Is there a "post-truth" majority in the US?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, you lost that pro science argument when the left went berserk during covid.

Covid killed more than a million Americans including members of my family. You think the status quo was called for during an extreme health crisis like that? Do you disrespect health care workers that much? Wow.

The decisions made during COVID by the left were indefensible from both scientific and moral standards. From shutting down the lab leak theory to the unscientific six foot distancing rule, to the closing of outdoor playgrounds and masking of two year olds, the destructive and useless extended school closures, unwillingness to acknowledge that cloth masks were not protective, to the forced admission of COVID positive patients into nursing homes, the mistakes and disregard of science go on and on.

The lab leak theory had no evidence to support it at the time. And just because it did later turn out to be true is nothing more than the broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day. Not exactly a victory, nothing to crow about in terms of scientific or moral theories. What was far worse, far more detrimental and far more indefensible were people like YOU, PP

- the ones like the PP who ran around claiming COVID was a hoax, or that it was somehow being grossly exaggerated. That dishonest propaganda of yours led to disregard to public health guidance and actually contributed to higher transmission rates, it caused deeper divisions in society and deeper distrust in institutions, and hampered efforts to promote vaccinations and necessary public health measures. And don't deny it, PP - your post is dripping with it.

- the ones on your side who ran around touting bogus unscientific nonsense about miracle cures, like hodryxychloroquine, ivermectin, colloidal silver and other things, which distracted from effective treatment and prevention strategies, led to dangerous self-medication and misuse of drugs, and promoted a culture of skepticism toward scientific advice and evidence-based medicine

- the ones on your side who ran around claiming getting infected and having natural immunity would be superior to vaccination - a claim unsupported by science, and what resulted is that people did not protect themselves and even worse, in some cases intentionally exposed themselves, leading to what should otherwise been preventable illnesses and deaths. It undermined vaccination campaigns, and spread disinformation about the nature of immunity and vaccine effectiveness.

- the ones who falsely claimed the vaccines alter DNA, or contain microchips - completely unscientific, immoral garbage, which fueled vaccine hesitancy and slowed vaccination efforts, and prolonged the pandemic due to insufficient herd immunity, while also eroding trust in medical institutions and scientific research

- the ones who spread totally unscientific crap saying "it's being caused by 5G" - completely indefensible, and detrimental because it misdirected public concern away from actual transmission methods, led to vandalism of 5G towers and attacks on telecom workers, and fostered fear and confustion in the public.

The PP does not have a leg to stand on here. The stuff the PP's side did was far worse than anything the PP wants to whine about. That's an absolute fact.

People like the PP damaged the science of Medicine: The spread of misinformation undermined trust in healthcare professionals and public health directives. It also diverted resources to counter false claims and treat preventable cases.

People like the PP damaged science: Disinformation eroded public trust in scientific research and expertise. It contributed to a broader culture of skepticism towards scientific consensus and evidence-based practice.

People like the PP damaged society: The proliferation of conspiracy theories and disinformation led to social polarization, increased xenophobia, and a general erosion of trust in institutions and authorities. It also complicated efforts to manage the pandemic through collective action.

People like the PP damaged the economy: Persistent disinformation impacted economic recovery by prolonging the pandemic and necessitating longer periods of restrictive measures, which in turn hurt businesses and employment.

Completely inexcusable.

The fact that you jump to attack me personally for my completely factual post because you can’t defend anything I wrote - says everything. You know nothing about me or my politics, but the facts I presented here upset you so much that you jump to accusing me of damaging society. You have a lot of self reflection to do here. Your attacks are not going to persuade anyone that the above facts didn’t occur during the pandemic.

Next time, try to make a cogent argument.

You are correct, of course. But that poster you are responding to is largely here to demonstrate that the Republicans aren’t the only party with a deep base of lunatics in their ranks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can't gaslight people into misremembering what happened, which was coordinated efforts by government (leaning hard on social media companies) to shut down discussion. People are not going to forget.

The FACT is that House Republicans tried to have hearings on that but UTTERLY FAILED to prove there was some massive coordinated leaning hard on social media to shut down discussion. You can check the actual CSPAN hearing video for yourself on how it was a failure. If whatever media you follow didn't convey that to you then you are looking in the wrong place for where discussion was shut down.

I don't need a congressional hearing to prove something I experienced personally.

That you posted some sketchy covid conspiracy crap and some mod deleted it (which nobody here denies) is hardly evidence of a grand government coverup. Again, the House Republicans tried proving that and failed. And if they failed in their fervent witch hunt, yours is also by extension a fail. Accept the L and move on. It was some random mod, not a government conspiracy. You do not know more than, or better than the people who had far more resources and access to investigate than you do.

That was a different poster.

People lived through a time when their lives were completely upended and day to day actions and personal health care decisions were dictated by government policies.

The decision to get a vaccine was foisted on people whose employers suddenly had to administer a vaccine mandate from the federal government. Quiting your job suddenly and losing income and stability for your family is not an option for many people. My employer never intruded on my healthcare decisions until Trump and Biden's administrations put in sweeping government covid policies.

People were understandably uncomfortable with a vaccine that was rushed through production and approved on an emergency use basis. Vaccines usually take decades to confirm safety and efficacy. I participated in vaccine trials in college that I learned literally 10 years later hadn't been approved. Then there was the ever changing promises that the vaccine would prevent transmission that were watered down to say, oh no, it'll prevent serious illness and or death. Most demographics were never going to die from covid anyway. It primarily affected the elderly.

Schools were closed, for quite a while, depending on the state. Young families were left to figure out how to work fulltime remotely while simultaneously homeschooling their kids while people screeched about how "school isn't childcare". It is, actually. Our entire economy relies on parents knowing their children are being supervised so the parents can work.

Small businesses were deemed nonessential and had to close while big businesses had the resources to lobby for different treatment.

You STILL have people who are trying to shut down discussion on the government pandemic response, years later.

The "different posters" are all part of the same disease affecting American society - that we are being destroyed from within with willful and malicious disinformation. Disinformation which caused huge numbers of Americans to get sick and die when it should have been preventable.

Meanwhile, nobody died because schools were closed. Nobody died because some message board mod shut down what was, at the time, baseless theories about a lab leak. And do note that school closures were largely a local decision.

Again, it's truly bizarre that people here on this thread, whether you or the different poster alike somehow arrive at the utterly bizarre calculus that somehow "Democrats are worse" or "Democrats are destroying society" when it wasn't the Democrats who were getting Americans killed by the thousands spreading anti-vax garbage.

If you still don't get it, then you're truly hopeless. People dying a horrible death from covid is FAR worse than you being butthurt because some mod locked or took down your post. That's just objective reality.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, you lost that pro science argument when the left went berserk during covid.

Covid killed more than a million Americans including members of my family. You think the status quo was called for during an extreme health crisis like that? Do you disrespect health care workers that much? Wow.

The decisions made during COVID by the left were indefensible from both scientific and moral standards. From shutting down the lab leak theory to the unscientific six foot distancing rule, to the closing of outdoor playgrounds and masking of two year olds, the destructive and useless extended school closures, unwillingness to acknowledge that cloth masks were not protective, to the forced admission of COVID positive patients into nursing homes, the mistakes and disregard of science go on and on.

The lab leak theory had no evidence to support it at the time. And just because it did later turn out to be true is nothing more than the broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day. Not exactly a victory, nothing to crow about in terms of scientific or moral theories. What was far worse, far more detrimental and far more indefensible were people like YOU, PP

- the ones like the PP who ran around claiming COVID was a hoax, or that it was somehow being grossly exaggerated. That dishonest propaganda of yours led to disregard to public health guidance and actually contributed to higher transmission rates, it caused deeper divisions in society and deeper distrust in institutions, and hampered efforts to promote vaccinations and necessary public health measures. And don't deny it, PP - your post is dripping with it.

- the ones on your side who ran around touting bogus unscientific nonsense about miracle cures, like hodryxychloroquine, ivermectin, colloidal silver and other things, which distracted from effective treatment and prevention strategies, led to dangerous self-medication and misuse of drugs, and promoted a culture of skepticism toward scientific advice and evidence-based medicine

- the ones on your side who ran around claiming getting infected and having natural immunity would be superior to vaccination - a claim unsupported by science, and what resulted is that people did not protect themselves and even worse, in some cases intentionally exposed themselves, leading to what should otherwise been preventable illnesses and deaths. It undermined vaccination campaigns, and spread disinformation about the nature of immunity and vaccine effectiveness.

- the ones who falsely claimed the vaccines alter DNA, or contain microchips - completely unscientific, immoral garbage, which fueled vaccine hesitancy and slowed vaccination efforts, and prolonged the pandemic due to insufficient herd immunity, while also eroding trust in medical institutions and scientific research

- the ones who spread totally unscientific crap saying "it's being caused by 5G" - completely indefensible, and detrimental because it misdirected public concern away from actual transmission methods, led to vandalism of 5G towers and attacks on telecom workers, and fostered fear and confustion in the public.

The PP does not have a leg to stand on here. The stuff the PP's side did was far worse than anything the PP wants to whine about. That's an absolute fact.

People like the PP damaged the science of Medicine: The spread of misinformation undermined trust in healthcare professionals and public health directives. It also diverted resources to counter false claims and treat preventable cases.

People like the PP damaged science: Disinformation eroded public trust in scientific research and expertise. It contributed to a broader culture of skepticism towards scientific consensus and evidence-based practice.

People like the PP damaged society: The proliferation of conspiracy theories and disinformation led to social polarization, increased xenophobia, and a general erosion of trust in institutions and authorities. It also complicated efforts to manage the pandemic through collective action.

People like the PP damaged the economy: Persistent disinformation impacted economic recovery by prolonging the pandemic and necessitating longer periods of restrictive measures, which in turn hurt businesses and employment.

Completely inexcusable.

The fact that you jump to attack me personally for my completely factual post because you can’t defend anything I wrote - says everything. You know nothing about me or my politics, but the facts I presented here upset you so much that you jump to accusing me of damaging society. You have a lot of self reflection to do here. Your attacks are not going to persuade anyone that the above facts didn’t occur during the pandemic.

Next time, try to make a cogent argument.

You are correct, of course. But that poster you are responding to is largely here to demonstrate that the Republicans aren’t the only party with a deep base of lunatics in their ranks.

Oh, sure, I'm a complete lunatic for pointing out that people dying by the thousands because of conspiracy theories is worse than someone's bogus post being taken down.

Check yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't gaslight people into misremembering what happened, which was coordinated efforts by government (leaning hard on social media companies) to shut down discussion. People are not going to forget.

The FACT is that House Republicans tried to have hearings on that but UTTERLY FAILED to prove there was some massive coordinated leaning hard on social media to shut down discussion. You can check the actual CSPAN hearing video for yourself on how it was a failure. If whatever media you follow didn't convey that to you then you are looking in the wrong place for where discussion was shut down.

I don't need a congressional hearing to prove something I experienced personally.

That you posted some sketchy covid conspiracy crap and some mod deleted it (which nobody here denies) is hardly evidence of a grand government coverup. Again, the House Republicans tried proving that and failed. And if they failed in their fervent witch hunt, yours is also by extension a fail. Accept the L and move on. It was some random mod, not a government conspiracy. You do not know more than, or better than the people who had far more resources and access to investigate than you do.

That was a different poster.

People lived through a time when their lives were completely upended and day to day actions and personal health care decisions were dictated by government policies.

The decision to get a vaccine was foisted on people whose employers suddenly had to administer a vaccine mandate from the federal government. Quiting your job suddenly and losing income and stability for your family is not an option for many people. My employer never intruded on my healthcare decisions until Trump and Biden's administrations put in sweeping government covid policies.

People were understandably uncomfortable with a vaccine that was rushed through production and approved on an emergency use basis. Vaccines usually take decades to confirm safety and efficacy. I participated in vaccine trials in college that I learned literally 10 years later hadn't been approved. Then there was the ever changing promises that the vaccine would prevent transmission that were watered down to say, oh no, it'll prevent serious illness and or death. Most demographics were never going to die from covid anyway. It primarily affected the elderly.

Schools were closed, for quite a while, depending on the state. Young families were left to figure out how to work fulltime remotely while simultaneously homeschooling their kids while people screeched about how "school isn't childcare". It is, actually. Our entire economy relies on parents knowing their children are being supervised so the parents can work.

Small businesses were deemed nonessential and had to close while big businesses had the resources to lobby for different treatment.

You STILL have people who are trying to shut down discussion on the government pandemic response, years later.

The "different posters" are all part of the same disease affecting American society - that we are being destroyed from within with willful and malicious disinformation. Disinformation which caused huge numbers of Americans to get sick and die when it should have been preventable.

Meanwhile, nobody died because schools were closed. Nobody died because some message board mod shut down what was, at the time, baseless theories about a lab leak. And do note that school closures were largely a local decision.

Again, it's truly bizarre that people here on this thread, whether you or the different poster alike somehow arrive at the utterly bizarre calculus that somehow "Democrats are worse" or "Democrats are destroying society" when it wasn't the Democrats who were getting Americans killed by the thousands spreading anti-vax garbage.

If you still don't get it, then you're truly hopeless. People dying a horrible death from covid is FAR worse than you being butthurt because some mod locked or took down your post. That's just objective reality.

The law isn't about relativism. The federal government can't be censoring speech through a third-party, like Facebook, no matter how beneficial it would be to the American public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, you lost that pro science argument when the left went berserk during covid.

Covid killed more than a million Americans including members of my family. You think the status quo was called for during an extreme health crisis like that? Do you disrespect health care workers that much? Wow.

The decisions made during COVID by the left were indefensible from both scientific and moral standards. From shutting down the lab leak theory to the unscientific six foot distancing rule, to the closing of outdoor playgrounds and masking of two year olds, the destructive and useless extended school closures, unwillingness to acknowledge that cloth masks were not protective, to the forced admission of COVID positive patients into nursing homes, the mistakes and disregard of science go on and on.

The lab leak theory had no evidence to support it at the time. And just because it did later turn out to be true is nothing more than the broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day. Not exactly a victory, nothing to crow about in terms of scientific or moral theories. What was far worse, far more detrimental and far more indefensible were people like YOU, PP

- the ones like the PP who ran around claiming COVID was a hoax, or that it was somehow being grossly exaggerated. That dishonest propaganda of yours led to disregard to public health guidance and actually contributed to higher transmission rates, it caused deeper divisions in society and deeper distrust in institutions, and hampered efforts to promote vaccinations and necessary public health measures. And don't deny it, PP - your post is dripping with it.

- the ones on your side who ran around touting bogus unscientific nonsense about miracle cures, like hodryxychloroquine, ivermectin, colloidal silver and other things, which distracted from effective treatment and prevention strategies, led to dangerous self-medication and misuse of drugs, and promoted a culture of skepticism toward scientific advice and evidence-based medicine

- the ones on your side who ran around claiming getting infected and having natural immunity would be superior to vaccination - a claim unsupported by science, and what resulted is that people did not protect themselves and even worse, in some cases intentionally exposed themselves, leading to what should otherwise been preventable illnesses and deaths. It undermined vaccination campaigns, and spread disinformation about the nature of immunity and vaccine effectiveness.

- the ones who falsely claimed the vaccines alter DNA, or contain microchips - completely unscientific, immoral garbage, which fueled vaccine hesitancy and slowed vaccination efforts, and prolonged the pandemic due to insufficient herd immunity, while also eroding trust in medical institutions and scientific research

- the ones who spread totally unscientific crap saying "it's being caused by 5G" - completely indefensible, and detrimental because it misdirected public concern away from actual transmission methods, led to vandalism of 5G towers and attacks on telecom workers, and fostered fear and confustion in the public.

The PP does not have a leg to stand on here. The stuff the PP's side did was far worse than anything the PP wants to whine about. That's an absolute fact.

People like the PP damaged the science of Medicine: The spread of misinformation undermined trust in healthcare professionals and public health directives. It also diverted resources to counter false claims and treat preventable cases.

People like the PP damaged science: Disinformation eroded public trust in scientific research and expertise. It contributed to a broader culture of skepticism towards scientific consensus and evidence-based practice.

People like the PP damaged society: The proliferation of conspiracy theories and disinformation led to social polarization, increased xenophobia, and a general erosion of trust in institutions and authorities. It also complicated efforts to manage the pandemic through collective action.

People like the PP damaged the economy: Persistent disinformation impacted economic recovery by prolonging the pandemic and necessitating longer periods of restrictive measures, which in turn hurt businesses and employment.

Completely inexcusable.

The fact that you jump to attack me personally for my completely factual post because you can’t defend anything I wrote - says everything. You know nothing about me or my politics, but the facts I presented here upset you so much that you jump to accusing me of damaging society. You have a lot of self reflection to do here. Your attacks are not going to persuade anyone that the above facts didn’t occur during the pandemic.

Next time, try to make a cogent argument.

Why would anyone defend what you posted? And sorry, it's not completely factual. There was no evidence to support the lab leak theory until MUCH later. That's more lucky-guess coincidence than fact. Likewise, it is not fact that there was some grand orchestrated conspiracy to censor everyone. The Republican hearings attempted to prove there was, but failed.

You seem to not understand that fact means something that has evidence and is provable. You fail on both the original lab leak (lucky guess does not count) and you fail on the government coordinated suppression claim (the House GOP investigation failed).

Since you somehow think your half-baked opinions (which you call "facts") somehow override ACTUAL facts, that being information actually supported by evidence, you are a perfect example of the "post truth" faction in America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, you lost that pro science argument when the left went berserk during covid.

Covid killed more than a million Americans including members of my family. You think the status quo was called for during an extreme health crisis like that? Do you disrespect health care workers that much? Wow.

The decisions made during COVID by the left were indefensible from both scientific and moral standards. From shutting down the lab leak theory to the unscientific six foot distancing rule, to the closing of outdoor playgrounds and masking of two year olds, the destructive and useless extended school closures, unwillingness to acknowledge that cloth masks were not protective, to the forced admission of COVID positive patients into nursing homes, the mistakes and disregard of science go on and on.

The lab leak theory had no evidence to support it at the time. And just because it did later turn out to be true is nothing more than the broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day. Not exactly a victory, nothing to crow about in terms of scientific or moral theories. What was far worse, far more detrimental and far more indefensible were people like YOU, PP

- the ones like the PP who ran around claiming COVID was a hoax, or that it was somehow being grossly exaggerated. That dishonest propaganda of yours led to disregard to public health guidance and actually contributed to higher transmission rates, it caused deeper divisions in society and deeper distrust in institutions, and hampered efforts to promote vaccinations and necessary public health measures. And don't deny it, PP - your post is dripping with it.

- the ones on your side who ran around touting bogus unscientific nonsense about miracle cures, like hodryxychloroquine, ivermectin, colloidal silver and other things, which distracted from effective treatment and prevention strategies, led to dangerous self-medication and misuse of drugs, and promoted a culture of skepticism toward scientific advice and evidence-based medicine

- the ones on your side who ran around claiming getting infected and having natural immunity would be superior to vaccination - a claim unsupported by science, and what resulted is that people did not protect themselves and even worse, in some cases intentionally exposed themselves, leading to what should otherwise been preventable illnesses and deaths. It undermined vaccination campaigns, and spread disinformation about the nature of immunity and vaccine effectiveness.

- the ones who falsely claimed the vaccines alter DNA, or contain microchips - completely unscientific, immoral garbage, which fueled vaccine hesitancy and slowed vaccination efforts, and prolonged the pandemic due to insufficient herd immunity, while also eroding trust in medical institutions and scientific research

- the ones who spread totally unscientific crap saying "it's being caused by 5G" - completely indefensible, and detrimental because it misdirected public concern away from actual transmission methods, led to vandalism of 5G towers and attacks on telecom workers, and fostered fear and confustion in the public.

The PP does not have a leg to stand on here. The stuff the PP's side did was far worse than anything the PP wants to whine about. That's an absolute fact.

People like the PP damaged the science of Medicine: The spread of misinformation undermined trust in healthcare professionals and public health directives. It also diverted resources to counter false claims and treat preventable cases.

People like the PP damaged science: Disinformation eroded public trust in scientific research and expertise. It contributed to a broader culture of skepticism towards scientific consensus and evidence-based practice.

People like the PP damaged society: The proliferation of conspiracy theories and disinformation led to social polarization, increased xenophobia, and a general erosion of trust in institutions and authorities. It also complicated efforts to manage the pandemic through collective action.

People like the PP damaged the economy: Persistent disinformation impacted economic recovery by prolonging the pandemic and necessitating longer periods of restrictive measures, which in turn hurt businesses and employment.

Completely inexcusable.

The fact that you jump to attack me personally for my completely factual post because you can’t defend anything I wrote - says everything. You know nothing about me or my politics, but the facts I presented here upset you so much that you jump to accusing me of damaging society. You have a lot of self reflection to do here. Your attacks are not going to persuade anyone that the above facts didn’t occur during the pandemic.

Next time, try to make a cogent argument.

Why would anyone defend what you posted? And sorry, it's not completely factual. There was no evidence to support the lab leak theory until MUCH later. That's more lucky-guess coincidence than fact. Likewise, it is not fact that there was some grand orchestrated conspiracy to censor everyone. The Republican hearings attempted to prove there was, but failed.

You seem to not understand that fact means something that has evidence and is provable. You fail on both the original lab leak (lucky guess does not count) and you fail on the government coordinated suppression claim (the House GOP investigation failed).

Since you somehow think your half-baked opinions (which you call "facts") somehow override ACTUAL facts, that being information actually supported by evidence, you are a perfect example of the "post truth" faction in America.

You can have your own opinions but not your own facts. We knew quite early on that we weren’t finding a natural animal reservoir for Covid. We also knew the virus originated right in Wuhan where the laboratory was based. Yet all discussion about a potential lab leak was viciously silenced. That’s not a “lucky guess”, it was the direction scientific evidence was leading us. We also knew that Europeans were not experiencing worse effects in children despite their lack of masking toddlers and that too was dismissed. You can’t rewrite history despite the fact that this upsets you so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't gaslight people into misremembering what happened, which was coordinated efforts by government (leaning hard on social media companies) to shut down discussion. People are not going to forget.

The FACT is that House Republicans tried to have hearings on that but UTTERLY FAILED to prove there was some massive coordinated leaning hard on social media to shut down discussion. You can check the actual CSPAN hearing video for yourself on how it was a failure. If whatever media you follow didn't convey that to you then you are looking in the wrong place for where discussion was shut down.

I don't need a congressional hearing to prove something I experienced personally.

That you posted some sketchy covid conspiracy crap and some mod deleted it (which nobody here denies) is hardly evidence of a grand government coverup. Again, the House Republicans tried proving that and failed. And if they failed in their fervent witch hunt, yours is also by extension a fail. Accept the L and move on. It was some random mod, not a government conspiracy. You do not know more than, or better than the people who had far more resources and access to investigate than you do.

That was a different poster.

People lived through a time when their lives were completely upended and day to day actions and personal health care decisions were dictated by government policies.

The decision to get a vaccine was foisted on people whose employers suddenly had to administer a vaccine mandate from the federal government. Quiting your job suddenly and losing income and stability for your family is not an option for many people. My employer never intruded on my healthcare decisions until Trump and Biden's administrations put in sweeping government covid policies.

People were understandably uncomfortable with a vaccine that was rushed through production and approved on an emergency use basis. Vaccines usually take decades to confirm safety and efficacy. I participated in vaccine trials in college that I learned literally 10 years later hadn't been approved. Then there was the ever changing promises that the vaccine would prevent transmission that were watered down to say, oh no, it'll prevent serious illness and or death. Most demographics were never going to die from covid anyway. It primarily affected the elderly.

Schools were closed, for quite a while, depending on the state. Young families were left to figure out how to work fulltime remotely while simultaneously homeschooling their kids while people screeched about how "school isn't childcare". It is, actually. Our entire economy relies on parents knowing their children are being supervised so the parents can work.

Small businesses were deemed nonessential and had to close while big businesses had the resources to lobby for different treatment.

You STILL have people who are trying to shut down discussion on the government pandemic response, years later.

The "different posters" are all part of the same disease affecting American society - that we are being destroyed from within with willful and malicious disinformation. Disinformation which caused huge numbers of Americans to get sick and die when it should have been preventable.

Meanwhile, nobody died because schools were closed. Nobody died because some message board mod shut down what was, at the time, baseless theories about a lab leak. And do note that school closures were largely a local decision.

Again, it's truly bizarre that people here on this thread, whether you or the different poster alike somehow arrive at the utterly bizarre calculus that somehow "Democrats are worse" or "Democrats are destroying society" when it wasn't the Democrats who were getting Americans killed by the thousands spreading anti-vax garbage.

If you still don't get it, then you're truly hopeless. People dying a horrible death from covid is FAR worse than you being butthurt because some mod locked or took down your post. That's just objective reality.

The law isn't about relativism. The federal government can't be censoring speech through a third-party, like Facebook, no matter how beneficial it would be to the American public.

And House Republicans tried to prove that the federal government was censoring, and failed. And by the way, the First Amendment doesn't actually give unconditional blanket protections and carte blanche to post whatever you like. For example if you post classified information you absolutely will be prosecuted and convicted. Likewise, in most US jurisdictions, it is unlawful to threaten to harm or kill people or destroy their property (terroristic threats), or to falsely hold yourself out to be a physician, police officer, or member of other regulated professions.

So you fail to make your case on the law piece, and you completely failed on the morality and relativism piece. Two fails for the price of one. Congratulations.

[Anonymous]

We will see what SCOTUS has to say about Biden’s actions because that’s where the debate is, not with the House GOP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, you lost that pro science argument when the left went berserk during covid.

Covid killed more than a million Americans including members of my family. You think the status quo was called for during an extreme health crisis like that? Do you disrespect health care workers that much? Wow.

The decisions made during COVID by the left were indefensible from both scientific and moral standards. From shutting down the lab leak theory to the unscientific six foot distancing rule, to the closing of outdoor playgrounds and masking of two year olds, the destructive and useless extended school closures, unwillingness to acknowledge that cloth masks were not protective, to the forced admission of COVID positive patients into nursing homes, the mistakes and disregard of science go on and on.

The lab leak theory had no evidence to support it at the time. And just because it did later turn out to be true is nothing more than the broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day. Not exactly a victory, nothing to crow about in terms of scientific or moral theories. What was far worse, far more detrimental and far more indefensible were people like YOU, PP

- the ones like the PP who ran around claiming COVID was a hoax, or that it was somehow being grossly exaggerated. That dishonest propaganda of yours led to disregard to public health guidance and actually contributed to higher transmission rates, it caused deeper divisions in society and deeper distrust in institutions, and hampered efforts to promote vaccinations and necessary public health measures. And don't deny it, PP - your post is dripping with it.

- the ones on your side who ran around touting bogus unscientific nonsense about miracle cures, like hodryxychloroquine, ivermectin, colloidal silver and other things, which distracted from effective treatment and prevention strategies, led to dangerous self-medication and misuse of drugs, and promoted a culture of skepticism toward scientific advice and evidence-based medicine

- the ones on your side who ran around claiming getting infected and having natural immunity would be superior to vaccination - a claim unsupported by science, and what resulted is that people did not protect themselves and even worse, in some cases intentionally exposed themselves, leading to what should otherwise been preventable illnesses and deaths. It undermined vaccination campaigns, and spread disinformation about the nature of immunity and vaccine effectiveness.

- the ones who falsely claimed the vaccines alter DNA, or contain microchips - completely unscientific, immoral garbage, which fueled vaccine hesitancy and slowed vaccination efforts, and prolonged the pandemic due to insufficient herd immunity, while also eroding trust in medical institutions and scientific research

- the ones who spread totally unscientific crap saying "it's being caused by 5G" - completely indefensible, and detrimental because it misdirected public concern away from actual transmission methods, led to vandalism of 5G towers and attacks on telecom workers, and fostered fear and confustion in the public.

The PP does not have a leg to stand on here. The stuff the PP's side did was far worse than anything the PP wants to whine about. That's an absolute fact.

People like the PP damaged the science of Medicine: The spread of misinformation undermined trust in healthcare professionals and public health directives. It also diverted resources to counter false claims and treat preventable cases.

People like the PP damaged science: Disinformation eroded public trust in scientific research and expertise. It contributed to a broader culture of skepticism towards scientific consensus and evidence-based practice.

People like the PP damaged society: The proliferation of conspiracy theories and disinformation led to social polarization, increased xenophobia, and a general erosion of trust in institutions and authorities. It also complicated efforts to manage the pandemic through collective action.

People like the PP damaged the economy: Persistent disinformation impacted economic recovery by prolonging the pandemic and necessitating longer periods of restrictive measures, which in turn hurt businesses and employment.

Completely inexcusable.

The fact that you jump to attack me personally for my completely factual post because you can’t defend anything I wrote - says everything. You know nothing about me or my politics, but the facts I presented here upset you so much that you jump to accusing me of damaging society. You have a lot of self reflection to do here. Your attacks are not going to persuade anyone that the above facts didn’t occur during the pandemic.

Next time, try to make a cogent argument.

Why would anyone defend what you posted? And sorry, it's not completely factual. There was no evidence to support the lab leak theory until MUCH later. That's more lucky-guess coincidence than fact. Likewise, it is not fact that there was some grand orchestrated conspiracy to censor everyone. The Republican hearings attempted to prove there was, but failed.

You seem to not understand that fact means something that has evidence and is provable. You fail on both the original lab leak (lucky guess does not count) and you fail on the government coordinated suppression claim (the House GOP investigation failed).

Since you somehow think your half-baked opinions (which you call "facts") somehow override ACTUAL facts, that being information actually supported by evidence, you are a perfect example of the "post truth" faction in America.

You can have your own opinions but not your own facts. We knew quite early on that we weren’t finding a natural animal reservoir for Covid. We also knew the virus originated right in Wuhan where the laboratory was based. Yet all discussion about a potential lab leak was viciously silenced. That’s not a “lucky guess”, it was the direction scientific evidence was leading us. We also knew that Europeans were not experiencing worse effects in children despite their lack of masking toddlers and that too was dismissed. You can’t rewrite history despite the fact that this upsets you so much.

Viciously silenced? Oh please. Who went to jail over it? Nobody. Not a single soul.

And sorry but YES you were just guessing. You had no evidence, scientific or otherwise. I'm not rewriting anything. I'm just stating facts.

And here are some more inconvenient facts for you, since now you are also attacking masks:

A systematic review and meta-analysis published in The Lancet found that face mask use can indeed result in a large reduction in the risk of infection (relative risk [RR], 0.30; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.22 to 0.41) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

Another meta-analysis in BMJ Global Health reported that masks, along with other measures like hand hygiene and physical distancing, significantly reduced the spread of COVID-19 https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-068302

Research in Germany found that face masks reduced the daily growth rate of reported COVID-19 infections by about 40% https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33273115/

Data from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) suggested that universal mask use could prevent tens of thousands of deaths. For example, IHME estimated that increasing mask usage to 95% in the United States could save over 66,000 lives by March 2021 https://www.newsweek.com/more-100000-us-lives-could-saved-february-if-universal-mask-use-achieved-study-shows-1541787

A study published in Health Affairs found that states with mask mandates saw a decline in daily COVID-19 growth rates, which translated into significant reductions in hospitalizations and deaths https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

There's the science.

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Anonymous wrote:We will see what SCOTUS has to say about Biden’s actions because that’s where the debate is, not with the House GOP.

I'm not terribly interested in what a disgraced, treasonous and seditionist judge like Samuel Alito or Clarence Thomas has to say. They have given up their credibility. They need to step down and be replaced.

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Anonymous wrote:We will see what SCOTUS has to say about Biden’s actions because that’s where the debate is, not with the House GOP.

I'm not terribly interested in what a disgraced, treasonous and seditionist judge like Samuel Alito or Clarence Thomas has to say. They have given up their credibility. They need to step down and be replaced.

LOL sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, you lost that pro science argument when the left went berserk during covid.

Covid killed more than a million Americans including members of my family. You think the status quo was called for during an extreme health crisis like that? Do you disrespect health care workers that much? Wow.

The decisions made during COVID by the left were indefensible from both scientific and moral standards. From shutting down the lab leak theory to the unscientific six foot distancing rule, to the closing of outdoor playgrounds and masking of two year olds, the destructive and useless extended school closures, unwillingness to acknowledge that cloth masks were not protective, to the forced admission of COVID positive patients into nursing homes, the mistakes and disregard of science go on and on.

The lab leak theory had no evidence to support it at the time. And just because it did later turn out to be true is nothing more than the broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day. Not exactly a victory, nothing to crow about in terms of scientific or moral theories. What was far worse, far more detrimental and far more indefensible were people like YOU, PP

- the ones like the PP who ran around claiming COVID was a hoax, or that it was somehow being grossly exaggerated. That dishonest propaganda of yours led to disregard to public health guidance and actually contributed to higher transmission rates, it caused deeper divisions in society and deeper distrust in institutions, and hampered efforts to promote vaccinations and necessary public health measures. And don't deny it, PP - your post is dripping with it.

- the ones on your side who ran around touting bogus unscientific nonsense about miracle cures, like hodryxychloroquine, ivermectin, colloidal silver and other things, which distracted from effective treatment and prevention strategies, led to dangerous self-medication and misuse of drugs, and promoted a culture of skepticism toward scientific advice and evidence-based medicine

- the ones on your side who ran around claiming getting infected and having natural immunity would be superior to vaccination - a claim unsupported by science, and what resulted is that people did not protect themselves and even worse, in some cases intentionally exposed themselves, leading to what should otherwise been preventable illnesses and deaths. It undermined vaccination campaigns, and spread disinformation about the nature of immunity and vaccine effectiveness.

- the ones who falsely claimed the vaccines alter DNA, or contain microchips - completely unscientific, immoral garbage, which fueled vaccine hesitancy and slowed vaccination efforts, and prolonged the pandemic due to insufficient herd immunity, while also eroding trust in medical institutions and scientific research

- the ones who spread totally unscientific crap saying "it's being caused by 5G" - completely indefensible, and detrimental because it misdirected public concern away from actual transmission methods, led to vandalism of 5G towers and attacks on telecom workers, and fostered fear and confustion in the public.

The PP does not have a leg to stand on here. The stuff the PP's side did was far worse than anything the PP wants to whine about. That's an absolute fact.

People like the PP damaged the science of Medicine: The spread of misinformation undermined trust in healthcare professionals and public health directives. It also diverted resources to counter false claims and treat preventable cases.

People like the PP damaged science: Disinformation eroded public trust in scientific research and expertise. It contributed to a broader culture of skepticism towards scientific consensus and evidence-based practice.

People like the PP damaged society: The proliferation of conspiracy theories and disinformation led to social polarization, increased xenophobia, and a general erosion of trust in institutions and authorities. It also complicated efforts to manage the pandemic through collective action.

People like the PP damaged the economy: Persistent disinformation impacted economic recovery by prolonging the pandemic and necessitating longer periods of restrictive measures, which in turn hurt businesses and employment.

Completely inexcusable.

The fact that you jump to attack me personally for my completely factual post because you can’t defend anything I wrote - says everything. You know nothing about me or my politics, but the facts I presented here upset you so much that you jump to accusing me of damaging society. You have a lot of self reflection to do here. Your attacks are not going to persuade anyone that the above facts didn’t occur during the pandemic.

Next time, try to make a cogent argument.

You are correct, of course. But that poster you are responding to is largely here to demonstrate that the Republicans aren’t the only party with a deep base of lunatics in their ranks.

Oh, sure, I'm a complete lunatic for pointing out that people dying by the thousands because of conspiracy theories is worse than someone's bogus post being taken down.

Check yourself.

Far more people will die worldwide because of the shutdowns than from COVID. Aid to starving nations all but ceased because of financial and logistics issues cause by shutdowns. I know, I know. But mah saving democracy!

Give me a credible citation for how many Americans died because of shutdowns.

Per the link above, tens of thousands of Americans died unnecessarily because of anti-mask propaganda. That's in addition to all of the other Americans who died due to false anti-vax propaganda and other willfully sown distrust and divisiveness - virtually none of which was based on facts or science.

So you're going to have to come up with hundreds of thousands of Americans who according to you died because of the shutdown. Post your source.

Anti mask propaganda? Are you still living in 2021? Please brush up on what we know about the effects of mask mandates (hint: they were useless). It seems like you are about three years behind and still think the mandates were effective.

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There was no science when the pandemic hit. The scientists were working off data from SARS and MERS, which were in the same family but never at a global scale of impact. We did lockdowns so that hospital wouldn’t get overwhelmed. I feel like a lot of conservative are making calls in hindsight with known data, which wasn’t available information in the Spring/summer of 2020. So yes looking back, they could have possibly changed a few actions, like having kids return in the fall of 2020 to schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, you lost that pro science argument when the left went berserk during covid.

Covid killed more than a million Americans including members of my family. You think the status quo was called for during an extreme health crisis like that? Do you disrespect health care workers that much? Wow.

The decisions made during COVID by the left were indefensible from both scientific and moral standards. From shutting down the lab leak theory to the unscientific six foot distancing rule, to the closing of outdoor playgrounds and masking of two year olds, the destructive and useless extended school closures, unwillingness to acknowledge that cloth masks were not protective, to the forced admission of COVID positive patients into nursing homes, the mistakes and disregard of science go on and on.

The lab leak theory had no evidence to support it at the time. And just because it did later turn out to be true is nothing more than the broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day. Not exactly a victory, nothing to crow about in terms of scientific or moral theories. What was far worse, far more detrimental and far more indefensible were people like YOU, PP

- the ones like the PP who ran around claiming COVID was a hoax, or that it was somehow being grossly exaggerated. That dishonest propaganda of yours led to disregard to public health guidance and actually contributed to higher transmission rates, it caused deeper divisions in society and deeper distrust in institutions, and hampered efforts to promote vaccinations and necessary public health measures. And don't deny it, PP - your post is dripping with it.

- the ones on your side who ran around touting bogus unscientific nonsense about miracle cures, like hodryxychloroquine, ivermectin, colloidal silver and other things, which distracted from effective treatment and prevention strategies, led to dangerous self-medication and misuse of drugs, and promoted a culture of skepticism toward scientific advice and evidence-based medicine

- the ones on your side who ran around claiming getting infected and having natural immunity would be superior to vaccination - a claim unsupported by science, and what resulted is that people did not protect themselves and even worse, in some cases intentionally exposed themselves, leading to what should otherwise been preventable illnesses and deaths. It undermined vaccination campaigns, and spread disinformation about the nature of immunity and vaccine effectiveness.

- the ones who falsely claimed the vaccines alter DNA, or contain microchips - completely unscientific, immoral garbage, which fueled vaccine hesitancy and slowed vaccination efforts, and prolonged the pandemic due to insufficient herd immunity, while also eroding trust in medical institutions and scientific research

- the ones who spread totally unscientific crap saying "it's being caused by 5G" - completely indefensible, and detrimental because it misdirected public concern away from actual transmission methods, led to vandalism of 5G towers and attacks on telecom workers, and fostered fear and confustion in the public.

The PP does not have a leg to stand on here. The stuff the PP's side did was far worse than anything the PP wants to whine about. That's an absolute fact.

People like the PP damaged the science of Medicine: The spread of misinformation undermined trust in healthcare professionals and public health directives. It also diverted resources to counter false claims and treat preventable cases.

People like the PP damaged science: Disinformation eroded public trust in scientific research and expertise. It contributed to a broader culture of skepticism towards scientific consensus and evidence-based practice.

People like the PP damaged society: The proliferation of conspiracy theories and disinformation led to social polarization, increased xenophobia, and a general erosion of trust in institutions and authorities. It also complicated efforts to manage the pandemic through collective action.

People like the PP damaged the economy: Persistent disinformation impacted economic recovery by prolonging the pandemic and necessitating longer periods of restrictive measures, which in turn hurt businesses and employment.

Completely inexcusable.

The fact that you jump to attack me personally for my completely factual post because you can’t defend anything I wrote - says everything. You know nothing about me or my politics, but the facts I presented here upset you so much that you jump to accusing me of damaging society. You have a lot of self reflection to do here. Your attacks are not going to persuade anyone that the above facts didn’t occur during the pandemic.

Next time, try to make a cogent argument.

You are correct, of course. But that poster you are responding to is largely here to demonstrate that the Republicans aren’t the only party with a deep base of lunatics in their ranks.

Oh, sure, I'm a complete lunatic for pointing out that people dying by the thousands because of conspiracy theories is worse than someone's bogus post being taken down.

Check yourself.

Far more people will die worldwide because of the shutdowns than from COVID. Aid to starving nations all but ceased because of financial and logistics issues cause by shutdowns. I know, I know. But mah saving democracy!

Give me a credible citation for how many Americans died because of shutdowns.

Per the link above, tens of thousands of Americans died unnecessarily because of anti-mask propaganda. That's in addition to all of the other Americans who died due to false anti-vax propaganda and other willfully sown distrust and divisiveness - virtually none of which was based on facts or science.

So you're going to have to come up with hundreds of thousands of Americans who according to you died because of the shutdown. Post your source.

Anti mask propaganda? Are you still living in 2021? Please brush up on what we know about the effects of mask mandates (hint: they were useless). It seems like you are about three years behind and still think the mandates were effective.

Monday morning quarterbacking is lame, folks.

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Why did it take the supposedly pro science Biden administration until four DAYS ago to suspend federal funding to Peter Daszak due to his failure to monitor his Wuhan laboratory’s activities? The house GOP has been providing evidence of his lab’s biosafety record for years, to the ridicule of the left. Again, these are covid facts you can’t just wipe under the rug because it’s embarrassing now.