Wealthy donors pull funding from from Harvard and U Penn for failure to denounce “antisemitism”

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Nothing, it seems, can trump the careerism and fetishization of “top colleges” for so many posters in the DMV. Their god is US News and World Report.

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Anonymous wrote:I see wealthy jewish folks starting to go to/support schools with medical centers like Chicago, Michigan, and Florida who took an unequivocal stand on the terrorism. While elite schools have large endowments, even Penn has a significant ally lower endowment than Harvard on a per student basis. Large donors are unlikely to give after this past week elites aligned with Republicans and Democrats are both not happy. Schools kind of brought this on themselves when they started releasing political statements mostly after the Trump election.

As in it's happening now or you foresee it happening in the future?

I mean in the future. UF and UMich already have a large Jewish student population, but I could see billionaires focusing on schools besides Harvard now, especially as long as Claudine Gay is president. Penn and Cornell are the two ivies with the most Jewish students and they did not take a stand immediately. For people like Wexman and Ackerman to say they’re not donating to Harvard anymore, that means they don’t care if their grandchildren attend. It would be like a major Sidwell donor making a stink- it’s a big deal. Wexman’s kids already graduated and know at least one Ackerman kid is a student.

Who cares? There are millions of extremely bright young people vying to attend Harvard and hundreds of thousands willing to pay the piper. It is Ackerman and Wexman that need an association with Harvard's brand and influence.

Also, i would not worry about extremely bright and passionate Harvard students remaining jobless, they'll take their human capital somewhere else. The loss is on the employers.

Nah, Harvard is selling brand, prestige, access and exclusivity. All of this is sustained through mutually reinforcing multiplier and network effects.

Nah, in a world where the most valuable capital is intellectual capital, Harvard students have the upper hand. They have more options than employers.

But what is demonstrated is that Harvard seems to be losing that intellectual capital. Harvard students actually don’t have the upper hand. They joined Harvard based on the promise of being able to join influential circles. And if they continue down this path opportunities will be given to other students, not Harvard.

Some of the most successful Harvard students are those that dropped out. At the end of the day cream rises to the top. Business is not a moral endeavor, it's based on abilities.

Seriously, what business world are you living in?

Goodness, DCUM can be so out of touch sometimes.

A world that includes Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and many others.

Do you know who Bill Gates is? His father was one of the most connected men in this country and that buoyed his early business career greatly. Bill Gates is as Harvard as they come. Please stop.

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Anonymous wrote:American Universities have no obligation to a foreign nation and have the right to not get entangled in international conflicts. They have an obligation to their students to uphold the US Constitution and American values, chief of which is freedom of speech.

Donors and employers have no obligation to donate or employ a university's graduates.

That's correct, they don't. And by my calculation donors and employers have more to lose than the Universities and the students. Harvard has a brand that it has successfully managed for hundreds of years. It sustains that brand by publicly upholding certain values and selecting students that have the potential to become extremely accomplished adults and rides on their accomplishments. At the end of the day, what Harvard cannot afford to lose is its brand, not a couple of donors.

Harvard is slowly losing its brand. You think employers don’t look askance at admitting students based on race instead of abilities? This latest debacle adds to it. If I am a quant hedge fund I’ll hire someone from MIT actually good at math instead of a SJW Harvard admit

The hedge funds that could hire from MIT were doing so already. You don't settle for MIT students because you are on a break with your first choice. MIT was always first choice. If those employers weren't hiring from MIT before this " loss" of brand, they certainly wouldn't be able to now.

One less harvard student at a certain firm means one more mit student at that firm. There are limited openings at every firm and at that level most people are of equal talent.

You don't get it.

There is a bigger scarcity for MIT students than there is for such openings. For MIT students, the openings are abundant.

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Anonymous wrote:American Universities have no obligation to a foreign nation and have the right to not get entangled in international conflicts. They have an obligation to their students to uphold the US Constitution and American values, chief of which is freedom of speech.

Donors and employers have no obligation to donate or employ a university's graduates.

That's correct, they don't. And by my calculation donors and employers have more to lose than the Universities and the students. Harvard has a brand that it has successfully managed for hundreds of years. It sustains that brand by publicly upholding certain values and selecting students that have the potential to become extremely accomplished adults and rides on their accomplishments. At the end of the day, what Harvard cannot afford to lose is its brand, not a couple of donors.

Harvard is slowly losing its brand. You think employers don’t look askance at admitting students based on race instead of abilities? This latest debacle adds to it. If I am a quant hedge fund I’ll hire someone from MIT actually good at math instead of a SJW Harvard admit

The hedge funds that could hire from MIT were doing so already. You don't settle for MIT students because you are on a break with your first choice. MIT was always first choice. If those employers weren't hiring from MIT before this " loss" of brand, they certainly wouldn't be able to now.

One less harvard student at a certain firm means one more mit student at that firm. There are limited openings at every firm and at that level most people are of equal talent.

You don't get it.

There is a bigger scarcity for MIT students than there is for such openings. For MIT students, the openings are abundant.

No you don’t get it. I was at one of these “elite” schools and competition was fierce. There were disappointed students at the end of campus recruitment. Not that they were any less able, they just missed out. One less position for one of those radicals is one more opportunity for them.

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Anonymous wrote:American Universities have no obligation to a foreign nation and have the right to not get entangled in international conflicts. They have an obligation to their students to uphold the US Constitution and American values, chief of which is freedom of speech.

Donors and employers have no obligation to donate or employ a university's graduates.

That's correct, they don't. And by my calculation donors and employers have more to lose than the Universities and the students. Harvard has a brand that it has successfully managed for hundreds of years. It sustains that brand by publicly upholding certain values and selecting students that have the potential to become extremely accomplished adults and rides on their accomplishments. At the end of the day, what Harvard cannot afford to lose is its brand, not a couple of donors.

Harvard is slowly losing its brand. You think employers don’t look askance at admitting students based on race instead of abilities? This latest debacle adds to it. If I am a quant hedge fund I’ll hire someone from MIT actually good at math instead of a SJW Harvard admit

The hedge funds that could hire from MIT were doing so already. You don't settle for MIT students because you are on a break with your first choice. MIT was always first choice. If those employers weren't hiring from MIT before this " loss" of brand, they certainly wouldn't be able to now.

One less harvard student at a certain firm means one more mit student at that firm. There are limited openings at every firm and at that level most people are of equal talent.

You don't get it.

There is a bigger scarcity for MIT students than there is for such openings. For MIT students, the openings are abundant.

No you don’t get it. I was at one of these “elite” schools and competition was fierce. There were disappointed students at the end of campus recruitment. Not that they were any less able, they just missed out. One less position for one of those radicals is one more opportunity for them.

MIT is not one of those " elite" schools. It is MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:American Universities have no obligation to a foreign nation and have the right to not get entangled in international conflicts. They have an obligation to their students to uphold the US Constitution and American values, chief of which is freedom of speech.

Donors and employers have no obligation to donate or employ a university's graduates.

That's correct, they don't. And by my calculation donors and employers have more to lose than the Universities and the students. Harvard has a brand that it has successfully managed for hundreds of years. It sustains that brand by publicly upholding certain values and selecting students that have the potential to become extremely accomplished adults and rides on their accomplishments. At the end of the day, what Harvard cannot afford to lose is its brand, not a couple of donors.

Harvard is slowly losing its brand. You think employers don’t look askance at admitting students based on race instead of abilities? This latest debacle adds to it. If I am a quant hedge fund I’ll hire someone from MIT actually good at math instead of a SJW Harvard admit

The hedge funds that could hire from MIT were doing so already. You don't settle for MIT students because you are on a break with your first choice. MIT was always first choice. If those employers weren't hiring from MIT before this " loss" of brand, they certainly wouldn't be able to now.

One less harvard student at a certain firm means one more mit student at that firm. There are limited openings at every firm and at that level most people are of equal talent.

You don't get it.

There is a bigger scarcity for MIT students than there is for such openings. For MIT students, the openings are abundant.

No you don’t get it. I was at one of these “elite” schools and competition was fierce. There were disappointed students at the end of campus recruitment. Not that they were any less able, they just missed out. One less position for one of those radicals is one more opportunity for them.

MIT is not one of those " elite" schools. It is MIT.

You don’t even make sense anymore.

[Anonymous]

Harvard should publish a list of employers that demand allegiance to Israel as a condition of employment. It will help students during recruitment season.

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Anonymous wrote:I see wealthy jewish folks starting to go to/support schools with medical centers like Chicago, Michigan, and Florida who took an unequivocal stand on the terrorism. While elite schools have large endowments, even Penn has a significant ally lower endowment than Harvard on a per student basis. Large donors are unlikely to give after this past week elites aligned with Republicans and Democrats are both not happy. Schools kind of brought this on themselves when they started releasing political statements mostly after the Trump election.

As in it's happening now or you foresee it happening in the future?

I mean in the future. UF and UMich already have a large Jewish student population, but I could see billionaires focusing on schools besides Harvard now, especially as long as Claudine Gay is president. Penn and Cornell are the two ivies with the most Jewish students and they did not take a stand immediately. For people like Wexman and Ackerman to say they’re not donating to Harvard anymore, that means they don’t care if their grandchildren attend. It would be like a major Sidwell donor making a stink- it’s a big deal. Wexman’s kids already graduated and know at least one Ackerman kid is a student.

Who cares? There are millions of extremely bright young people vying to attend Harvard and hundreds of thousands willing to pay the piper. It is Ackerman and Wexman that need an association with Harvard's brand and influence.

Also, i would not worry about extremely bright and passionate Harvard students remaining jobless, they'll take their human capital somewhere else. The loss is on the employers.

Nah, Harvard is selling brand, prestige, access and exclusivity. All of this is sustained through mutually reinforcing multiplier and network effects.

Nah, in a world where the most valuable capital is intellectual capital, Harvard students have the upper hand. They have more options than employers.

But what is demonstrated is that Harvard seems to be losing that intellectual capital. Harvard students actually don’t have the upper hand. They joined Harvard based on the promise of being able to join influential circles. And if they continue down this path opportunities will be given to other students, not Harvard.

Some of the most successful Harvard students are those that dropped out. At the end of the day cream rises to the top. Business is not a moral endeavor, it's based on abilities.

Seriously, what business world are you living in?

Goodness, DCUM can be so out of touch sometimes.

A world that includes Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and many others.

Do you know who Bill Gates is? His father was one of the most connected men in this country and that buoyed his early business career greatly. Bill Gates is as Harvard as they come. Please stop.

The world is full of the progeny of well connected men who have amounted to nothing. Bill Gates is the cream that rose to the crop on his own merits, as have all successful man and women regardless of background. Exceptional talent is rare and trumps everything.

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Anonymous wrote:I see wealthy jewish folks starting to go to/support schools with medical centers like Chicago, Michigan, and Florida who took an unequivocal stand on the terrorism. While elite schools have large endowments, even Penn has a significant ally lower endowment than Harvard on a per student basis. Large donors are unlikely to give after this past week elites aligned with Republicans and Democrats are both not happy. Schools kind of brought this on themselves when they started releasing political statements mostly after the Trump election.

As in it's happening now or you foresee it happening in the future?

I mean in the future. UF and UMich already have a large Jewish student population, but I could see billionaires focusing on schools besides Harvard now, especially as long as Claudine Gay is president. Penn and Cornell are the two ivies with the most Jewish students and they did not take a stand immediately. For people like Wexman and Ackerman to say they’re not donating to Harvard anymore, that means they don’t care if their grandchildren attend. It would be like a major Sidwell donor making a stink- it’s a big deal. Wexman’s kids already graduated and know at least one Ackerman kid is a student.

Who cares? There are millions of extremely bright young people vying to attend Harvard and hundreds of thousands willing to pay the piper. It is Ackerman and Wexman that need an association with Harvard's brand and influence.

Also, i would not worry about extremely bright and passionate Harvard students remaining jobless, they'll take their human capital somewhere else. The loss is on the employers.

Nah, Harvard is selling brand, prestige, access and exclusivity. All of this is sustained through mutually reinforcing multiplier and network effects.

Nah, in a world where the most valuable capital is intellectual capital, Harvard students have the upper hand. They have more options than employers.

But what is demonstrated is that Harvard seems to be losing that intellectual capital. Harvard students actually don’t have the upper hand. They joined Harvard based on the promise of being able to join influential circles. And if they continue down this path opportunities will be given to other students, not Harvard.

Some of the most successful Harvard students are those that dropped out. At the end of the day cream rises to the top. Business is not a moral endeavor, it's based on abilities.

Seriously, what business world are you living in?

Goodness, DCUM can be so out of touch sometimes.

A world that includes Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and many others.

Do you know who Bill Gates is? His father was one of the most connected men in this country and that buoyed his early business career greatly. Bill Gates is as Harvard as they come. Please stop.

The world is full of the progeny of well connected men who have amounted to nothing. Bill Gates is the cream that rose to the crop on his own merits, as have all successful man and women regardless of background. Exceptional talent is rare and trumps everything.

That is exactly how the Harvard game works. Just say you're not involved in business and keep it pushing.

You really think all of these crap startups that got funded over the last 5-10 years are because they had the best ideas and were the best business people? Stop it.

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Why is everyone assuming those students WANT to work for a hedge fund?

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Why is everyone assuming those students WANT to work for a hedge fund?

They shouldn’t. They should stay fast to their ideals and go work for non profits and organizations that actually help the Palestinian people and global humanitarian causes.

But see the hand wringing and back pedaling of some of these orgs once CEOs announced they won’t be hiring them.

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Why is everyone assuming those students WANT to work for a hedge fund?

And a quant fund at that, .

The typical Harvard students would be more suited to the insider trading type hedge funds anyway, not the quant funds. Those are more suited to the MIT and Cal Tech's of the world.

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Why is everyone assuming those students WANT to work for a hedge fund?

They shouldn’t. They should stay fast to their ideals and go work for non profits and organizations that actually help the Palestinian people and global humanitarian causes.

But see the hand wringing and back pedaling of some of these orgs once CEOs announced they won’t be hiring them.

Few of them actually will though. Gotta pay for that Hamptons house, country club, and kids private school somehow!

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard should publish a list of employers that demand allegiance to Israel as a condition of employment. It will help students during recruitment season.

I guess all Universities, employers etc need to publish if they want complete allegiance to Israel. I am not talking “Hamas is bad and should be destroyed but let’s not commit mass genocide” variety of allegiance, I think the requirement is that you should support Israel no matter what, even if they kill 2 million civilians to achieve their revenge. The oppression of American citizens is astounding, we are not free but slaves to wealthy oligarchs telling us what to do or say.

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Why is everyone assuming those students WANT to work for a hedge fund?

They shouldn’t. They should stay fast to their ideals and go work for non profits and organizations that actually help the Palestinian people and global humanitarian causes.

But see the hand wringing and back pedaling of some of these orgs once CEOs announced they won’t be hiring them.

Sure, and using financial power to silence the voices of American citizens is now the goal of Israel? For a community that is truly smart and accomplished, why do they believe in this sort of oppression? If not for this sort of oppressive tactics a lot more people would support Israel’s cause and response.