BOE members ask to add elementary schools to Woodward, Crown, Damascus boundary studies

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.


Looks like someone working at 850 Hungerford is licking their chops?

? I live in the RPES cluster. CGES is closer to Crown than GHS. That's just fact.


And children might be tempted to cross a very dangerous road known as Interstate 270. The first time a kid tries walking home I hope the person who approved it is arrested for negligence. Part of the reason why parents want proximity is for it to be safe for their children. Something that apparently MCPS has forgotten about?


There are plenty of schools which have 270 running through their attendance areas.

+1 Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill has to cross 270 to get to JW and RM.


I think the point is QO and NW have the greatest needs that can't be addressed by means other than Crown. MCPS doesn't even need to utilize Crown to deal with Gaithersburg and RM High Schools to fix the problem - it's a make-believe "crisis" by leaving out schools with capacity from the boundary changes. If MCPS wants to reduce the commute times of kids traveling an hour to school, versus providing benefits for Carver, they could do that too. Also, if MCPS is planning to perpetuate the boundary issue with CJMS, that's yet another artificial "crisis" that could be resolved using existing capacity at other schools as well.

I hope every parent fully understands the impact of taking slots away just to give candy to friends and family? Shame on you all.


Northwest can give some students to Seneca valley and Seneca valley gives some to Damascus, then problem solved.
QO can shed 200 students to Wootton. So 200 students surplus for QO is manageable.
RM and Gaithersburg can give to Magruder and Sherwood.

This solves most of overcrowding issues of the five schools. There is no need to build crown at all.


Forgot to mention Watkins Mill which can take another 200 students. So there is no overcrowding issue at all.

Macgruder and Sherwood are far from RM.


Magruder borders with RM. some of RM can shift to Gaithersburg and then Gaithersburg shift to Magruder and Sherwood. Less bussing as well.


And Sherwood borders the NEC, and the NEC borders the DCC, and the leg bone connects to the thigh bone, and the thigh bone connects to the hip bone, and next thing you know, the boundary study will involve all 216 (?) schools in MCPS.


Not sure why tax payers have to pay 200 millions to build an unnecessary school.


It's the excuse not to renovate schools with asbestos.
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Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.


Looks like someone working at 850 Hungerford is licking their chops?

? I live in the RPES cluster. CGES is closer to Crown than GHS. That's just fact.


And children might be tempted to cross a very dangerous road known as Interstate 270. The first time a kid tries walking home I hope the person who approved it is arrested for negligence. Part of the reason why parents want proximity is for it to be safe for their children. Something that apparently MCPS has forgotten about?


There are plenty of schools which have 270 running through their attendance areas.

+1 Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill has to cross 270 to get to JW and RM.


I think the point is QO and NW have the greatest needs that can't be addressed by means other than Crown. MCPS doesn't even need to utilize Crown to deal with Gaithersburg and RM High Schools to fix the problem - it's a make-believe "crisis" by leaving out schools with capacity from the boundary changes. If MCPS wants to reduce the commute times of kids traveling an hour to school, versus providing benefits for Carver, they could do that too. Also, if MCPS is planning to perpetuate the boundary issue with CJMS, that's yet another artificial "crisis" that could be resolved using existing capacity at other schools as well.

I hope every parent fully understands the impact of taking slots away just to give candy to friends and family? Shame on you all.


Northwest can give some students to Seneca valley and Seneca valley gives some to Damascus, then problem solved.
QO can shed 200 students to Wootton. So 200 students surplus for QO is manageable.
RM and Gaithersburg can give to Magruder and Sherwood.

This solves most of overcrowding issues of the five schools. There is no need to build crown at all.


Forgot to mention Watkins Mill which can take another 200 students. So there is no overcrowding issue at all.

Macgruder and Sherwood are far from RM.


Magruder borders with RM. some of RM can shift to Gaithersburg and then Gaithersburg shift to Magruder and Sherwood. Less bussing as well.


And Sherwood borders the NEC, and the NEC borders the DCC, and the leg bone connects to the thigh bone, and the thigh bone connects to the hip bone, and next thing you know, the boundary study will involve all 216 (?) schools in MCPS.


Not sure why tax payers have to pay 200 millions to build an unnecessary school.


Good news, that is not what taxpayers (or MCPS) are doing!
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Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.


Looks like someone working at 850 Hungerford is licking their chops?

? I live in the RPES cluster. CGES is closer to Crown than GHS. That's just fact.


And children might be tempted to cross a very dangerous road known as Interstate 270. The first time a kid tries walking home I hope the person who approved it is arrested for negligence. Part of the reason why parents want proximity is for it to be safe for their children. Something that apparently MCPS has forgotten about?


There are plenty of schools which have 270 running through their attendance areas.

+1 Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill has to cross 270 to get to JW and RM.


I think the point is QO and NW have the greatest needs that can't be addressed by means other than Crown. MCPS doesn't even need to utilize Crown to deal with Gaithersburg and RM High Schools to fix the problem - it's a make-believe "crisis" by leaving out schools with capacity from the boundary changes. If MCPS wants to reduce the commute times of kids traveling an hour to school, versus providing benefits for Carver, they could do that too. Also, if MCPS is planning to perpetuate the boundary issue with CJMS, that's yet another artificial "crisis" that could be resolved using existing capacity at other schools as well.

I hope every parent fully understands the impact of taking slots away just to give candy to friends and family? Shame on you all.


Northwest can give some students to Seneca valley and Seneca valley gives some to Damascus, then problem solved.
QO can shed 200 students to Wootton. So 200 students surplus for QO is manageable.
RM and Gaithersburg can give to Magruder and Sherwood.

This solves most of overcrowding issues of the five schools. There is no need to build crown at all.


Forgot to mention Watkins Mill which can take another 200 students. So there is no overcrowding issue at all.

Macgruder and Sherwood are far from RM.


Magruder borders with RM. some of RM can shift to Gaithersburg and then Gaithersburg shift to Magruder and Sherwood. Less bussing as well.


And Sherwood borders the NEC, and the NEC borders the DCC, and the leg bone connects to the thigh bone, and the thigh bone connects to the hip bone, and next thing you know, the boundary study will involve all 216 (?) schools in MCPS.


Not sure why tax payers have to pay 200 millions to build an unnecessary school.


It's the excuse not to renovate schools with asbestos.


I don’t see how building crown is helping renovating schools with asbestos. On the opposite, these renovation projects keep being postponed because of building crown is a priority.
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Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.


Looks like someone working at 850 Hungerford is licking their chops?

? I live in the RPES cluster. CGES is closer to Crown than GHS. That's just fact.


And children might be tempted to cross a very dangerous road known as Interstate 270. The first time a kid tries walking home I hope the person who approved it is arrested for negligence. Part of the reason why parents want proximity is for it to be safe for their children. Something that apparently MCPS has forgotten about?


There are plenty of schools which have 270 running through their attendance areas.

+1 Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill has to cross 270 to get to JW and RM.


I think the point is QO and NW have the greatest needs that can't be addressed by means other than Crown. MCPS doesn't even need to utilize Crown to deal with Gaithersburg and RM High Schools to fix the problem - it's a make-believe "crisis" by leaving out schools with capacity from the boundary changes. If MCPS wants to reduce the commute times of kids traveling an hour to school, versus providing benefits for Carver, they could do that too. Also, if MCPS is planning to perpetuate the boundary issue with CJMS, that's yet another artificial "crisis" that could be resolved using existing capacity at other schools as well.

I hope every parent fully understands the impact of taking slots away just to give candy to friends and family? Shame on you all.


Northwest can give some students to Seneca valley and Seneca valley gives some to Damascus, then problem solved.
QO can shed 200 students to Wootton. So 200 students surplus for QO is manageable.
RM and Gaithersburg can give to Magruder and Sherwood.

This solves most of overcrowding issues of the five schools. There is no need to build crown at all.


Forgot to mention Watkins Mill which can take another 200 students. So there is no overcrowding issue at all.

Macgruder and Sherwood are far from RM.


Magruder borders with RM. some of RM can shift to Gaithersburg and then Gaithersburg shift to Magruder and Sherwood. Less bussing as well.


And Sherwood borders the NEC, and the NEC borders the DCC, and the leg bone connects to the thigh bone, and the thigh bone connects to the hip bone, and next thing you know, the boundary study will involve all 216 (?) schools in MCPS.


Not sure why tax payers have to pay 200 millions to build an unnecessary school.


It's the excuse not to renovate schools with asbestos.


I don’t see how building crown is helping renovating schools with asbestos. On the opposite, these renovation projects keep being postponed because of building crown is a priority.

Building Crown is less expensive than the 4 expansion/renovation projects that were on the books.
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Wasn't there some provision where the Crown site was only MCPS's to build on within a specified timeframe, and if they didn't build a school by some deadline, then they would lose the rights to the land?
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Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.


Looks like someone working at 850 Hungerford is licking their chops?

? I live in the RPES cluster. CGES is closer to Crown than GHS. That's just fact.


And children might be tempted to cross a very dangerous road known as Interstate 270. The first time a kid tries walking home I hope the person who approved it is arrested for negligence. Part of the reason why parents want proximity is for it to be safe for their children. Something that apparently MCPS has forgotten about?


There are plenty of schools which have 270 running through their attendance areas.

+1 Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill has to cross 270 to get to JW and RM.


I think the point is QO and NW have the greatest needs that can't be addressed by means other than Crown. MCPS doesn't even need to utilize Crown to deal with Gaithersburg and RM High Schools to fix the problem - it's a make-believe "crisis" by leaving out schools with capacity from the boundary changes. If MCPS wants to reduce the commute times of kids traveling an hour to school, versus providing benefits for Carver, they could do that too. Also, if MCPS is planning to perpetuate the boundary issue with CJMS, that's yet another artificial "crisis" that could be resolved using existing capacity at other schools as well.

I hope every parent fully understands the impact of taking slots away just to give candy to friends and family? Shame on you all.


Northwest can give some students to Seneca valley and Seneca valley gives some to Damascus, then problem solved.
QO can shed 200 students to Wootton. So 200 students surplus for QO is manageable.
RM and Gaithersburg can give to Magruder and Sherwood.

This solves most of overcrowding issues of the five schools. There is no need to build crown at all.


Forgot to mention Watkins Mill which can take another 200 students. So there is no overcrowding issue at all.

Macgruder and Sherwood are far from RM.


Magruder borders with RM. some of RM can shift to Gaithersburg and then Gaithersburg shift to Magruder and Sherwood. Less bussing as well.


And Sherwood borders the NEC, and the NEC borders the DCC, and the leg bone connects to the thigh bone, and the thigh bone connects to the hip bone, and next thing you know, the boundary study will involve all 216 (?) schools in MCPS.


Not sure why tax payers have to pay 200 millions to build an unnecessary school.


It's the excuse not to renovate schools with asbestos.


I don’t see how building crown is helping renovating schools with asbestos. On the opposite, these renovation projects keep being postponed because of building crown is a priority.

Building Crown is less expensive than the 4 expansion/renovation projects that were on the books.


But these expansion/renovation projects still need to be done. Building crown does not solve the problem of these old asbestos buildings.
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Anonymous wrote:Wasn't there some provision where the Crown site was only MCPS's to build on within a specified timeframe, and if they didn't build a school by some deadline, then they would lose the rights to the land?

Many land dedications have expiration dates. I believe Crown was one of them.
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Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.


Looks like someone working at 850 Hungerford is licking their chops?

? I live in the RPES cluster. CGES is closer to Crown than GHS. That's just fact.


And children might be tempted to cross a very dangerous road known as Interstate 270. The first time a kid tries walking home I hope the person who approved it is arrested for negligence. Part of the reason why parents want proximity is for it to be safe for their children. Something that apparently MCPS has forgotten about?


There are plenty of schools which have 270 running through their attendance areas.

+1 Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill has to cross 270 to get to JW and RM.


I think the point is QO and NW have the greatest needs that can't be addressed by means other than Crown. MCPS doesn't even need to utilize Crown to deal with Gaithersburg and RM High Schools to fix the problem - it's a make-believe "crisis" by leaving out schools with capacity from the boundary changes. If MCPS wants to reduce the commute times of kids traveling an hour to school, versus providing benefits for Carver, they could do that too. Also, if MCPS is planning to perpetuate the boundary issue with CJMS, that's yet another artificial "crisis" that could be resolved using existing capacity at other schools as well.

I hope every parent fully understands the impact of taking slots away just to give candy to friends and family? Shame on you all.


That's an odd thing to say about a $180 million capital project for a new high school.


All I want is these new boundaries to maximize REAL diversity.
You're in luck because the boundary policy encourages busing and there are a good number of pro-busers on the BOE. And the rest of them won't object because they don't want to be called racists for not supporting busing...I mean diversity...which will require busing.


So does that mean even more EQUITY! We can't get enough of honors for all and imagine others want more of this too.
Of course. Busing is one of the ways MCPS will show how committed it is to equity.

Diversity is a factor. As are the 3 others. The current, duly elected Board gets to decide how they should each be emphasized.
Diversity is more important than the other 3 factors. It's been that way ever since some unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without notifying the public first. And yes, the BOE members get to decide the boundaries but they must follow that policy. There are also several pro-busing BOE members like Lynn Harris who can't wait to usher in busing.


The way the BoE is going, I think that vouchers and Charters will eventually be on the table again. MCPS is more political than academic.

Once a Public School system goes on the decline, I can't think of a case where it bounced back and became really excellent? It's a vicious cycle. As fewer parents send their kids into Public School or a school system plays games with resourcing kids' education; there's less taxpayers / voters willing to fund it. Once a county gets a 'bad school' rep, it starts losing educated parents (and the tax dollars that go with it). The Public School becomes a dumping ground for kids who's parents can't afford private school.

I think we're seeing it happening already with MCPS' declining National Rankings. It used to be pretty good 20 years ago, but now? Look at the "famous graduates" from the schools. Are they Nobel Laureates? President's? Billionaire CEOs? MCPS can bash sources like U.S. News all day long, but it doesn't change the fact that that's the National perception that colleges look at. It's sad.
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Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.


Looks like someone working at 850 Hungerford is licking their chops?

? I live in the RPES cluster. CGES is closer to Crown than GHS. That's just fact.


And children might be tempted to cross a very dangerous road known as Interstate 270. The first time a kid tries walking home I hope the person who approved it is arrested for negligence. Part of the reason why parents want proximity is for it to be safe for their children. Something that apparently MCPS has forgotten about?


There are plenty of schools which have 270 running through their attendance areas.

+1 Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill has to cross 270 to get to JW and RM.


I think the point is QO and NW have the greatest needs that can't be addressed by means other than Crown. MCPS doesn't even need to utilize Crown to deal with Gaithersburg and RM High Schools to fix the problem - it's a make-believe "crisis" by leaving out schools with capacity from the boundary changes. If MCPS wants to reduce the commute times of kids traveling an hour to school, versus providing benefits for Carver, they could do that too. Also, if MCPS is planning to perpetuate the boundary issue with CJMS, that's yet another artificial "crisis" that could be resolved using existing capacity at other schools as well.

I hope every parent fully understands the impact of taking slots away just to give candy to friends and family? Shame on you all.


That's an odd thing to say about a $180 million capital project for a new high school.


All I want is these new boundaries to maximize REAL diversity.
You're in luck because the boundary policy encourages busing and there are a good number of pro-busers on the BOE. And the rest of them won't object because they don't want to be called racists for not supporting busing...I mean diversity...which will require busing.


So does that mean even more EQUITY! We can't get enough of honors for all and imagine others want more of this too.
Of course. Busing is one of the ways MCPS will show how committed it is to equity.

Diversity is a factor. As are the 3 others. The current, duly elected Board gets to decide how they should each be emphasized.
Diversity is more important than the other 3 factors. It's been that way ever since some unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without notifying the public first. And yes, the BOE members get to decide the boundaries but they must follow that policy. There are also several pro-busing BOE members like Lynn Harris who can't wait to usher in busing.


The way the BoE is going, I think that vouchers and Charters will eventually be on the table again. MCPS is more political than academic.

Once a Public School system goes on the decline, I can't think of a case where it bounced back and became really excellent? It's a vicious cycle. As fewer parents send their kids into Public School or a school system plays games with resourcing kids' education; there's less taxpayers / voters willing to fund it. Once a county gets a 'bad school' rep, it starts losing educated parents (and the tax dollars that go with it). The Public School becomes a dumping ground for kids who's parents can't afford private school.


I suggested an extremely similar sentiment in another thread and got a lot of snide comments back.

I see this redistricting effort as a crossroads. I agree that our public schools have seen some decline, but I think our top public schools are still doing very well. They have excellent performance, and they are still attracting people who value their kids getting a strong public education.

What I really hope happens is that BOE uses Woodward and Crown as opportunities to create new clusters of high performing school without disrupting top performers. I think if you leave the proven communities be and build new facilities, you will naturally attract good staff and families from diverse racial and socioeconomic backgrounds who value a strong public education. This is a recipe for creating another top school and adding it to the list.

If BOE instead chooses to make sweeping changes to its top schools for political reasons, and the ratings start to tank, I think they will send their best schools into a tailspin like you described and our net performance will drop significantly.

We'll see how it plays out. I'm choosing to stay optimistic.
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I hope they use Woodward and crown as a means too create greater diversity and all MCPS schools. This is the only path too improvement.
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Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.


Looks like someone working at 850 Hungerford is licking their chops?

? I live in the RPES cluster. CGES is closer to Crown than GHS. That's just fact.


And children might be tempted to cross a very dangerous road known as Interstate 270. The first time a kid tries walking home I hope the person who approved it is arrested for negligence. Part of the reason why parents want proximity is for it to be safe for their children. Something that apparently MCPS has forgotten about?


There are plenty of schools which have 270 running through their attendance areas.

+1 Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill has to cross 270 to get to JW and RM.


I think the point is QO and NW have the greatest needs that can't be addressed by means other than Crown. MCPS doesn't even need to utilize Crown to deal with Gaithersburg and RM High Schools to fix the problem - it's a make-believe "crisis" by leaving out schools with capacity from the boundary changes. If MCPS wants to reduce the commute times of kids traveling an hour to school, versus providing benefits for Carver, they could do that too. Also, if MCPS is planning to perpetuate the boundary issue with CJMS, that's yet another artificial "crisis" that could be resolved using existing capacity at other schools as well.

I hope every parent fully understands the impact of taking slots away just to give candy to friends and family? Shame on you all.


That's an odd thing to say about a $180 million capital project for a new high school.


All I want is these new boundaries to maximize REAL diversity.
You're in luck because the boundary policy encourages busing and there are a good number of pro-busers on the BOE. And the rest of them won't object because they don't want to be called racists for not supporting busing...I mean diversity...which will require busing.


So does that mean even more EQUITY! We can't get enough of honors for all and imagine others want more of this too.
Of course. Busing is one of the ways MCPS will show how committed it is to equity.

Diversity is a factor. As are the 3 others. The current, duly elected Board gets to decide how they should each be emphasized.
Diversity is more important than the other 3 factors. It's been that way ever since some unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without notifying the public first. And yes, the BOE members get to decide the boundaries but they must follow that policy. There are also several pro-busing BOE members like Lynn Harris who can't wait to usher in busing.


The way the BoE is going, I think that vouchers and Charters will eventually be on the table again. MCPS is more political than academic.

Once a Public School system goes on the decline, I can't think of a case where it bounced back and became really excellent? It's a vicious cycle. As fewer parents send their kids into Public School or a school system plays games with resourcing kids' education; there's less taxpayers / voters willing to fund it. Once a county gets a 'bad school' rep, it starts losing educated parents (and the tax dollars that go with it). The Public School becomes a dumping ground for kids who's parents can't afford private school.


I suggested an extremely similar sentiment in another thread and got a lot of snide comments back.

I see this redistricting effort as a crossroads. I agree that our public schools have seen some decline, but I think our top public schools are still doing very well. They have excellent performance, and they are still attracting people who value their kids getting a strong public education.

What I really hope happens is that BOE uses Woodward and Crown as opportunities to create new clusters of high performing school without disrupting top performers. I think if you leave the proven communities be and build new facilities, you will naturally attract good staff and families from diverse racial and socioeconomic backgrounds who value a strong public education. This is a recipe for creating another top school and adding it to the list.

If BOE instead chooses to make sweeping changes to its top schools for political reasons, and the ratings start to tank, I think they will send their best schools into a tailspin like you described and our net performance will drop significantly.

We'll see how it plays out. I'm choosing to stay optimistic.


Those are top schools because they exclude the influx of undocumented immigrants that have otherwise changed the county. When I look a little deeper, it seems schools are as good as ever; just demographics have changed. I object to classifying schools as top schools because they have segregated boundaries. Diversity won't make them any less. You just need to accept that this is happening.
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I just can’t understand why BOE does not think about what really makes the schools better.

We live in East county, even though the DCUMs despise us, enjoyed the neighborhood ES and MS. We have a diverse group of family friends who we have known since K. But the safety at HS and the direction that MCPS is heading worries us all, and kids who could get into magnets will leave, who could afford privates will leave.

One of the private school’s tour I’ve attended had 6 parents, 4 were from MCPS. 3 were from East county schools, probably originally never thought about sending kids to private schools. As pp above, I hope the Woodward will bring in positive new vibes in to the community, and MCPS heads back to its great shape that it uses to be.
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Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.


Looks like someone working at 850 Hungerford is licking their chops?

? I live in the RPES cluster. CGES is closer to Crown than GHS. That's just fact.


And children might be tempted to cross a very dangerous road known as Interstate 270. The first time a kid tries walking home I hope the person who approved it is arrested for negligence. Part of the reason why parents want proximity is for it to be safe for their children. Something that apparently MCPS has forgotten about?


There are plenty of schools which have 270 running through their attendance areas.

+1 Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill has to cross 270 to get to JW and RM.


I think the point is QO and NW have the greatest needs that can't be addressed by means other than Crown. MCPS doesn't even need to utilize Crown to deal with Gaithersburg and RM High Schools to fix the problem - it's a make-believe "crisis" by leaving out schools with capacity from the boundary changes. If MCPS wants to reduce the commute times of kids traveling an hour to school, versus providing benefits for Carver, they could do that too. Also, if MCPS is planning to perpetuate the boundary issue with CJMS, that's yet another artificial "crisis" that could be resolved using existing capacity at other schools as well.

I hope every parent fully understands the impact of taking slots away just to give candy to friends and family? Shame on you all.


That's an odd thing to say about a $180 million capital project for a new high school.


All I want is these new boundaries to maximize REAL diversity.
You're in luck because the boundary policy encourages busing and there are a good number of pro-busers on the BOE. And the rest of them won't object because they don't want to be called racists for not supporting busing...I mean diversity...which will require busing.


So does that mean even more EQUITY! We can't get enough of honors for all and imagine others want more of this too.
Of course. Busing is one of the ways MCPS will show how committed it is to equity.

Diversity is a factor. As are the 3 others. The current, duly elected Board gets to decide how they should each be emphasized.
Diversity is more important than the other 3 factors. It's been that way ever since some unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without notifying the public first. And yes, the BOE members get to decide the boundaries but they must follow that policy. There are also several pro-busing BOE members like Lynn Harris who can't wait to usher in busing.


The way the BoE is going, I think that vouchers and Charters will eventually be on the table again. MCPS is more political than academic.

Once a Public School system goes on the decline, I can't think of a case where it bounced back and became really excellent? It's a vicious cycle. As fewer parents send their kids into Public School or a school system plays games with resourcing kids' education; there's less taxpayers / voters willing to fund it. Once a county gets a 'bad school' rep, it starts losing educated parents (and the tax dollars that go with it). The Public School becomes a dumping ground for kids who's parents can't afford private school.


I suggested an extremely similar sentiment in another thread and got a lot of snide comments back.

I see this redistricting effort as a crossroads. I agree that our public schools have seen some decline, but I think our top public schools are still doing very well. They have excellent performance, and they are still attracting people who value their kids getting a strong public education.

What I really hope happens is that BOE uses Woodward and Crown as opportunities to create new clusters of high performing school without disrupting top performers. I think if you leave the proven communities be and build new facilities, you will naturally attract good staff and families from diverse racial and socioeconomic backgrounds who value a strong public education. This is a recipe for creating another top school and adding it to the list.

If BOE instead chooses to make sweeping changes to its top schools for political reasons, and the ratings start to tank, I think they will send their best schools into a tailspin like you described and our net performance will drop significantly.

We'll see how it plays out. I'm choosing to stay optimistic.
Unfortunately this goes against everything MCPS says it stands for. Equity takes from the top and gives to the bottom. So they're going to redo boundaries with that same mindset and it's going to be a disaster. I hope I'm wrong.
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Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.


Looks like someone working at 850 Hungerford is licking their chops?

? I live in the RPES cluster. CGES is closer to Crown than GHS. That's just fact.


And children might be tempted to cross a very dangerous road known as Interstate 270. The first time a kid tries walking home I hope the person who approved it is arrested for negligence. Part of the reason why parents want proximity is for it to be safe for their children. Something that apparently MCPS has forgotten about?


There are plenty of schools which have 270 running through their attendance areas.

+1 Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill has to cross 270 to get to JW and RM.


I think the point is QO and NW have the greatest needs that can't be addressed by means other than Crown. MCPS doesn't even need to utilize Crown to deal with Gaithersburg and RM High Schools to fix the problem - it's a make-believe "crisis" by leaving out schools with capacity from the boundary changes. If MCPS wants to reduce the commute times of kids traveling an hour to school, versus providing benefits for Carver, they could do that too. Also, if MCPS is planning to perpetuate the boundary issue with CJMS, that's yet another artificial "crisis" that could be resolved using existing capacity at other schools as well.

I hope every parent fully understands the impact of taking slots away just to give candy to friends and family? Shame on you all.


That's an odd thing to say about a $180 million capital project for a new high school.


All I want is these new boundaries to maximize REAL diversity.
You're in luck because the boundary policy encourages busing and there are a good number of pro-busers on the BOE. And the rest of them won't object because they don't want to be called racists for not supporting busing...I mean diversity...which will require busing.


So does that mean even more EQUITY! We can't get enough of honors for all and imagine others want more of this too.
Of course. Busing is one of the ways MCPS will show how committed it is to equity.

Diversity is a factor. As are the 3 others. The current, duly elected Board gets to decide how they should each be emphasized.
Diversity is more important than the other 3 factors. It's been that way ever since some unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without notifying the public first. And yes, the BOE members get to decide the boundaries but they must follow that policy. There are also several pro-busing BOE members like Lynn Harris who can't wait to usher in busing.


The way the BoE is going, I think that vouchers and Charters will eventually be on the table again. MCPS is more political than academic.

Once a Public School system goes on the decline, I can't think of a case where it bounced back and became really excellent? It's a vicious cycle. As fewer parents send their kids into Public School or a school system plays games with resourcing kids' education; there's less taxpayers / voters willing to fund it. Once a county gets a 'bad school' rep, it starts losing educated parents (and the tax dollars that go with it). The Public School becomes a dumping ground for kids who's parents can't afford private school.


I suggested an extremely similar sentiment in another thread and got a lot of snide comments back.

I see this redistricting effort as a crossroads. I agree that our public schools have seen some decline, but I think our top public schools are still doing very well. They have excellent performance, and they are still attracting people who value their kids getting a strong public education.

What I really hope happens is that BOE uses Woodward and Crown as opportunities to create new clusters of high performing school without disrupting top performers. I think if you leave the proven communities be and build new facilities, you will naturally attract good staff and families from diverse racial and socioeconomic backgrounds who value a strong public education. This is a recipe for creating another top school and adding it to the list.

If BOE instead chooses to make sweeping changes to its top schools for political reasons, and the ratings start to tank, I think they will send their best schools into a tailspin like you described and our net performance will drop significantly.

We'll see how it plays out. I'm choosing to stay optimistic.


Those are top schools because they exclude the influx of undocumented immigrants that have otherwise changed the county. When I look a little deeper, it seems schools are as good as ever; just demographics have changed. I object to classifying schools as top schools because they have segregated boundaries. Diversity won't make them any less. You just need to accept that this is happening.


"Exclusion" implies that these schools or their staff are actively choosing not to allow in immigrants. That is not true. The home values that are zoned to these schools are higher because parents who value education compete for them. Undocumented immigrants have fewer resources, so fewer of them can afford to live in these school districts.

In our school system, a middle class family of any race or background can buy a townhouse or condo zoned to a top tier school and their kids will join a peer group of high performers. If you break those communities, and break that system, everybody loses.

BOE has a choice of whether or not they want to allow those schools to flourish. If they don't, and their performance tanks, I'm not going to "accept that it is happening", I'm going to pull my kids out and put them in a classroom with focused peers who want to succeed.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone to suggest that Rosemont or College Gardens or Washington Grove should move to Crown is seriously crazy. Those boundaries need to shift east where there is existing capacity, not west. If space is such an issue at RM, then Magruder HS can take 194 students. Rosemont and Washington Grove are under Gaithersburg HS, which can shift students north to Watkins Mill HS which has 169 capacity.

Similarly, Richie Park ES (also West MS / RM HS, but on the same side of 270 along Wootton Parkway within walking distance of Wootton) should rightfully be moved to Wootton HS. That also frees up slots for students closer to Crown on the same side of 270. That makes way more sense than moving College Gardens ES (on the other side of 270) to Crown HS.

? If you look the map, CGES neighborhood is closer to where Crown HS will be than Macgruder or GHS. They'd have to cross 370 to get to GHS, or 270 to get to Crown.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, but Crown is closer. And since Crown is being built, they aren't going to shit CGES to Macgruder.


Looks like someone working at 850 Hungerford is licking their chops?

? I live in the RPES cluster. CGES is closer to Crown than GHS. That's just fact.


And children might be tempted to cross a very dangerous road known as Interstate 270. The first time a kid tries walking home I hope the person who approved it is arrested for negligence. Part of the reason why parents want proximity is for it to be safe for their children. Something that apparently MCPS has forgotten about?


There are plenty of schools which have 270 running through their attendance areas.

+1 Fallsgrove and Horizon Hill has to cross 270 to get to JW and RM.


I think the point is QO and NW have the greatest needs that can't be addressed by means other than Crown. MCPS doesn't even need to utilize Crown to deal with Gaithersburg and RM High Schools to fix the problem - it's a make-believe "crisis" by leaving out schools with capacity from the boundary changes. If MCPS wants to reduce the commute times of kids traveling an hour to school, versus providing benefits for Carver, they could do that too. Also, if MCPS is planning to perpetuate the boundary issue with CJMS, that's yet another artificial "crisis" that could be resolved using existing capacity at other schools as well.

I hope every parent fully understands the impact of taking slots away just to give candy to friends and family? Shame on you all.


That's an odd thing to say about a $180 million capital project for a new high school.


All I want is these new boundaries to maximize REAL diversity.
You're in luck because the boundary policy encourages busing and there are a good number of pro-busers on the BOE. And the rest of them won't object because they don't want to be called racists for not supporting busing...I mean diversity...which will require busing.


So does that mean even more EQUITY! We can't get enough of honors for all and imagine others want more of this too.
Of course. Busing is one of the ways MCPS will show how committed it is to equity.

Diversity is a factor. As are the 3 others. The current, duly elected Board gets to decide how they should each be emphasized.
Diversity is more important than the other 3 factors. It's been that way ever since some unscrupulous BOE members altered the boundary policy without notifying the public first. And yes, the BOE members get to decide the boundaries but they must follow that policy. There are also several pro-busing BOE members like Lynn Harris who can't wait to usher in busing.


The way the BoE is going, I think that vouchers and Charters will eventually be on the table again. MCPS is more political than academic.

Once a Public School system goes on the decline, I can't think of a case where it bounced back and became really excellent? It's a vicious cycle. As fewer parents send their kids into Public School or a school system plays games with resourcing kids' education; there's less taxpayers / voters willing to fund it. Once a county gets a 'bad school' rep, it starts losing educated parents (and the tax dollars that go with it). The Public School becomes a dumping ground for kids who's parents can't afford private school.


I suggested an extremely similar sentiment in another thread and got a lot of snide comments back.

I see this redistricting effort as a crossroads. I agree that our public schools have seen some decline, but I think our top public schools are still doing very well. They have excellent performance, and they are still attracting people who value their kids getting a strong public education.

What I really hope happens is that BOE uses Woodward and Crown as opportunities to create new clusters of high performing school without disrupting top performers. I think if you leave the proven communities be and build new facilities, you will naturally attract good staff and families from diverse racial and socioeconomic backgrounds who value a strong public education. This is a recipe for creating another top school and adding it to the list.

If BOE instead chooses to make sweeping changes to its top schools for political reasons, and the ratings start to tank, I think they will send their best schools into a tailspin like you described and our net performance will drop significantly.

We'll see how it plays out. I'm choosing to stay optimistic.


Those are top schools because they exclude the influx of undocumented immigrants that have otherwise changed the county. When I look a little deeper, it seems schools are as good as ever; just demographics have changed. I object to classifying schools as top schools because they have segregated boundaries. Diversity won't make them any less. You just need to accept that this is happening.


"Exclusion" implies that these schools or their staff are actively choosing not to allow in immigrants. That is not true. The home values that are zoned to these schools are higher because parents who value education compete for them. Undocumented immigrants have fewer resources, so fewer of them can afford to live in these school districts.

In our school system, a middle class family of any race or background can buy a townhouse or condo zoned to a top tier school and their kids will join a peer group of high performers. If you break those communities, and break that system, everybody loses.

BOE has a choice of whether or not they want to allow those schools to flourish. If they don't, and their performance tanks, I'm not going to "accept that it is happening", I'm going to pull my kids out and put them in a classroom with focused peers who want to succeed.



DCUM's gonna DCUM.
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