Wow Stuyvesant in NYC has impressive college results

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:About 10% go to ivies. Many kids (250+) go to SUNYs and CUNYs. It is a class of 900 students.

40% go to Ivies in a typical year

I am from NYC and know Stuy very well. Infact my kid got in but chose to go elsewhere. The data shows acceptances and not matriculation, so the same kids get into multiple ivies. There is no way 40% go to Ivies. Also, a handful go to top ivies and the bulk go to Cornell.

Was a long time ago for me but most kids that I knew went to SUNY or CUNY. That held for Brooklyn Tech and Bronx Science as well as Stuy.

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Anonymous wrote:Stuy parent here.

I know of at least 10 kids going to Harvard. Ivies are nowhere near 40%, but solid. Not everyone posts to Instagram (senior caucus may be more reflective)

And local schools and/or full scholarships are often deciding factors. Sophie Davis more coveted than HYP.

Stuy kids get hit w racism (as seen here). It is what America is. But it also propels a thousand first gen kids into the professional class year after year - and that’s what America can do. A New Yorker who lands in the hospital and hears the surgeon went to Stuy and Harvard - they care about the Stuy part. That’s all merit.

Some colleges don’t really want a school full of stuy kids. Some colleges are fine w it. I was on a Stuy college counseling zoom call where the guest was head of admissions at UChicago. He said: “I read one territory. And that territory is Stuyvesant High School”

What does the bolded mean? The Head of Admissions considers Stuy its own territory separate from its surrounding neighborhood? Aren’t all top schools considered this way?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

How could this be possible with a graduating class of 900? You think Cornell would be sending out 500 acceptance letters to only Stuy students?

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Anonymous wrote:About 10% go to ivies. Many kids (250+) go to SUNYs and CUNYs. It is a class of 900 students.

40% go to Ivies in a typical year

No way. It’s been about 10%, give or take, for a while now.

A Stuy parent.

From the INS link, I see about 30% to Ivies.

Cornell alone took 15%.

But the instagram only has 250 posts that's less thana 1/3 of the graduating class. You think it's possible that the kids that got inot the better schools are more likely to link.
For example I know that a ton of kids go to stonybrook and binghamptom. Each of those schools typically get more stuy grads than cornell but the instagram shows more cornell students than stonybrook and binghamptom combined.

Point taken. But if you told me only 10% stuy goes to Ivies, that is still unbelievably low! For real?

Stuyvesant population gets hit by prejudice and low ratings on likability- see Harvard lawsuit for details. They actually put one of the Stuy college counselors on the stand, and she cried when describing how the kids were treated unfairly.

Study does really well at just below the tippy top level - UChicago, Emory, etc.

Uchicago is one of the ivy-pluses - equivalent to columbia.
Emory is one or two notch below.

If you count all Ivies + MIT, Stanford, Chicago, Northwestern, JHU, Duke, Caltech, Stuy probably still have about 30%?

Emory isn't below Cornell, even Dartmouth. Not all ivys are the same level.

Emory is in UVA/Georgetown/UNC /UF cluster

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

Whose “theory”? “Ivy” might not mean what you think it does. These students are smart enough — and have access to resources— that will allow them to choose opportunities that are good fits for their individual goals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stuy parent here.

I know of at least 10 kids going to Harvard. Ivies are nowhere near 40%, but solid. Not everyone posts to Instagram (senior caucus may be more reflective)

And local schools and/or full scholarships are often deciding factors. Sophie Davis more coveted than HYP.

Stuy kids get hit w racism (as seen here). It is what America is. But it also propels a thousand first gen kids into the professional class year after year - and that’s what America can do. A New Yorker who lands in the hospital and hears the surgeon went to Stuy and Harvard - they care about the Stuy part. That’s all merit.

Some colleges don’t really want a school full of stuy kids. Some colleges are fine w it. I was on a Stuy college counseling zoom call where the guest was head of admissions at UChicago. He said: “I read one territory. And that territory is Stuyvesant High School”

What does the bolded mean? The Head of Admissions considers Stuy its own territory separate from its surrounding neighborhood? Aren’t all top schools considered this way?

No, it means he personally reads the Stuy applications. That is all he reads. He of course is in the room for the committee deliberations but the territory he reads isn't NY or Southern California or East Asia. It's stuy. I've heard him say this too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

Cornell is 70k and that's if you are a NY resident and attend a contract college. Otherwise it's 90k. it's nobody's state flagship

[Anonymous]

Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

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Go to their IG page for college results. Go to the school paper.

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NYC parent. Some people have numbers wrong on this thread. Stuy and Bronx Sci are about 750 per grade. Tech is double that size(!) at 1500. Tech exmissions nowhere near as impressive as Stuy and Bronx but Tech is much more diverse and easier to get into.

Hunter is in a class by itself in public school exmissions, but skews much wealthier.

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Everybody knows Hunter….

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am wondering if Stuy’s education model is effective. These are the best students selected merit based. In theory the majority of them should be ivy bound. But the results are far from that.

"in theory the majority of them should be ivy bound?"

in what theory?

stuy is a meritocracy. the ivies are not. the end.

Oh come on. Cornell is like our state flagship, you can’t say Cornell is not meritocracy to its residents—plus there are the contract colleges. In theory the majority of Stuy should at least be accepted by Cornell.

How could this be possible with a graduating class of 900? You think Cornell would be sending out 500 acceptance letters to only Stuy students?

Why not? Cornell sent out many acceptance that are not accepted. Especially Cornell could send conditional acceptance, e.g., acceptance only to contract colleges.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Stuy kid is a poor Asian immigrant who spent two years non-stop studying for the SHSAT as it is their ticket out. Most of these kids have minimal mainstream American people skills - they have not assimilated. And some of them aren’t really that smart - just good at that one test.

Many end up at SUNY/CUNY. Many of these would be eligible for tons of aid at Ivies but for some reason don’t apply.

Bronx Science has more Nobel laureates and is a slightly more normal version of Stuy. Kids are more normal and slightly more relaxed. Though there is a contingent of the immigrant kids who are viewed as failures for not getting into Stuy.

What’s your evidence that Stuy kids lack social skills? I’ve met plenty who are terrific talented kids. I wouldn’t put much credence in the viewpoint from an Internet rando who traffics in Asian stereotypes.

No different than the Asian exceptionalist poster who thinks every Asian applicant is a multi-talented academic superstar destined for the T10 - but slips to state flagship - thereby raising the school's profile instantaneously.

Stereotype extremes, right?