How to get around teen freezing Life 360

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Anonymous wrote:I just trust my kids. If they haven’t given me a reason to think they are misbehaving, I trust them. I don’t track them.

I am the OP. I have lost trust in my 15yr old when I sensed something was off and did a deep dive on their phone. That is the problem. So when they got their phone back after 2 weeks, of course I am going to track them, which we always had as a family and I rarely looked at. But it sounds like kids are hacking life 360 to sneak out, leave school for lunch, staying after school, etc… so I just wanted to be one up on it. They also get around ring cameras.

They can already not do sleepovers and to the person that said check their bed at 3am every night, thank you. Caught again last night after coming home at 11:00pm, even when life 360 said they were home. So punished and loss of phone again.

And for those judging. I am trying. We live in a normal 4 person two parent home and my 17yr old is nothing like this. We are pretty flexible and never helicopterish. This is a new friend group and it’s been hell since Sept.

Op this is more than a phone problem.
1. Get kid in therapy.
2. Change kids school or homeschool. 3. No more of that friends group. Escort kid to all activities. Enroll kid in sport/hobby/skill at least three nights a week. Quit your job if you have to.

This is the critical drug/alcohol period. Your kid needs you. Yes they will hate you. In ten years they will thank you.

OP here

They are in therapy and on a new medication as of a month ago

Trying to get them away from the friend group but they are also in their school

I can’t switch schools. It wouldn’t matter.

They are in a club sport that starts Jan until July so hopeful that will help. Will be with team a lot.

I hate taking away phone but it’s what needed to happen.

I work from home PT. I am the driver almost all the time. The biggest thing was taking away sleepovers.

Thanks for the suggestions - honestly.

You don’t even have to take the phone. Just disconnect the service. Turn it off. Period.

Most kids get burner phones

Not if they don't have jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I just trust my kids. If they haven’t given me a reason to think they are misbehaving, I trust them. I don’t track them.

I am the OP. I have lost trust in my 15yr old when I sensed something was off and did a deep dive on their phone. That is the problem. So when they got their phone back after 2 weeks, of course I am going to track them, which we always had as a family and I rarely looked at. But it sounds like kids are hacking life 360 to sneak out, leave school for lunch, staying after school, etc… so I just wanted to be one up on it. They also get around ring cameras.

They can already not do sleepovers and to the person that said check their bed at 3am every night, thank you. Caught again last night after coming home at 11:00pm, even when life 360 said they were home. So punished and loss of phone again.

And for those judging. I am trying. We live in a normal 4 person two parent home and my 17yr old is nothing like this. We are pretty flexible and never helicopterish. This is a new friend group and it’s been hell since Sept.

Op this is more than a phone problem.
1. Get kid in therapy.
2. Change kids school or homeschool. 3. No more of that friends group. Escort kid to all activities. Enroll kid in sport/hobby/skill at least three nights a week. Quit your job if you have to.

This is the critical drug/alcohol period. Your kid needs you. Yes they will hate you. In ten years they will thank you.

OP here

They are in therapy and on a new medication as of a month ago

Trying to get them away from the friend group but they are also in their school

I can’t switch schools. It wouldn’t matter.

They are in a club sport that starts Jan until July so hopeful that will help. Will be with team a lot.

I hate taking away phone but it’s what needed to happen.

I work from home PT. I am the driver almost all the time. The biggest thing was taking away sleepovers.

Thanks for the suggestions - honestly.

You don’t even have to take the phone. Just disconnect the service. Turn it off. Period.

Most kids get burner phones

Not if they don't have jobs.

How do kids vape, do drugs, drink, eat out at locations, shop etc….

Teens have ways to get money

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Anonymous wrote:I just trust my kids. If they haven’t given me a reason to think they are misbehaving, I trust them. I don’t track them.

I am the OP. I have lost trust in my 15yr old when I sensed something was off and did a deep dive on their phone. That is the problem. So when they got their phone back after 2 weeks, of course I am going to track them, which we always had as a family and I rarely looked at. But it sounds like kids are hacking life 360 to sneak out, leave school for lunch, staying after school, etc… so I just wanted to be one up on it. They also get around ring cameras.

They can already not do sleepovers and to the person that said check their bed at 3am every night, thank you. Caught again last night after coming home at 11:00pm, even when life 360 said they were home. So punished and loss of phone again.

And for those judging. I am trying. We live in a normal 4 person two parent home and my 17yr old is nothing like this. We are pretty flexible and never helicopterish. This is a new friend group and it’s been hell since Sept.

Op this is more than a phone problem.
1. Get kid in therapy.
2. Change kids school or homeschool. 3. No more of that friends group. Escort kid to all activities. Enroll kid in sport/hobby/skill at least three nights a week. Quit your job if you have to.

This is the critical drug/alcohol period. Your kid needs you. Yes they will hate you. In ten years they will thank you.

OP here

They are in therapy and on a new medication as of a month ago

Trying to get them away from the friend group but they are also in their school

I can’t switch schools. It wouldn’t matter.

They are in a club sport that starts Jan until July so hopeful that will help. Will be with team a lot.

I hate taking away phone but it’s what needed to happen.

I work from home PT. I am the driver almost all the time. The biggest thing was taking away sleepovers.

Thanks for the suggestions - honestly.

You don’t even have to take the phone. Just disconnect the service. Turn it off. Period.

Most kids get burner phones

Not if they don't have jobs.

How do kids vape, do drugs, drink, eat out at locations, shop etc….

Teens have ways to get money

Most teens are not thieves. So if they don't work, they are getting the money from their parents or grandparents. I can assure you my unemployed teens don't have enough money for burner phones. And if they did, they'd blow it on Lululemon and Sephora instead anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:I just trust my kids. If they haven’t given me a reason to think they are misbehaving, I trust them. I don’t track them.

I am the OP. I have lost trust in my 15yr old when I sensed something was off and did a deep dive on their phone. That is the problem. So when they got their phone back after 2 weeks, of course I am going to track them, which we always had as a family and I rarely looked at. But it sounds like kids are hacking life 360 to sneak out, leave school for lunch, staying after school, etc… so I just wanted to be one up on it. They also get around ring cameras.

They can already not do sleepovers and to the person that said check their bed at 3am every night, thank you. Caught again last night after coming home at 11:00pm, even when life 360 said they were home. So punished and loss of phone again.

And for those judging. I am trying. We live in a normal 4 person two parent home and my 17yr old is nothing like this. We are pretty flexible and never helicopterish. This is a new friend group and it’s been hell since Sept.

Op this is more than a phone problem.
1. Get kid in therapy.
2. Change kids school or homeschool. 3. No more of that friends group. Escort kid to all activities. Enroll kid in sport/hobby/skill at least three nights a week. Quit your job if you have to.

This is the critical drug/alcohol period. Your kid needs you. Yes they will hate you. In ten years they will thank you.

OP here

They are in therapy and on a new medication as of a month ago

Trying to get them away from the friend group but they are also in their school

I can’t switch schools. It wouldn’t matter.

They are in a club sport that starts Jan until July so hopeful that will help. Will be with team a lot.

I hate taking away phone but it’s what needed to happen.

I work from home PT. I am the driver almost all the time. The biggest thing was taking away sleepovers.

Thanks for the suggestions - honestly.

You don’t even have to take the phone. Just disconnect the service. Turn it off. Period.

Most kids get burner phones

Not if they don't have jobs.

How do kids vape, do drugs, drink, eat out at locations, shop etc….

Teens have ways to get money

Most teens are not thieves. So if they don't work, they are getting the money from their parents or grandparents. I can assure you my unemployed teens don't have enough money for burner phones. And if they did, they'd blow it on Lululemon and Sephora instead anyway.

A burner phone is $20

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Anonymous wrote:I just trust my kids. If they haven’t given me a reason to think they are misbehaving, I trust them. I don’t track them.

I am the OP. I have lost trust in my 15yr old when I sensed something was off and did a deep dive on their phone. That is the problem. So when they got their phone back after 2 weeks, of course I am going to track them, which we always had as a family and I rarely looked at. But it sounds like kids are hacking life 360 to sneak out, leave school for lunch, staying after school, etc… so I just wanted to be one up on it. They also get around ring cameras.

They can already not do sleepovers and to the person that said check their bed at 3am every night, thank you. Caught again last night after coming home at 11:00pm, even when life 360 said they were home. So punished and loss of phone again.

And for those judging. I am trying. We live in a normal 4 person two parent home and my 17yr old is nothing like this. We are pretty flexible and never helicopterish. This is a new friend group and it’s been hell since Sept.

Op this is more than a phone problem.
1. Get kid in therapy.
2. Change kids school or homeschool. 3. No more of that friends group. Escort kid to all activities. Enroll kid in sport/hobby/skill at least three nights a week. Quit your job if you have to.

This is the critical drug/alcohol period. Your kid needs you. Yes they will hate you. In ten years they will thank you.

OP here

They are in therapy and on a new medication as of a month ago

Trying to get them away from the friend group but they are also in their school

I can’t switch schools. It wouldn’t matter.

They are in a club sport that starts Jan until July so hopeful that will help. Will be with team a lot.

I hate taking away phone but it’s what needed to happen.

I work from home PT. I am the driver almost all the time. The biggest thing was taking away sleepovers.

Thanks for the suggestions - honestly.

You don’t even have to take the phone. Just disconnect the service. Turn it off. Period.

Most kids get burner phones

Not if they don't have jobs.

How do kids vape, do drugs, drink, eat out at locations, shop etc….

Teens have ways to get money

Most teens are not thieves. So if they don't work, they are getting the money from their parents or grandparents. I can assure you my unemployed teens don't have enough money for burner phones. And if they did, they'd blow it on Lululemon and Sephora instead anyway.

A burner phone is $20

With data and internet? For how long?

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Anonymous wrote:I just trust my kids. If they haven’t given me a reason to think they are misbehaving, I trust them. I don’t track them.

I am the OP. I have lost trust in my 15yr old when I sensed something was off and did a deep dive on their phone. That is the problem. So when they got their phone back after 2 weeks, of course I am going to track them, which we always had as a family and I rarely looked at. But it sounds like kids are hacking life 360 to sneak out, leave school for lunch, staying after school, etc… so I just wanted to be one up on it. They also get around ring cameras.

They can already not do sleepovers and to the person that said check their bed at 3am every night, thank you. Caught again last night after coming home at 11:00pm, even when life 360 said they were home. So punished and loss of phone again.

And for those judging. I am trying. We live in a normal 4 person two parent home and my 17yr old is nothing like this. We are pretty flexible and never helicopterish. This is a new friend group and it’s been hell since Sept.

Op this is more than a phone problem.
1. Get kid in therapy.
2. Change kids school or homeschool. 3. No more of that friends group. Escort kid to all activities. Enroll kid in sport/hobby/skill at least three nights a week. Quit your job if you have to.

This is the critical drug/alcohol period. Your kid needs you. Yes they will hate you. In ten years they will thank you.

OP here

They are in therapy and on a new medication as of a month ago

Trying to get them away from the friend group but they are also in their school

I can’t switch schools. It wouldn’t matter.

They are in a club sport that starts Jan until July so hopeful that will help. Will be with team a lot.

I hate taking away phone but it’s what needed to happen.

I work from home PT. I am the driver almost all the time. The biggest thing was taking away sleepovers.

Thanks for the suggestions - honestly.

You don’t even have to take the phone. Just disconnect the service. Turn it off. Period.

Most kids get burner phones

Not if they don't have jobs.

How do kids vape, do drugs, drink, eat out at locations, shop etc….

Teens have ways to get money

Most teens are not thieves. So if they don't work, they are getting the money from their parents or grandparents. I can assure you my unemployed teens don't have enough money for burner phones. And if they did, they'd blow it on Lululemon and Sephora instead anyway.

In our case, they were gifted by friends. If you have a difficult teen, trust me they have ways around you, and it’s very difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:I just trust my kids. If they haven’t given me a reason to think they are misbehaving, I trust them. I don’t track them.

I am the OP. I have lost trust in my 15yr old when I sensed something was off and did a deep dive on their phone. That is the problem. So when they got their phone back after 2 weeks, of course I am going to track them, which we always had as a family and I rarely looked at. But it sounds like kids are hacking life 360 to sneak out, leave school for lunch, staying after school, etc… so I just wanted to be one up on it. They also get around ring cameras.

They can already not do sleepovers and to the person that said check their bed at 3am every night, thank you. Caught again last night after coming home at 11:00pm, even when life 360 said they were home. So punished and loss of phone again.

And for those judging. I am trying. We live in a normal 4 person two parent home and my 17yr old is nothing like this. We are pretty flexible and never helicopterish. This is a new friend group and it’s been hell since Sept.

Op this is more than a phone problem.
1. Get kid in therapy.
2. Change kids school or homeschool. 3. No more of that friends group. Escort kid to all activities. Enroll kid in sport/hobby/skill at least three nights a week. Quit your job if you have to.

This is the critical drug/alcohol period. Your kid needs you. Yes they will hate you. In ten years they will thank you.

OP here

They are in therapy and on a new medication as of a month ago

Trying to get them away from the friend group but they are also in their school

I can’t switch schools. It wouldn’t matter.

They are in a club sport that starts Jan until July so hopeful that will help. Will be with team a lot.

I hate taking away phone but it’s what needed to happen.

I work from home PT. I am the driver almost all the time. The biggest thing was taking away sleepovers.

Thanks for the suggestions - honestly.

You don’t even have to take the phone. Just disconnect the service. Turn it off. Period.

Most kids get burner phones

Not if they don't have jobs.

How do kids vape, do drugs, drink, eat out at locations, shop etc….

Teens have ways to get money

Most teens are not thieves. So if they don't work, they are getting the money from their parents or grandparents. I can assure you my unemployed teens don't have enough money for burner phones. And if they did, they'd blow it on Lululemon and Sephora instead anyway.

A burner phone is $20

With data and internet? For how long?

Had to use WiFi but he knew our password before we realized what was going on, or would go to stores, friends’ houses, unprotected WiFi addresses in the neighborhood etc.

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Stop tracking your teens! They will find ways around it anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:I just trust my kids. If they haven’t given me a reason to think they are misbehaving, I trust them. I don’t track them.

I am the OP. I have lost trust in my 15yr old when I sensed something was off and did a deep dive on their phone. That is the problem. So when they got their phone back after 2 weeks, of course I am going to track them, which we always had as a family and I rarely looked at. But it sounds like kids are hacking life 360 to sneak out, leave school for lunch, staying after school, etc… so I just wanted to be one up on it. They also get around ring cameras.

They can already not do sleepovers and to the person that said check their bed at 3am every night, thank you. Caught again last night after coming home at 11:00pm, even when life 360 said they were home. So punished and loss of phone again.

And for those judging. I am trying. We live in a normal 4 person two parent home and my 17yr old is nothing like this. We are pretty flexible and never helicopterish. This is a new friend group and it’s been hell since Sept.

Op this is more than a phone problem.
1. Get kid in therapy.
2. Change kids school or homeschool. 3. No more of that friends group. Escort kid to all activities. Enroll kid in sport/hobby/skill at least three nights a week. Quit your job if you have to.

This is the critical drug/alcohol period. Your kid needs you. Yes they will hate you. In ten years they will thank you.

OP here

They are in therapy and on a new medication as of a month ago

Trying to get them away from the friend group but they are also in their school

I can’t switch schools. It wouldn’t matter.

They are in a club sport that starts Jan until July so hopeful that will help. Will be with team a lot.

I hate taking away phone but it’s what needed to happen.

I work from home PT. I am the driver almost all the time. The biggest thing was taking away sleepovers.

Thanks for the suggestions - honestly.

You don’t even have to take the phone. Just disconnect the service. Turn it off. Period.

Most kids get burner phones

Not if they don't have jobs.

How do kids vape, do drugs, drink, eat out at locations, shop etc….

Teens have ways to get money

Most teens are not thieves. So if they don't work, they are getting the money from their parents or grandparents. I can assure you my unemployed teens don't have enough money for burner phones. And if they did, they'd blow it on Lululemon and Sephora instead anyway.

A burner phone is $20

With data and internet? For how long?

Teens sell old or broken screen phones that work on wifi or hot spot only for $20-50 in school.

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Anonymous wrote:I just trust my kids. If they haven’t given me a reason to think they are misbehaving, I trust them. I don’t track them.

I am the OP. I have lost trust in my 15yr old when I sensed something was off and did a deep dive on their phone. That is the problem. So when they got their phone back after 2 weeks, of course I am going to track them, which we always had as a family and I rarely looked at. But it sounds like kids are hacking life 360 to sneak out, leave school for lunch, staying after school, etc… so I just wanted to be one up on it. They also get around ring cameras.

They can already not do sleepovers and to the person that said check their bed at 3am every night, thank you. Caught again last night after coming home at 11:00pm, even when life 360 said they were home. So punished and loss of phone again.

And for those judging. I am trying. We live in a normal 4 person two parent home and my 17yr old is nothing like this. We are pretty flexible and never helicopterish. This is a new friend group and it’s been hell since Sept.

Op this is more than a phone problem.
1. Get kid in therapy.
2. Change kids school or homeschool. 3. No more of that friends group. Escort kid to all activities. Enroll kid in sport/hobby/skill at least three nights a week. Quit your job if you have to.

This is the critical drug/alcohol period. Your kid needs you. Yes they will hate you. In ten years they will thank you.

OP here

They are in therapy and on a new medication as of a month ago

Trying to get them away from the friend group but they are also in their school

I can’t switch schools. It wouldn’t matter.

They are in a club sport that starts Jan until July so hopeful that will help. Will be with team a lot.

I hate taking away phone but it’s what needed to happen.

I work from home PT. I am the driver almost all the time. The biggest thing was taking away sleepovers.

Thanks for the suggestions - honestly.

You don’t even have to take the phone. Just disconnect the service. Turn it off. Period.

Most kids get burner phones

Not if they don't have jobs.

How do kids vape, do drugs, drink, eat out at locations, shop etc….

Teens have ways to get money

Most teens are not thieves. So if they don't work, they are getting the money from their parents or grandparents. I can assure you my unemployed teens don't have enough money for burner phones. And if they did, they'd blow it on Lululemon and Sephora instead anyway.

They get old phones from friends - I found out my daughter was lending out her old iPhone 8 to friends when they got their phones taken or heavily restricted by parents. It has a cracked screen so we never traded it in and was in a drawer as back up in case someone at home lost a phone. She said a lot of kids have an extra older phone (or parents do and didn’t keep track of it in a drawer like mine was) and then run it on Wi-Fi hotspots, mostly for Snapchat. Ugh

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Anonymous wrote:I just trust my kids. If they haven’t given me a reason to think they are misbehaving, I trust them. I don’t track them.

I am the OP. I have lost trust in my 15yr old when I sensed something was off and did a deep dive on their phone. That is the problem. So when they got their phone back after 2 weeks, of course I am going to track them, which we always had as a family and I rarely looked at. But it sounds like kids are hacking life 360 to sneak out, leave school for lunch, staying after school, etc… so I just wanted to be one up on it. They also get around ring cameras.

They can already not do sleepovers and to the person that said check their bed at 3am every night, thank you. Caught again last night after coming home at 11:00pm, even when life 360 said they were home. So punished and loss of phone again.

And for those judging. I am trying. We live in a normal 4 person two parent home and my 17yr old is nothing like this. We are pretty flexible and never helicopterish. This is a new friend group and it’s been hell since Sept.

Op this is more than a phone problem.
1. Get kid in therapy.
2. Change kids school or homeschool. 3. No more of that friends group. Escort kid to all activities. Enroll kid in sport/hobby/skill at least three nights a week. Quit your job if you have to.

This is the critical drug/alcohol period. Your kid needs you. Yes they will hate you. In ten years they will thank you.

OP here

They are in therapy and on a new medication as of a month ago

Trying to get them away from the friend group but they are also in their school

I can’t switch schools. It wouldn’t matter.

They are in a club sport that starts Jan until July so hopeful that will help. Will be with team a lot.

I hate taking away phone but it’s what needed to happen.

I work from home PT. I am the driver almost all the time. The biggest thing was taking away sleepovers.

Thanks for the suggestions - honestly.

You don’t even have to take the phone. Just disconnect the service. Turn it off. Period.

Most kids get burner phones

Not if they don't have jobs.

How do kids vape, do drugs, drink, eat out at locations, shop etc….

Teens have ways to get money

Most teens are not thieves. So if they don't work, they are getting the money from their parents or grandparents. I can assure you my unemployed teens don't have enough money for burner phones. And if they did, they'd blow it on Lululemon and Sephora instead anyway.

They get old phones from friends - I found out my daughter was lending out her old iPhone 8 to friends when they got their phones taken or heavily restricted by parents. It has a cracked screen so we never traded it in and was in a drawer as back up in case someone at home lost a phone. She said a lot of kids have an extra older phone (or parents do and didn’t keep track of it in a drawer like mine was) and then run it on Wi-Fi hotspots, mostly for Snapchat. Ugh

This is exactly how my son got phones when he wasn’t allowed to have them - friends gave them old ones with cracks that were in a drawer etc. The teens think they are helping out a friend, and more importantly want to stay in contact with the friend who is under restriction. They don’t realize that they are interfering with a discipline process, it comes from a good place. But it’s really really hard to keep phones away from a troubled teen if they want it, which is what point some of us are trying to me.

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My teen got caught sneaking out over break. I would love to find ways to prevent this. We already have ring cams but nothing was picked up. Not sure if he looped it or went a window.

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Anonymous wrote:I just trust my kids. If they haven’t given me a reason to think they are misbehaving, I trust them. I don’t track them.

I am the OP. I have lost trust in my 15yr old when I sensed something was off and did a deep dive on their phone. That is the problem. So when they got their phone back after 2 weeks, of course I am going to track them, which we always had as a family and I rarely looked at. But it sounds like kids are hacking life 360 to sneak out, leave school for lunch, staying after school, etc… so I just wanted to be one up on it. They also get around ring cameras.

They can already not do sleepovers and to the person that said check their bed at 3am every night, thank you. Caught again last night after coming home at 11:00pm, even when life 360 said they were home. So punished and loss of phone again.

And for those judging. I am trying. We live in a normal 4 person two parent home and my 17yr old is nothing like this. We are pretty flexible and never helicopterish. This is a new friend group and it’s been hell since Sept.

Op this is more than a phone problem.
1. Get kid in therapy.
2. Change kids school or homeschool. 3. No more of that friends group. Escort kid to all activities. Enroll kid in sport/hobby/skill at least three nights a week. Quit your job if you have to.

This is the critical drug/alcohol period. Your kid needs you. Yes they will hate you. In ten years they will thank you.

OP here

They are in therapy and on a new medication as of a month ago

Trying to get them away from the friend group but they are also in their school

I can’t switch schools. It wouldn’t matter.

They are in a club sport that starts Jan until July so hopeful that will help. Will be with team a lot.

I hate taking away phone but it’s what needed to happen.

I work from home PT. I am the driver almost all the time. The biggest thing was taking away sleepovers.

Thanks for the suggestions - honestly.

You don’t even have to take the phone. Just disconnect the service. Turn it off. Period.

Most kids get burner phones

Not if they don't have jobs.

How do kids vape, do drugs, drink, eat out at locations, shop etc….

Teens have ways to get money

Most teens are not thieves. So if they don't work, they are getting the money from their parents or grandparents. I can assure you my unemployed teens don't have enough money for burner phones. And if they did, they'd blow it on Lululemon and Sephora instead anyway.

They get old phones from friends - I found out my daughter was lending out her old iPhone 8 to friends when they got their phones taken or heavily restricted by parents. It has a cracked screen so we never traded it in and was in a drawer as back up in case someone at home lost a phone. She said a lot of kids have an extra older phone (or parents do and didn’t keep track of it in a drawer like mine was) and then run it on Wi-Fi hotspots, mostly for Snapchat. Ugh

And even young kids. We got an email from a teacher many years ago about how our kid was trying to sneak using his phone in class when he was in 5th grade. Imagine our surprise, because he didn’t have a phone. It was an old phone he got and was using it on wifi. All of his friends were using old phones. He happened to find one of ours in a drawer we had long forgotten about.

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Anonymous wrote:My teen got caught sneaking out over break. I would love to find ways to prevent this. We already have ring cams but nothing was picked up. Not sure if he looped it or went a window.

This should be on a new thread