Wealthy donors pull funding from from Harvard and U Penn for failure to denounce “antisemitism”

[Anonymous]

Did ya'll see the very large of pro Hamas demonstrators on Harvard? This was a very very large demonstration. Google the pictures. It is disgusting to see terrorists celebrated on US soil.

We've heard the jargon "trigger warning" "safe space" for years.

I'm not Jewish but I would be fearful to be Jewish on an Ivy campus now.

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Anonymous wrote:I see wealthy jewish folks starting to go to/support schools with medical centers like Chicago, Michigan, and Florida who took an unequivocal stand on the terrorism. While elite schools have large endowments, even Penn has a significant ally lower endowment than Harvard on a per student basis. Large donors are unlikely to give after this past week elites aligned with Republicans and Democrats are both not happy. Schools kind of brought this on themselves when they started releasing political statements mostly after the Trump election.

As in it's happening now or you foresee it happening in the future?

I mean in the future. UF and UMich already have a large Jewish student population, but I could see billionaires focusing on schools besides Harvard now, especially as long as Claudine Gay is president. Penn and Cornell are the two ivies with the most Jewish students and they did not take a stand immediately. For people like Wexman and Ackerman to say they’re not donating to Harvard anymore, that means they don’t care if their grandchildren attend. It would be like a major Sidwell donor making a stink- it’s a big deal. Wexman’s kids already graduated and know at least one Ackerman kid is a student.

Who cares? There are millions of extremely bright young people vying to attend Harvard and hundreds of thousands willing to pay the piper. It is Ackerman and Wexman that need an association with Harvard's brand and influence.

Also, i would not worry about extremely bright and passionate Harvard students remaining jobless, they'll take their human capital somewhere else. The loss is on the employers.

Nah, Harvard is selling brand, prestige, access and exclusivity. All of this is sustained through mutually reinforcing multiplier and network effects.

Nah, in a world where the most valuable capital is intellectual capital, Harvard students have the upper hand. They have more options than employers.

But what is demonstrated is that Harvard seems to be losing that intellectual capital. Harvard students actually don’t have the upper hand. They joined Harvard based on the promise of being able to join influential circles. And if they continue down this path opportunities will be given to other students, not Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did ya'll see the very large of pro Hamas demonstrators on Harvard? This was a very very large demonstration. Google the pictures. It is disgusting to see terrorists celebrated on US soil.

We've heard the jargon "trigger warning" "safe space" for years.

I'm not Jewish but I would be fearful to be Jewish on an Ivy campus now.

Okay keep trolling!

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Anonymous wrote:Did ya'll see the very large of pro Hamas demonstrators on Harvard? This was a very very large demonstration. Google the pictures. It is disgusting to see terrorists celebrated on US soil.

We've heard the jargon "trigger warning" "safe space" for years.

I'm not Jewish but I would be fearful to be Jewish on an Ivy campus now.

Same thing happened at Columbia. Thousands of protestors yelling “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” as hundreds of Jewish students and their allies hold pictures of hostages and people killed by Hamas in the October 7th attack.

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Anonymous wrote:American Universities have no obligation to a foreign nation and have the right to not get entangled in international conflicts. They have an obligation to their students to uphold the US Constitution and American values, chief of which is freedom of speech.

Donors and employers have no obligation to donate or employ a university's graduates.

That's correct, they don't. And by my calculation donors and employers have more to lose than the Universities and the students. Harvard has a brand that it has successfully managed for hundreds of years. It sustains that brand by publicly upholding certain values and selecting students that have the potential to become extremely accomplished adults and rides on their accomplishments. At the end of the day, what Harvard cannot afford to lose is its brand, not a couple of donors.

Harvard is slowly losing its brand. You think employers don’t look askance at admitting students based on race instead of abilities? This latest debacle adds to it. If I am a quant hedge fund I’ll hire someone from MIT actually good at math instead of a SJW Harvard admit

The hedge funds that could hire from MIT were doing so already. You don't settle for MIT students because you are on a break with your first choice. MIT was always first choice. If those employers weren't hiring from MIT before this " loss" of brand, they certainly wouldn't be able to now.

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Anonymous wrote:I see wealthy jewish folks starting to go to/support schools with medical centers like Chicago, Michigan, and Florida who took an unequivocal stand on the terrorism. While elite schools have large endowments, even Penn has a significant ally lower endowment than Harvard on a per student basis. Large donors are unlikely to give after this past week elites aligned with Republicans and Democrats are both not happy. Schools kind of brought this on themselves when they started releasing political statements mostly after the Trump election.

As in it's happening now or you foresee it happening in the future?

I mean in the future. UF and UMich already have a large Jewish student population, but I could see billionaires focusing on schools besides Harvard now, especially as long as Claudine Gay is president. Penn and Cornell are the two ivies with the most Jewish students and they did not take a stand immediately. For people like Wexman and Ackerman to say they’re not donating to Harvard anymore, that means they don’t care if their grandchildren attend. It would be like a major Sidwell donor making a stink- it’s a big deal. Wexman’s kids already graduated and know at least one Ackerman kid is a student.

Who cares? There are millions of extremely bright young people vying to attend Harvard and hundreds of thousands willing to pay the piper. It is Ackerman and Wexman that need an association with Harvard's brand and influence.

Also, i would not worry about extremely bright and passionate Harvard students remaining jobless, they'll take their human capital somewhere else. The loss is on the employers.

Nah, Harvard is selling brand, prestige, access and exclusivity. All of this is sustained through mutually reinforcing multiplier and network effects.

Nah, in a world where the most valuable capital is intellectual capital, Harvard students have the upper hand. They have more options than employers.

But what is demonstrated is that Harvard seems to be losing that intellectual capital. Harvard students actually don’t have the upper hand. They joined Harvard based on the promise of being able to join influential circles. And if they continue down this path opportunities will be given to other students, not Harvard.

So you are saying Jews control the world and will only support other Jews and those who vocally support an Israel?

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Anonymous wrote:I see wealthy jewish folks starting to go to/support schools with medical centers like Chicago, Michigan, and Florida who took an unequivocal stand on the terrorism. While elite schools have large endowments, even Penn has a significant ally lower endowment than Harvard on a per student basis. Large donors are unlikely to give after this past week elites aligned with Republicans and Democrats are both not happy. Schools kind of brought this on themselves when they started releasing political statements mostly after the Trump election.

As in it's happening now or you foresee it happening in the future?

I mean in the future. UF and UMich already have a large Jewish student population, but I could see billionaires focusing on schools besides Harvard now, especially as long as Claudine Gay is president. Penn and Cornell are the two ivies with the most Jewish students and they did not take a stand immediately. For people like Wexman and Ackerman to say they’re not donating to Harvard anymore, that means they don’t care if their grandchildren attend. It would be like a major Sidwell donor making a stink- it’s a big deal. Wexman’s kids already graduated and know at least one Ackerman kid is a student.

Who cares? There are millions of extremely bright young people vying to attend Harvard and hundreds of thousands willing to pay the piper. It is Ackerman and Wexman that need an association with Harvard's brand and influence.

Also, i would not worry about extremely bright and passionate Harvard students remaining jobless, they'll take their human capital somewhere else. The loss is on the employers.

Nah, Harvard is selling brand, prestige, access and exclusivity. All of this is sustained through mutually reinforcing multiplier and network effects.

Nah, in a world where the most valuable capital is intellectual capital, Harvard students have the upper hand. They have more options than employers.

But what is demonstrated is that Harvard seems to be losing that intellectual capital. Harvard students actually don’t have the upper hand. They joined Harvard based on the promise of being able to join influential circles. And if they continue down this path opportunities will be given to other students, not Harvard.

Some of the most successful Harvard students are those that dropped out. At the end of the day cream rises to the top. Business is not a moral endeavor, it's based on abilities.

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Anonymous wrote:American Universities have no obligation to a foreign nation and have the right to not get entangled in international conflicts. They have an obligation to their students to uphold the US Constitution and American values, chief of which is freedom of speech.

Donors and employers have no obligation to donate or employ a university's graduates.

That's correct, they don't. And by my calculation donors and employers have more to lose than the Universities and the students. Harvard has a brand that it has successfully managed for hundreds of years. It sustains that brand by publicly upholding certain values and selecting students that have the potential to become extremely accomplished adults and rides on their accomplishments. At the end of the day, what Harvard cannot afford to lose is its brand, not a couple of donors.

Harvard is slowly losing its brand. You think employers don’t look askance at admitting students based on race instead of abilities? This latest debacle adds to it. If I am a quant hedge fund I’ll hire someone from MIT actually good at math instead of a SJW Harvard admit

The hedge funds that could hire from MIT were doing so already. You don't settle for MIT students because you are on a break with your first choice. MIT was always first choice. If those employers weren't hiring from MIT before this " loss" of brand, they certainly wouldn't be able to now.

One less harvard student at a certain firm means one more mit student at that firm. There are limited openings at every firm and at that level most people are of equal talent.

[Anonymous]

All of the following are true:

- those students were idiots - as most college students are - to release such a blunt statement in the wake of such a horrifying attack - all human life is precious and deserving of reverence (including the lives being destroyed in Gaza at this very moment with the support of our hard-earned tax dollars)

- I assume these morally principled oligarchs will not send their spawn to Harvard?

- Harvard never should have taken a penny from Wexner - a known Epstein associate. (Ditto Sackler, et al) Disgusting.

- how humiliating for Harvard to reveal how tightly their strings are pulled by oligarchs but serves them right for bending for money when they have more than enough to never need another penny (and all of it tax-free at that)

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Anonymous wrote:I see wealthy jewish folks starting to go to/support schools with medical centers like Chicago, Michigan, and Florida who took an unequivocal stand on the terrorism. While elite schools have large endowments, even Penn has a significant ally lower endowment than Harvard on a per student basis. Large donors are unlikely to give after this past week elites aligned with Republicans and Democrats are both not happy. Schools kind of brought this on themselves when they started releasing political statements mostly after the Trump election.

As in it's happening now or you foresee it happening in the future?

I mean in the future. UF and UMich already have a large Jewish student population, but I could see billionaires focusing on schools besides Harvard now, especially as long as Claudine Gay is president. Penn and Cornell are the two ivies with the most Jewish students and they did not take a stand immediately. For people like Wexman and Ackerman to say they’re not donating to Harvard anymore, that means they don’t care if their grandchildren attend. It would be like a major Sidwell donor making a stink- it’s a big deal. Wexman’s kids already graduated and know at least one Ackerman kid is a student.

Who cares? There are millions of extremely bright young people vying to attend Harvard and hundreds of thousands willing to pay the piper. It is Ackerman and Wexman that need an association with Harvard's brand and influence.

Also, i would not worry about extremely bright and passionate Harvard students remaining jobless, they'll take their human capital somewhere else. The loss is on the employers.

Nah, Harvard is selling brand, prestige, access and exclusivity. All of this is sustained through mutually reinforcing multiplier and network effects.

Nah, in a world where the most valuable capital is intellectual capital, Harvard students have the upper hand. They have more options than employers.

But what is demonstrated is that Harvard seems to be losing that intellectual capital. Harvard students actually don’t have the upper hand. They joined Harvard based on the promise of being able to join influential circles. And if they continue down this path opportunities will be given to other students, not Harvard.

Some of the most successful Harvard students are those that dropped out. At the end of the day cream rises to the top. Business is not a moral endeavor, it's based on abilities.

Seriously, what business world are you living in?

Goodness, DCUM can be so out of touch sometimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
All of the following are true:

- those students were idiots - as most college students are - to release such a blunt statement in the wake of such a horrifying attack - all human life is precious and deserving of reverence (including the lives being destroyed in Gaza at this very moment with the support of our hard-earned tax dollars)

- I assume these morally principled oligarchs will not send their spawn to Harvard?

- Harvard never should have taken a penny from Wexner - a known Epstein associate. (Ditto Sackler, et al) Disgusting.

- how humiliating for Harvard to reveal how tightly their strings are pulled by oligarchs but serves them right for bending for money when they have more than enough to never need another penny (and all of it tax-free at that)

I had all of these reactions too. The students showed really bad judgement. Harvard could have distanced itself much sooner. (I got a mass email from the president of Penn, another too little-too late.)

And also: why was Harvard taking money from Epstein crony Wexler—because Harvard is for sale to the highest bidder?

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Anonymous wrote:Universities created their left wing monsters. Now they can reap what they’ve sown. A bunch of terrorist supporting whack jobs are their student body now.

Remind me who stormed the US Capitol on Jan 6th?

Liberal here (DP). The radical fringes on both sides are absolutely an issue. More so on the right from a democracy perspective, but also on the left from an unhinged, vitriol one.

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Anonymous wrote:American Universities have no obligation to a foreign nation and have the right to not get entangled in international conflicts. They have an obligation to their students to uphold the US Constitution and American values, chief of which is freedom of speech.

Donors and employers have no obligation to donate or employ a university's graduates.

That's correct, they don't. And by my calculation donors and employers have more to lose than the Universities and the students. Harvard has a brand that it has successfully managed for hundreds of years. It sustains that brand by publicly upholding certain values and selecting students that have the potential to become extremely accomplished adults and rides on their accomplishments. At the end of the day, what Harvard cannot afford to lose is its brand, not a couple of donors.

Harvard is slowly losing its brand. You think employers don’t look askance at admitting students based on race instead of abilities? This latest debacle adds to it. If I am a quant hedge fund I’ll hire someone from MIT actually good at math instead of a SJW Harvard admit

The hedge funds that could hire from MIT were doing so already. You don't settle for MIT students because you are on a break with your first choice. MIT was always first choice. If those employers weren't hiring from MIT before this " loss" of brand, they certainly wouldn't be able to now.

One less harvard student at a certain firm means one more mit student at that firm. There are limited openings at every firm and at that level most people are of equal talent.

No problem, tens of thousands of jobs in Silicon valley paying in equity. Good luck vying for the 1100 MIT grads most of which will head for tech and research.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see wealthy jewish folks starting to go to/support schools with medical centers like Chicago, Michigan, and Florida who took an unequivocal stand on the terrorism. While elite schools have large endowments, even Penn has a significant ally lower endowment than Harvard on a per student basis. Large donors are unlikely to give after this past week elites aligned with Republicans and Democrats are both not happy. Schools kind of brought this on themselves when they started releasing political statements mostly after the Trump election.

As in it's happening now or you foresee it happening in the future?

I mean in the future. UF and UMich already have a large Jewish student population, but I could see billionaires focusing on schools besides Harvard now, especially as long as Claudine Gay is president. Penn and Cornell are the two ivies with the most Jewish students and they did not take a stand immediately. For people like Wexman and Ackerman to say they’re not donating to Harvard anymore, that means they don’t care if their grandchildren attend. It would be like a major Sidwell donor making a stink- it’s a big deal. Wexman’s kids already graduated and know at least one Ackerman kid is a student.

Who cares? There are millions of extremely bright young people vying to attend Harvard and hundreds of thousands willing to pay the piper. It is Ackerman and Wexman that need an association with Harvard's brand and influence.

Also, i would not worry about extremely bright and passionate Harvard students remaining jobless, they'll take their human capital somewhere else. The loss is on the employers.

Nah, Harvard is selling brand, prestige, access and exclusivity. All of this is sustained through mutually reinforcing multiplier and network effects.

Nah, in a world where the most valuable capital is intellectual capital, Harvard students have the upper hand. They have more options than employers.

But what is demonstrated is that Harvard seems to be losing that intellectual capital. Harvard students actually don’t have the upper hand. They joined Harvard based on the promise of being able to join influential circles. And if they continue down this path opportunities will be given to other students, not Harvard.

Some of the most successful Harvard students are those that dropped out. At the end of the day cream rises to the top. Business is not a moral endeavor, it's based on abilities.

Seriously, what business world are you living in?

Goodness, DCUM can be so out of touch sometimes.

A world that includes Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and many others.

[Anonymous]

If someone’s b-b-but “nuance” doesn’t allow them the moral space to condemn the massacre of Jews by a neofascist racist Hamas, then that is a mental health problem colleges need to address.