now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of the post on AEM right now about dress code. What the hell is going on? Parents want their kids to be able to wear whatever they want to school and have their cell phones in class. This is freaking crazy.

Funny. I actually would like to know why it’s fine to ban cell phones but it’s not okay to ban sports bras as a shirt.

I’d like to ban them both. We don’t need cell phones nor to see anyone’s underwear in a classroom. But I just can’t believe that as parents we can’t agree on that. It should nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with what is best for our kids. Insane.

If your child’s phone is harming them, you should definitely take it away! But you don’t want to hear them complain to you about it.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I like dress codes in school. I am all for a cell phone ban. FWIW, I also parent my child, but a lot of people don’t. I want schools to be able to focus on teaching and learning.

Me too. We could start with enforcing the current rules before making new ones.

They actually are rules we have. But look at the reaction when we take steps toward enforcing. A reaction I don’t understand. If your kid is so good and not on the phone- what exactly is the problem??

+1 the whole problem is that we haven’t had a PIP. So these have been the rules but teachers can’t enforce when parents push back. Like they are here.

Maybe PP’s kid are perfect but lots aren’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This reminds me of the post on AEM right now about dress code. What the hell is going on? Parents want their kids to be able to wear whatever they want to school and have their cell phones in class. This is freaking crazy.

Funny. I actually would like to know why it’s fine to ban cell phones but it’s not okay to ban sports bras as a shirt.

I’d like to ban them both. We don’t need cell phones nor to see anyone’s underwear in a classroom. But I just can’t believe that as parents we can’t agree on that. It should nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with what is best for our kids. Insane.

If your child’s phone is harming them, you should definitely take it away! But you don’t want to hear them complain to you about it.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I like dress codes in school. I am all for a cell phone ban. FWIW, I also parent my child, but a lot of people don’t. I want schools to be able to focus on teaching and learning.

Me too. We could start with enforcing the current rules before making new ones.

They actually are rules we have. But look at the reaction when we take steps toward enforcing. A reaction I don’t understand. If your kid is so good and not on the phone- what exactly is the problem??

+1 the whole problem is that we haven’t had a PIP. So these have been the rules but teachers can’t enforce when parents push back. Like they are here.

Maybe PP’s kid are perfect but lots aren’t.

+1 the PIP lays down the rules so teachers have back up when they enforce. They’re not new or a total ban.