UofM vs Northwestern

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s fascinating, Michigan’s reputation seems to be markedly stronger here in DC than back home in Michigan.

That’s because most midwesterners aren’t elitist prestige freaks.

Maybe. I just don’t know anyone who would consider Michigan more prestigious than Northwestern back home in the Midwest.

It is interesting.

We are here in the midwest this week for admitted student days at both schools, with a family visit over spring break in the middle.

The response around here is "Oh, wow. Northwestern! Congratulations!"

Vs

"Cool, Michigan! That is a good football school."

Michigan is known for academic excellence, particularly in the Midwest. Yes, it’s also known for football. They just won the national championship. Naturally it’s going to brought up in a conversation. Northwestern hasn’t sustained athletic excellence in any major sport throughout its history. If it did, that conversation would be included. “That’s a good football school,” is like lumping Michigan in with a school like Alabama.

Well, no.

Midwesterners view michigan as a fun, football party school.

They view northwestern as a prestigious elite academic schools.

I was honestly really surprised whe we relocated here, and saw how regarded Michigan was in this area. Michigan is known as a giant sports school to midwesterners.

Who are you kidding? You’ve never asked anyone from the Midwest about Michigan. I lived in the Midwest for over 50 years. Everyone knows it’s a great school.

I’m a DP but I agree with the person you’re responding to. Of course, Michigan is viewed as a great school, but it’s largely seen as a behemoth of a state school that’s big in football and has a lot of school spirit. Northwestern is viewed as a prestigious, socially elite school. Northwestern & UChicago are Ivy League proxies in the Midwest.

That isn’t to detract from Michigan, and one shouldn’t choose one school over the other just based on flighty notions of prestige.

Northwestern, U of Chicago and WashU are viewed as the ivy equivalent schools in the midwest, by midwesterners.

Michigan is viewed as a great state school, but not much different than KU, Mizzou, Illinois, etc.

Oof, WashU alum/parent alert. Sadly, WashU is not really in the conversation. Certainly not among lay folks. And in any case, this is a conversation about UMich and NW.

Totally true. In the Midwest, WUSTL is often an afterthought by the general public. Those same folks who think Kansas and Missouri and equivalent to Michigan.

[Anonymous]

Parchment data for cross admits

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Michigan+-+Ann+Arbor&with=University+of+Wisconsin+-+Madison

Between these two schools, remembering the large tiuition differences

Michigan 80% Wisconsin 20%

Now between these schools

Northwestern 57% Michigan 43%
Northwestern 76% Wisconsin 24%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How did The University of Wisconsin get inserted into a conversation between NU and Michigan? Michigan instate for Engineering gets my vote.

I think it is because the Michigan poster cannot fathom that in the midwest, Michigan is viewed as an equivalent to most of the other state flagships (adding Wisconsin to the above list) that is mostly recognized for having the best football.

Those out here who are spending 80K on out of state tuition for a public university because they were waitlisted at VT or UMD cannot fathom that while respected in the Midwest, Michigan is not.thought to be this untouchable school standing alone, and is mostly revered for football.

Nobody said Michigan was untouchable in the Midwest among publics. It’s just generally acknowledged as the top state flagship in the region. Money talks, your hyperbolic statement aside. Michigan gets 80K from OOS because it can. Wisconsin could only dream about getting that level of OOS tuition. They even have a reciprocal tuition agreement with Minnesota because they aren’t able to pull in top dollar from that state. Michigan does no such thing. They don’t need to. The biggest feeder state to Michigan, after California, is Illinois by the way.

https://ro.umich.edu/reports/enrollment-report/enrollment-geographic-location/enrollment-geographic-location

Look at those Illinois numbers of students who refused to go with instate UIUC. It’s not because most were rejected or waitlisted from their flagship. Illinois has an overall acceptance rate of 44%, and around 62% for instate alone, both much higher than Michigan. Ohio is also among the top ten states sending students to Michigan. Mostly full pay too.

How did this thread devolve into a competition between Michigan and Wisconsin...?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How did The University of Wisconsin get inserted into a conversation between NU and Michigan? Michigan instate for Engineering gets my vote.

I think it is because the Michigan poster cannot fathom that in the midwest, Michigan is viewed as an equivalent to most of the other state flagships (adding Wisconsin to the above list) that is mostly recognized for having the best football.

Those out here who are spending 80K on out of state tuition for a public university because they were waitlisted at VT or UMD cannot fathom that while respected in the Midwest, Michigan is not.thought to be this untouchable school standing alone, and is mostly revered for football.

Nobody said Michigan was untouchable in the Midwest among publics. It’s just generally acknowledged as the top state flagship in the region. Money talks, your hyperbolic statement aside. Michigan gets 80K from OOS because it can. Wisconsin could only dream about getting that level of OOS tuition. They even have a reciprocal tuition agreement with Minnesota because they aren’t able to pull in top dollar from that state. Michigan does no such thing. They don’t need to. The biggest feeder state to Michigan, after California, is Illinois by the way.

https://ro.umich.edu/reports/enrollment-report/enrollment-geographic-location/enrollment-geographic-location

Look at those Illinois numbers of students who refused to go with instate UIUC. It’s not because most were rejected or waitlisted from their flagship. Illinois has an overall acceptance rate of 44%, and around 62% for instate alone, both much higher than Michigan. Ohio is also among the top ten states sending students to Michigan. Mostly full pay too.

How did this thread devolve into a competition between Michigan and Wisconsin...?

Wisconsin booster felt left out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How did The University of Wisconsin get inserted into a conversation between NU and Michigan? Michigan instate for Engineering gets my vote.

I think it is because the Michigan poster cannot fathom that in the midwest, Michigan is viewed as an equivalent to most of the other state flagships (adding Wisconsin to the above list) that is mostly recognized for having the best football.

Those out here who are spending 80K on out of state tuition for a public university because they were waitlisted at VT or UMD cannot fathom that while respected in the Midwest, Michigan is not.thought to be this untouchable school standing alone, and is mostly revered for football.

Nobody said Michigan was untouchable in the Midwest among publics. It’s just generally acknowledged as the top state flagship in the region. Money talks, your hyperbolic statement aside. Michigan gets 80K from OOS because it can. Wisconsin could only dream about getting that level of OOS tuition. They even have a reciprocal tuition agreement with Minnesota because they aren’t able to pull in top dollar from that state. Michigan does no such thing. They don’t need to. The biggest feeder state to Michigan, after California, is Illinois by the way.

https://ro.umich.edu/reports/enrollment-report/enrollment-geographic-location/enrollment-geographic-location

Look at those Illinois numbers of students who refused to go with instate UIUC. It’s not because most were rejected or waitlisted from their flagship. Illinois has an overall acceptance rate of 44%, and around 62% for instate alone, both much higher than Michigan. Ohio is also among the top ten states sending students to Michigan. Mostly full pay too.

How did this thread devolve into a competition between Michigan and Wisconsin...?

Wisconsin booster felt left out.

Michigan booster have an overinflated sense of self compared to their peer midwest big state football type midwest universites

[Anonymous]

Michigan’s new peer in the BIG 10 is going to be UCLA-take that Wisconsin booster!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Michigan’s new peer in the BIG 10 is going to be UCLA-take that Wisconsin booster!!

That’s correct!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How did The University of Wisconsin get inserted into a conversation between NU and Michigan? Michigan instate for Engineering gets my vote.

I think it is because the Michigan poster cannot fathom that in the midwest, Michigan is viewed as an equivalent to most of the other state flagships (adding Wisconsin to the above list) that is mostly recognized for having the best football.

Those out here who are spending 80K on out of state tuition for a public university because they were waitlisted at VT or UMD cannot fathom that while respected in the Midwest, Michigan is not.thought to be this untouchable school standing alone, and is mostly revered for football.

Nobody said Michigan was untouchable in the Midwest among publics. It’s just generally acknowledged as the top state flagship in the region. Money talks, your hyperbolic statement aside. Michigan gets 80K from OOS because it can. Wisconsin could only dream about getting that level of OOS tuition. They even have a reciprocal tuition agreement with Minnesota because they aren’t able to pull in top dollar from that state. Michigan does no such thing. They don’t need to. The biggest feeder state to Michigan, after California, is Illinois by the way.

https://ro.umich.edu/reports/enrollment-report/enrollment-geographic-location/enrollment-geographic-location

Look at those Illinois numbers of students who refused to go with instate UIUC. It’s not because most were rejected or waitlisted from their flagship. Illinois has an overall acceptance rate of 44%, and around 62% for instate alone, both much higher than Michigan. Ohio is also among the top ten states sending students to Michigan. Mostly full pay too.

How did this thread devolve into a competition between Michigan and Wisconsin...?

Wisconsin booster felt left out.

Michigan booster have an overinflated sense of self compared to their peer midwest big state football type midwest universites

Wisconsin booster posts on Michigan vs Northwestern thread. Tried to insert their school into the conversation. Fails miserably.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parchment data for cross admits

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Michigan+-+Ann+Arbor&with=University+of+Wisconsin+-+Madison

Between these two schools, remembering the large tiuition differences

Michigan 80% Wisconsin 20%

Now between these schools

Northwestern 57% Michigan 43%
Northwestern 76% Wisconsin 24%

You resolve to use parchment data, because you wouldn’t dare talk about the academic accomplishments of each university or the alumni of each university. Precisely because such statistics show Michigan and Wisconsin are extremely close, with Wisconsin simply having the edge historically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Michigan’s new peer in the BIG 10 is going to be UCLA-take that Wisconsin booster!!

Under what metrics are UCLA and Wisconsin not also peers? I mean, Los Angeles and Milwaukee certainly aren’t peer cities, but Wisconsin punches well above its weight in terms of bringing student talent in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parchment data for cross admits

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Michigan+-+Ann+Arbor&with=University+of+Wisconsin+-+Madison

Between these two schools, remembering the large tiuition differences

Michigan 80% Wisconsin 20%

Now between these schools

Northwestern 57% Michigan 43%
Northwestern 76% Wisconsin 24%

You resolve to use parchment data, because you wouldn’t dare talk about the academic accomplishments of each university or the alumni of each university. Precisely because such statistics show Michigan and Wisconsin are extremely close, with Wisconsin simply having the edge historically.

They are close, with Michigan having the decided edge. This isn’t 50 years ago.

[Anonymous]

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+California%2C+Los+Angeles&with=University+of+Wisconsin+-+Madison

UCLA #64. Wisconsin #36



.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan’s new peer in the BIG 10 is going to be UCLA-take that Wisconsin booster!!

Under what metrics are UCLA and Wisconsin not also peers? I mean, Los Angeles and Milwaukee certainly aren’t peer cities, but Wisconsin punches well above its weight in terms of bringing student talent in.

Surely you know the University of Wisconsin is not in Milwaukee?