“They won’t go to kindergarten in diapers!”…well, actually, they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some people on this thread have never had a kid with severe, chronic constipation. The judgment and cruelty is staggering, but not surprising.

Severe, chronic constipation can be a horrible and painful medical issue, and it can be debilitating and extreme, and it still doesn't mean that a school teacher should be changing the child's waster garments and cleaning up the perineal area.

Saying something is outside a teacher's scope of practice or not on their list of responsibilities or not appropriate doesn't mean it's a judgment that the child isn't worthy, and it isn't cruel.

Have you read through this thread? That's not the judgment and cruelty part. Most of the "how would this work?" posts involve the kids changing themselves and/or going to the nurse's office for help of needed.

I had a kid with severe constipation and urological issues (anatomically related and resolved by surgery; NOT a problem of too much dairy or late potty training). My kid never had a teacher or nurse help with changing, but missed over 3 weeks of school last year due to symptoms and recovery. The judgment and cruelty part is the idea that if the parents just fed the kids better diets or were less accommodating somehow (???), they wouldn't have medical problems. You truly don't know, people.

Sure, but the context of the thread is driven by the title and the first post: "There are 3 children coming in diapers…and they do not have special needs. Parents are getting 504 for constipation and diapering their kids." It's likely many of the posts you are objecting to are responding to this, unless they are clearly going on tangent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had a student last year who turned 5 at the end of August. His mom brought him into school and didn’t tell us he was wearing a pull up. We found out after lunch. Mom said he wasn’t interested in potty training. We sent him back to pre-k where they have an aide. She basically potty trained him.

A new way to redshirt!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a K teacher and we just had our grouping meeting with the principal where we place kids into classes for next year.

There are 3 children coming in diapers…and they do not have special needs. Parents are getting 504 for constipation and diapering their kids.

So all those sayings year after year, “don’t rush! They’ll do it on their own time! No one goes to K in diapers!”…actually, they do now.

Nontoilet trained children should not be allowed in kindergarten. How any parent can be so lazy in not toilet training is beyond comprehension. Teachers teach they should not need to change a give year olds diaper!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had a student last year who turned 5 at the end of August. His mom brought him into school and didn’t tell us he was wearing a pull up. We found out after lunch. Mom said he wasn’t interested in potty training. We sent him back to pre-k where they have an aide. She basically potty trained him.

I believe this story and this is a case of a parent actually being lazy and irresponsible. The parents I've known who just do not potty train just kind of quietly leave their kids in pull ups indefinitely and hope it resolves itself.

I do not believe that a situation where parents inform the school that a kindergartener will be in diaper four months before the child actually starts kindergarten is likely to be a case of a lazy parent who just didn't bother to toilet train. That's going to be a special case where there is a medical issue or development disability, and the parents are telling the school well in advance in order to make sure that proper supports are in place or even to find out how the school responds so they have time to get their kid into another school if they get a lot of pushback. That's not "lazy" parenting. It's the opposite. Which is why I find the OP suspect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I get it…you shouldn’t have to deal with that (literal) crap. And if it is just that the parents were too lazy to potty train, then that’s unacceptable.

However, I am also the parent of a child with an intellectual disability who has gastrointestinal issues, and it is possible that he won’t be potty trained by the time he starts kindergarten. I hope his teachers will be accommodating. The kids involved may well have special needs that have not yet been diagnosed. I’d reserve judgement until you meet the families.

Or, your child is not eligible to be mainstreamed if they are in a diaper. We aren't on the special needs board here.

Fed rules mandated a least restrictive environment. Almost everyone is in a regular classroom these days.

You can not keep a child with a disability from the least restrictive environment, which is now often mainstreamed in a general education classroom, due to toileting issues. I am a special ed teacher, and myself and an aide are the ones who have to change the child or support more independence with toileting (if the child is physically able). The general ed teacher may be asked to give reminders of a bathroom break or use visuals/charts to support, but does not have to help with any actual toileting. We do not call the parents if there is an accident, unless it is a significant accident. With more and more students being mainstreamed, this is only going to become more common.

Our school nurse has told me that she is not allowed to help with accidents, and that if a general ed student needs more than a change of clothes, she has to call parents.

[Anonymous]

I’m deeply concerned that the kindergarten teacher who started this thread does not understand that the three children wearing diapers that she’s talking about do, in fact, have special needs of some kind. If they are getting 504 plans, they have medical or mental health diagnoses of some kind. It’s troubling that the teacher doesn’t understand that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I get it…you shouldn’t have to deal with that (literal) crap. And if it is just that the parents were too lazy to potty train, then that’s unacceptable.

However, I am also the parent of a child with an intellectual disability who has gastrointestinal issues, and it is possible that he won’t be potty trained by the time he starts kindergarten. I hope his teachers will be accommodating. The kids involved may well have special needs that have not yet been diagnosed. I’d reserve judgement until you meet the families.

Or, your child is not eligible to be mainstreamed if they are in a diaper. We aren't on the special needs board here.

Fed rules mandated a least restrictive environment. Almost everyone is in a regular classroom these days.

You can not keep a child with a disability from the least restrictive environment, which is now often mainstreamed in a general education classroom, due to toileting issues. I am a special ed teacher, and myself and an aide are the ones who have to change the child or support more independence with toileting (if the child is physically able). The general ed teacher may be asked to give reminders of a bathroom break or use visuals/charts to support, but does not have to help with any actual toileting. We do not call the parents if there is an accident, unless it is a significant accident. With more and more students being mainstreamed, this is only going to become more common.

Our school nurse has told me that she is not allowed to help with accidents, and that if a general ed student needs more than a change of clothes, she has to call parents.

So yes her's are now babysitters and children who want to learn have to wait while the teachers change diapers! This is not education. Thank God, we could afford private school where our children were educated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I get it…you shouldn’t have to deal with that (literal) crap. And if it is just that the parents were too lazy to potty train, then that’s unacceptable.

However, I am also the parent of a child with an intellectual disability who has gastrointestinal issues, and it is possible that he won’t be potty trained by the time he starts kindergarten. I hope his teachers will be accommodating. The kids involved may well have special needs that have not yet been diagnosed. I’d reserve judgement until you meet the families.

Or, your child is not eligible to be mainstreamed if they are in a diaper. We aren't on the special needs board here.

Fed rules mandated a least restrictive environment. Almost everyone is in a regular classroom these days.

You can not keep a child with a disability from the least restrictive environment, which is now often mainstreamed in a general education classroom, due to toileting issues. I am a special ed teacher, and myself and an aide are the ones who have to change the child or support more independence with toileting (if the child is physically able). The general ed teacher may be asked to give reminders of a bathroom break or use visuals/charts to support, but does not have to help with any actual toileting. We do not call the parents if there is an accident, unless it is a significant accident. With more and more students being mainstreamed, this is only going to become more common.

Our school nurse has told me that she is not allowed to help with accidents, and that if a general ed student needs more than a change of clothes, she has to call parents.

So yes her's are now babysitters and children who want to learn have to wait while the teachers change diapers! This is not education. Thank God, we could afford private school where our children were educated.

^^ teachers not "yes her's".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a K teacher and we just had our grouping meeting with the principal where we place kids into classes for next year.

There are 3 children coming in diapers…and they do not have special needs. Parents are getting 504 for constipation and diapering their kids.

So all those sayings year after year, “don’t rush! They’ll do it on their own time! No one goes to K in diapers!”…actually, they do now.

Besides needing 504s, maybe many such children are not comfortable with their gender assigned at birth, and it’s coming out in other ways?

We need to be more understanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m deeply concerned that the kindergarten teacher who started this thread does not understand that the three children wearing diapers that she’s talking about do, in fact, have special needs of some kind. If they are getting 504 plans, they have medical or mental health diagnoses of some kind. It’s troubling that the teacher doesn’t understand that.

It's troubling that 504 children take up all the time from the teacher s d all the other children suffer a d are held back!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had a student last year who turned 5 at the end of August. His mom brought him into school and didn’t tell us he was wearing a pull up. We found out after lunch. Mom said he wasn’t interested in potty training. We sent him back to pre-k where they have an aide. She basically potty trained him.

I believe this story and this is a case of a parent actually being lazy and irresponsible. The parents I've known who just do not potty train just kind of quietly leave their kids in pull ups indefinitely and hope it resolves itself.

I do not believe that a situation where parents inform the school that a kindergartener will be in diaper four months before the child actually starts kindergarten is likely to be a case of a lazy parent who just didn't bother to toilet train. That's going to be a special case where there is a medical issue or development disability, and the parents are telling the school well in advance in order to make sure that proper supports are in place or even to find out how the school responds so they have time to get their kid into another school if they get a lot of pushback. That's not "lazy" parenting. It's the opposite. Which is why I find the OP suspect.

Sometimes parents try to medicalize lazy parenting or get bad advice from therapists. There are many bad therapists out there. The apparent “laziness” can actually be a value commitment to totally permissive parenting and a belief that the child should not be “forced.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m deeply concerned that the kindergarten teacher who started this thread does not understand that the three children wearing diapers that she’s talking about do, in fact, have special needs of some kind. If they are getting 504 plans, they have medical or mental health diagnoses of some kind. It’s troubling that the teacher doesn’t understand that.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that a longtime teacher may in fact be noticing a new trend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a K teacher and we just had our grouping meeting with the principal where we place kids into classes for next year.

There are 3 children coming in diapers…and they do not have special needs. Parents are getting 504 for constipation and diapering their kids.

So all those sayings year after year, “don’t rush! They’ll do it on their own time! No one goes to K in diapers!”…actually, they do now.

Besides needing 504s, maybe many such children are not comfortable with their gender assigned at birth, and it’s coming out in other ways?

We need to be more understanding.

troll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I get it…you shouldn’t have to deal with that (literal) crap. And if it is just that the parents were too lazy to potty train, then that’s unacceptable.

However, I am also the parent of a child with an intellectual disability who has gastrointestinal issues, and it is possible that he won’t be potty trained by the time he starts kindergarten. I hope his teachers will be accommodating. The kids involved may well have special needs that have not yet been diagnosed. I’d reserve judgement until you meet the families.

Or, your child is not eligible to be mainstreamed if they are in a diaper. We aren't on the special needs board here.

Fed rules mandated a least restrictive environment. Almost everyone is in a regular classroom these days.

You can not keep a child with a disability from the least restrictive environment, which is now often mainstreamed in a general education classroom, due to toileting issues. I am a special ed teacher, and myself and an aide are the ones who have to change the child or support more independence with toileting (if the child is physically able). The general ed teacher may be asked to give reminders of a bathroom break or use visuals/charts to support, but does not have to help with any actual toileting. We do not call the parents if there is an accident, unless it is a significant accident. With more and more students being mainstreamed, this is only going to become more common.

Our school nurse has told me that she is not allowed to help with accidents, and that if a general ed student needs more than a change of clothes, she has to call parents.

So yes her's are now babysitters and children who want to learn have to wait while the teachers change diapers! This is not education. Thank God, we could afford private school where our children were educated.

The general education teacher does not have to help with changing or cleaning the child. The special education teachers and/or paras will do that. At my school we make sure there are two adults when changing or cleaning a child (it is usually the special ed teacher and a para). So the general ed students do not need to "wait", however, it can take a chunk of a special ed teacher's day, which is difficult. I have had to send back students I was working with because I was called to help with bathroom issues, but I am also called to help with behavior issues. This is why special ed teachers are leaving, because they cannot actually work with students anymore, they are putting out fires and doing paperwork all day. I really adore all the students on my caseload, even those with behavior/toileting issues, but I feel like I can't do any parts of my job effectively when I have so many various responsibilities on my plate.

[Anonymous]

Im sure the teacher is not expected to change them… My daughter is potty trained but we have definitely struggled with constipation and accidents. So I do feel empathy when I hear about this. She actually came home from her first day of prek4 with a poop accident, (teacher didn’t notice) but we were able to get it under control with miralax after that.