I agree with Dr Laura.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course we talk to our peers about 'these things', and where do you think our peers learned about the world? That's right, their elders. None of us were raised in a vacuum. My Grandparents say 'blacks' and 'coloreds' but do not harbor hostilities - it's how they were raised (by parents who may have actually distrusted african americans!). My parents do not use those terms, did not use them while raising me, and taught me that we are all equal under God. I've had my own experiences, good and bad, with people of all colors and economic classes. The point is, the pendulum is losing momentum and my children's peers will be closer than ever to equilibrium.

As for the PP that said Generation Y-ers are rejecting resumes at a fast clip based on seeing "black names" - I really don't need to tell you that 26 year olds aren't in any position to analyze and accept resumes, much less reject them.

I am very sorry that you feel threatened or condescended to by someone who sees the world differently (me and many of my peers). I would posit that your perception of me is akin to racism in that you are making harsh generalizations about an entire population of people based on your experience with only a few. I never claimed to be superior to my elders. In fact, I was taught to respect them and be grateful for their sacrifices and for the wisdom they have to share. I suppose that is a one-way street based on the responses here.

There is quite a bit of difference between the two terms. Plenty of African-Americans prefer 'black'. I don't know anyone that uses 'colored'.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, there is not. People are not genuinely upset about academic discussion of the word. Dr. Laura suggested that the caller should ignore its use as an epithet.

And if the caller had complained about generic insults from her husband's family/friends, I guarantee you that Dr. Laura's answer would've been different.

agree, if the complaint had been about sexist remarks like nasty sexual words that women hate to hear, Laura would have seen it differently.
That brings to mind that so many whites can see gender discrimmination as a real issue, but any other kind of discrimmination is not an issue. So many complaints about affirmative action for minorities, but when their daughters get into MIT's engineering program with lower scores or get a job at NASA for which they are unqualified, that is just fine.

Is this true? Boy, it wasn't when I studied engineering. Absolutely no affirmative action based on race or gender or any other criteria. You either took the prereqs, scored high enough on the entrance exam and had the minimum math and science GPA and SAT scores, or you didn't. Then they weeded out the class by minimum grades on the first semester physics midterm. Got rid of half the class that way. Oh, and yeah, lots of guys failed out. Of course, there weren't many women to begin with but that could be said of Americans also. Mostly foreign geeky-geek guys.

I have yet to hear a white parent complain about affirmative action for girls...especially when they have daughters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of course we talk to our peers about 'these things', and where do you think our peers learned about the world? That's right, their elders. None of us were raised in a vacuum. My Grandparents say 'blacks' and 'coloreds' but do not harbor hostilities - it's how they were raised (by parents who may have actually distrusted african americans!). My parents do not use those terms, did not use them while raising me, and taught me that we are all equal under God. I've had my own experiences, good and bad, with people of all colors and economic classes. The point is, the pendulum is losing momentum and my children's peers will be closer than ever to equilibrium.

As for the PP that said Generation Y-ers are rejecting resumes at a fast clip based on seeing "black names" - I really don't need to tell you that 26 year olds aren't in any position to analyze and accept resumes, much less reject them.

I am very sorry that you feel threatened or condescended to by someone who sees the world differently (me and many of my peers). I would posit that your perception of me is akin to racism in that you are making harsh generalizations about an entire population of people based on your experience with only a few. I never claimed to be superior to my elders. In fact, I was taught to respect them and be grateful for their sacrifices and for the wisdom they have to share. I suppose that is a one-way street based on the responses here.

First of all, I am a white Gen X'er, and I referred to data on Generations X and Y. I do not feel threatened by you in any way. I would like to believe "my" era of people is color-blind, and it's my impression among my peers. But guess what? The data says it is untrue. For example, 10% of your cohort still thinks that interracial dating is morally wrong, which is only marginally better than mine and not entirely different from the boomers (23%) . BTW 48% of your cohort believes in affirmative action including preferential treatment, and that is the highest percentage of any age cohort. So your perception that your generation thinks this is all nonsense is statistically invalid. Your peers apparently think it's more important than either X or the boomers.

I think it is you who is reflecting the feelings of a few people you know. If you can show numbers that refute the resume studies, be my guest. Right now, the data and you do not agree.

[Anonymous]

That idea that if we ignore racism it will go away is just as scary as racism itself. Racism is active and must be actively resisted through anti-racism. Staying neutral on a moving train does nothing...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course we talk to our peers about 'these things', and where do you think our peers learned about the world? That's right, their elders. None of us were raised in a vacuum. My Grandparents say 'blacks' and 'coloreds' but do not harbor hostilities - it's how they were raised (by parents who may have actually distrusted african americans!). My parents do not use those terms, did not use them while raising me, and taught me that we are all equal under God. I've had my own experiences, good and bad, with people of all colors and economic classes. The point is, the pendulum is losing momentum and my children's peers will be closer than ever to equilibrium.

As for the PP that said Generation Y-ers are rejecting resumes at a fast clip based on seeing "black names" - I really don't need to tell you that 26 year olds aren't in any position to analyze and accept resumes, much less reject them.

I am very sorry that you feel threatened or condescended to by someone who sees the world differently (me and many of my peers). I would posit that your perception of me is akin to racism in that you are making harsh generalizations about an entire population of people based on your experience with only a few. I never claimed to be superior to my elders. In fact, I was taught to respect them and be grateful for their sacrifices and for the wisdom they have to share. I suppose that is a one-way street based on the responses here.

There is quite a bit of difference between the two terms. Plenty of African-Americans prefer 'black'. I don't know anyone that uses 'colored'.

How about "people of color" and the NAACP--CP stands for Colored People?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That idea that if we ignore racism it will go away is just as scary as racism itself. Racism is active and must be actively resisted through anti-racism. Staying neutral on a moving train does nothing...

You are correct. Many Blacks are very racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, as an African American, I must say that I am not surprised by you comments. I have always known that there is so much that others would love to say about me or to me.
But keep in mind, there are many things that I hold back on too. These are things that aren't even insults, but observations that I think many others would find offensive. Things having to do with white family structure, and so on (won't elaborate).
Importantly, even though on the outside, I appear to be the model black woman, you really wouldn't guess what I go through. I am thin, pretty, make 300K a year, well educated, parents well educated, and even married to a white man! I speak foreign languages, traveled and so on. That should do the trick, shouldn't it? But I hope that you understand that I often ask myself things like why the white women I work with get more relaxed schedules when they have babies, and why they make 50K more than I do. (BTW, before you get into that bell curve nonsense, my SAT scores were over 1400 in the days that no one "studied" for them, so were my 4 sisters'). In the end, the stress is unbearable at times.
For the record, I would never let Dr. Laura into my home because she is crass, and that was before these comments. Also, my husband does not hang out with low classed people like the ones that caller identified as her husband's "friends".

We only have your word for this and as this is an anonymous thread you don't have to show any proof. However, if everything you say is true then you have a damn good life--stop bitching and whining and move on here or move some place where all of your attributes will be the awe of every citizen and you will be crowned queen and your loyal subjects will have tobow and kotow to you or you can have their heads chopped off.

[Anonymous]

when are you goin t get over it. the pres. of the country is black. its just an excuse anyway

[Anonymous]

I feel oppressed right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course we talk to our peers about 'these things', and where do you think our peers learned about the world? That's right, their elders. None of us were raised in a vacuum. My Grandparents say 'blacks' and 'coloreds' but do not harbor hostilities - it's how they were raised (by parents who may have actually distrusted african americans!). My parents do not use those terms, did not use them while raising me, and taught me that we are all equal under God. I've had my own experiences, good and bad, with people of all colors and economic classes. The point is, the pendulum is losing momentum and my children's peers will be closer than ever to equilibrium.

As for the PP that said Generation Y-ers are rejecting resumes at a fast clip based on seeing "black names" - I really don't need to tell you that 26 year olds aren't in any position to analyze and accept resumes, much less reject them.

I am very sorry that you feel threatened or condescended to by someone who sees the world differently (me and many of my peers). I would posit that your perception of me is akin to racism in that you are making harsh generalizations about an entire population of people based on your experience with only a few. I never claimed to be superior to my elders. In fact, I was taught to respect them and be grateful for their sacrifices and for the wisdom they have to share. I suppose that is a one-way street based on the responses here.

There is quite a bit of difference between the two terms. Plenty of African-Americans prefer 'black'. I don't know anyone that uses 'colored'.

How about "people of color" and the NAACP--CP stands for Colored People?

You are either being unnecessarily argumentative, or you are dumb as a stump. This disingenuous "I don't get it" act has reached its absurd conclusion, right here. Actually, why don't you do a field study? Go up and down the street and address black people as "colored". See how it goes. Report back on your experience. If you are confident in your position, this should not be difficult at all. Better yet, try it at work. I would love to see you prove yourself right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, as an African American, I must say that I am not surprised by you comments. I have always known that there is so much that others would love to say about me or to me.
But keep in mind, there are many things that I hold back on too. These are things that aren't even insults, but observations that I think many others would find offensive. Things having to do with white family structure, and so on (won't elaborate).
Importantly, even though on the outside, I appear to be the model black woman, you really wouldn't guess what I go through. I am thin, pretty, make 300K a year, well educated, parents well educated, and even married to a white man! I speak foreign languages, traveled and so on. That should do the trick, shouldn't it? But I hope that you understand that I often ask myself things like why the white women I work with get more relaxed schedules when they have babies, and why they make 50K more than I do. (BTW, before you get into that bell curve nonsense, my SAT scores were over 1400 in the days that no one "studied" for them, so were my 4 sisters'). In the end, the stress is unbearable at times.
For the record, I would never let Dr. Laura into my home because she is crass, and that was before these comments. Also, my husband does not hang out with low classed people like the ones that caller identified as her husband's "friends".

We only have your word for this and as this is an anonymous thread you don't have to show any proof. However, if everything you say is true then you have a damn good life--stop bitching and whining and move on here or move some place where all of your attributes will be the awe of every citizen and you will be crowned queen and your loyal subjects will have tobow and kotow to you or you can have their heads chopped off.

There have been wealthy and successful blacks in America for two hundred years. That has nothing to do with being equal under the law, or equal in society. If you don't understand that, you do not get what American Liberty is all about. I suggest that you go to Frederick Douglass house, take a look at how he lived in the 1800's and then read what he wrote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That idea that if we ignore racism it will go away is just as scary as racism itself. Racism is active and must be actively resisted through anti-racism. Staying neutral on a moving train does nothing...

You are correct. Many Blacks are very racist.

Oh my god! You're right! How did I not see it before. The REAL cause of any racism that exists nowadays is solely the responsibility of black folks! Oh, thank you for awakening me to this oh-so-important kernel of truth! How did I not see it?!?! All those statistics that indicate folks with "black sounding" names are less likely to get call backs on resumes or that people of color are routinely denied home loans regardless of their financial histories or that racial profiling is still practiced by many, many police agencies or that political leader continue to gerrymander voting districts to break up blocks of black voters clearly distorted my view that the REAL cause of racism is black folks who don't like when white folks say the "N-word".

OH mercy me, thank you for the education! You are so kind!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That idea that if we ignore racism it will go away is just as scary as racism itself. Racism is active and must be actively resisted through anti-racism. Staying neutral on a moving train does nothing...

You are correct. Many Blacks are very racist.

Oh my god! You're right! How did I not see it before. The REAL cause of any racism that exists nowadays is solely the responsibility of black folks! Oh, thank you for awakening me to this oh-so-important kernel of truth! How did I not see it?!?! All those statistics that indicate folks with "black sounding" names are less likely to get call backs on resumes or that people of color are routinely denied home loans regardless of their financial histories or that racial profiling is still practiced by many, many police agencies or that political leader continue to gerrymander voting districts to break up blocks of black voters clearly distorted my view that the REAL cause of racism is black folks who don't like when white folks say the "N-word".

OH mercy me, thank you for the education! You are so kind!

Black president, black head of opposition party, black surgeon general, black head of Justice dept, affirmative action, favored status for govt contracts etc. Yet America is such a racist nation where a black person can not thrive and survive. Give us a freaking break. No one here is racist. We're just tired of hearing about racism and being made to feel as if we're doing something wrong. GET OVER IT!

[Anonymous]

So the accomplishments of FOUR individuals and a handful of constantly mismanaged programs cancels out ALL the other stuff? Good to know. Glad to hear that "white privilege" is still such a foreign concept to so many Americans. If you really think it's so easy to be black in America, I'm sure you'd be more than willing to trade places with a black person, yes? Oh, what's that? No? Didn't think so.

[Anonymous]

Also, I'm white myself. So what exactly am I supposed to get over? The racism I see? Okay, I'll just close my eyes and be willfully ignorant like yourself.