Wealthy donors pull funding from from Harvard and U Penn for failure to denounce “antisemitism”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:American Universities have no obligation to a foreign nation and have the right to not get entangled in international conflicts. They have an obligation to their students to uphold the US Constitution and American values, chief of which is freedom of speech.

+1 million. I am finding this entire thing very oppressive, the moment you open your mouth to even present a reasonable argument, you are labeled anti semitic. It’s very frustrating and at complete odds with American values, Jewish community is drunk on their power and apparently we are all their slaves and should say exactly what they want us to say.

Well, I'm not Jewish and if you say "the Jews got what they deserved", I'm not hiring you.

Similarly, if you're saying "George Floyd got what he deserved", I'm not hiring you.

I'm fine with nuanced arguments ("Hamas attacks were despicable; Israeli response also despicable") but I'm not hiring a complete a**hole and hope that no one else does either.

Better learn to either be a human being or keep your mouth shut. I have no problem with that at all.

Majority of us believe in the nuance of this situation but we are not allowed to open our mouths to even discuss the nuance. Of course, Hamas attacks were despicable and I support Israel’s right to defend itself from Hamas but the truth is far more nuanced and complicated but you already know that. Also, thanks for proving my point.

Please. Speaking of nuance. These students and academics are not being cancelled because they support Palestinian rights. They are being cancelled for openly celebrating the massacre of innocent Jewish civilians or saying they deserved it. If they were nuanced this would not be happening.

[Anonymous]

Universities created their left wing monsters. Now they can reap what they’ve sown. A bunch of terrorist supporting whack jobs are their student body now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s been fun watching all these DEI programmed kids turn on the mothership. It was only a matter of time. Harvard is the Bud Light of the Ivy League.

+100

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Anonymous wrote:I see wealthy jewish folks starting to go to/support schools with medical centers like Chicago, Michigan, and Florida who took an unequivocal stand on the terrorism. While elite schools have large endowments, even Penn has a significant ally lower endowment than Harvard on a per student basis. Large donors are unlikely to give after this past week elites aligned with Republicans and Democrats are both not happy. Schools kind of brought this on themselves when they started releasing political statements mostly after the Trump election.

As in it's happening now or you foresee it happening in the future?

I mean in the future. UF and UMich already have a large Jewish student population, but I could see billionaires focusing on schools besides Harvard now, especially as long as Claudine Gay is president. Penn and Cornell are the two ivies with the most Jewish students and they did not take a stand immediately. For people like Wexman and Ackerman to say they’re not donating to Harvard anymore, that means they don’t care if their grandchildren attend. It would be like a major Sidwell donor making a stink- it’s a big deal. Wexman’s kids already graduated and know at least one Ackerman kid is a student.

Who cares? There are millions of extremely bright young people vying to attend Harvard and hundreds of thousands willing to pay the piper. It is Ackerman and Wexman that need an association with Harvard's brand and influence.

Also, i would not worry about extremely bright and passionate Harvard students remaining jobless, they'll take their human capital somewhere else. The loss is on the employers.

Nah, Harvard is selling brand, prestige, access and exclusivity. All of this is sustained through mutually reinforcing multiplier and network effects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Universities created their left wing monsters. Now they can reap what they’ve sown. A bunch of terrorist supporting whack jobs are their student body now.

Remind me who stormed the US Capitol on Jan 6th?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Universities created their left wing monsters. Now they can reap what they’ve sown. A bunch of terrorist supporting whack jobs are their student body now.

Remind me who stormed the US Capitol on Jan 6th?

Dear God, must this be brought up in every conversation? Holy hell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Universities created their left wing monsters. Now they can reap what they’ve sown. A bunch of terrorist supporting whack jobs are their student body now.

Remind me who stormed the US Capitol on Jan 6th?

Dear God, must this be brought up in every conversation? Holy hell.

Yes. Choke on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Universities created their left wing monsters. Now they can reap what they’ve sown. A bunch of terrorist supporting whack jobs are their student body now.

Remind me who stormed the US Capitol on Jan 6th?

Dear God, must this be brought up in every conversation? Holy hell.

Yes. Choke on it.

Broaden your horizons. You're basic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:American Universities have no obligation to a foreign nation and have the right to not get entangled in international conflicts. They have an obligation to their students to uphold the US Constitution and American values, chief of which is freedom of speech.

Donors and employers have no obligation to donate or employ a university's graduates.

That's correct, they don't. And by my calculation donors and employers have more to lose than the Universities and the students. Harvard has a brand that it has successfully managed for hundreds of years. It sustains that brand by publicly upholding certain values and selecting students that have the potential to become extremely accomplished adults and rides on their accomplishments. At the end of the day, what Harvard cannot afford to lose is its brand, not a couple of donors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Universities created their left wing monsters. Now they can reap what they’ve sown. A bunch of terrorist supporting whack jobs are their student body now.

Remind me who stormed the US Capitol on Jan 6th?

Dear God, must this be brought up in every conversation? Holy hell.

Yes. Choke on it.

Broaden your horizons. You're basic.

It doesn't get more basic than whining about "leftists" and "wokeness". It wasn't "woke" college kids who stormed the Capitol, so live with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Universities created their left wing monsters. Now they can reap what they’ve sown. A bunch of terrorist supporting whack jobs are their student body now.

Remind me who stormed the US Capitol on Jan 6th?

Dear God, must this be brought up in every conversation? Holy hell.

Yes. Choke on it.

Broaden your horizons. You're basic.

It doesn't get more basic than whining about "leftists" and "wokeness". It wasn't "woke" college kids who stormed the Capitol, so live with it.

Bassssic!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American Universities have no obligation to a foreign nation and have the right to not get entangled in international conflicts. They have an obligation to their students to uphold the US Constitution and American values, chief of which is freedom of speech.

+1 million. I am finding this entire thing very oppressive, the moment you open your mouth to even present a reasonable argument, you are labeled anti semitic. It’s very frustrating and at complete odds with American values, Jewish community is drunk on their power and apparently we are all their slaves and should say exactly what they want us to say.

Well, I'm not Jewish and if you say "the Jews got what they deserved", I'm not hiring you.

Similarly, if you're saying "George Floyd got what he deserved", I'm not hiring you.

I'm fine with nuanced arguments ("Hamas attacks were despicable; Israeli response also despicable") but I'm not hiring a complete a**hole and hope that no one else does either.

Better learn to either be a human being or keep your mouth shut. I have no problem with that at all.

Majority of us believe in the nuance of this situation but we are not allowed to open our mouths to even discuss the nuance. Of course, Hamas attacks were despicable and I support Israel’s right to defend itself from Hamas but the truth is far more nuanced and complicated but you already know that. Also, thanks for proving my point.

DP.

The students and professors in potential trouble did not express any nuance. It was all blame on Israel at a moment when innocent Israelis were just massacred.

Where were such " nuanced" discussions right after 9/11 happened.

You have to be capable of showing empathy and humanity no matter what opinion you have.

You don't talk about " exhilaration" and " power shifting" after over a thousand innocent civillias are killed. It's sick. And it's ironical too because these people are claiming to abhor Israel's violent treatment of Palestinians while rejoicing at violent treatment of Israelis. Don't they see how they are helping to create the cycle of violence and revenge?

You can speak of a renewed spirit/ obligation to come up with a solution with out gloating right after innocent civilians are massacred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see wealthy jewish folks starting to go to/support schools with medical centers like Chicago, Michigan, and Florida who took an unequivocal stand on the terrorism. While elite schools have large endowments, even Penn has a significant ally lower endowment than Harvard on a per student basis. Large donors are unlikely to give after this past week elites aligned with Republicans and Democrats are both not happy. Schools kind of brought this on themselves when they started releasing political statements mostly after the Trump election.

As in it's happening now or you foresee it happening in the future?

I mean in the future. UF and UMich already have a large Jewish student population, but I could see billionaires focusing on schools besides Harvard now, especially as long as Claudine Gay is president. Penn and Cornell are the two ivies with the most Jewish students and they did not take a stand immediately. For people like Wexman and Ackerman to say they’re not donating to Harvard anymore, that means they don’t care if their grandchildren attend. It would be like a major Sidwell donor making a stink- it’s a big deal. Wexman’s kids already graduated and know at least one Ackerman kid is a student.

Who cares? There are millions of extremely bright young people vying to attend Harvard and hundreds of thousands willing to pay the piper. It is Ackerman and Wexman that need an association with Harvard's brand and influence.

Also, i would not worry about extremely bright and passionate Harvard students remaining jobless, they'll take their human capital somewhere else. The loss is on the employers.

Nah, Harvard is selling brand, prestige, access and exclusivity. All of this is sustained through mutually reinforcing multiplier and network effects.

Nah, in a world where the most valuable capital is intellectual capital, Harvard students have the upper hand. They have more options than employers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:American Universities have no obligation to a foreign nation and have the right to not get entangled in international conflicts. They have an obligation to their students to uphold the US Constitution and American values, chief of which is freedom of speech.

Donors and employers have no obligation to donate or employ a university's graduates.

That's correct, they don't. And by my calculation donors and employers have more to lose than the Universities and the students. Harvard has a brand that it has successfully managed for hundreds of years. It sustains that brand by publicly upholding certain values and selecting students that have the potential to become extremely accomplished adults and rides on their accomplishments. At the end of the day, what Harvard cannot afford to lose is its brand, not a couple of donors.

Harvard is slowly losing its brand. You think employers don’t look askance at admitting students based on race instead of abilities? This latest debacle adds to it. If I am a quant hedge fund I’ll hire someone from MIT actually good at math instead of a SJW Harvard admit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see wealthy jewish folks starting to go to/support schools with medical centers like Chicago, Michigan, and Florida who took an unequivocal stand on the terrorism. While elite schools have large endowments, even Penn has a significant ally lower endowment than Harvard on a per student basis. Large donors are unlikely to give after this past week elites aligned with Republicans and Democrats are both not happy. Schools kind of brought this on themselves when they started releasing political statements mostly after the Trump election.

As in it's happening now or you foresee it happening in the future?

I mean in the future. UF and UMich already have a large Jewish student population, but I could see billionaires focusing on schools besides Harvard now, especially as long as Claudine Gay is president. Penn and Cornell are the two ivies with the most Jewish students and they did not take a stand immediately. For people like Wexman and Ackerman to say they’re not donating to Harvard anymore, that means they don’t care if their grandchildren attend. It would be like a major Sidwell donor making a stink- it’s a big deal. Wexman’s kids already graduated and know at least one Ackerman kid is a student.

Who cares? There are millions of extremely bright young people vying to attend Harvard and hundreds of thousands willing to pay the piper. It is Ackerman and Wexman that need an association with Harvard's brand and influence.

Also, i would not worry about extremely bright and passionate Harvard students remaining jobless, they'll take their human capital somewhere else. The loss is on the employers.

Nah, Harvard is selling brand, prestige, access and exclusivity. All of this is sustained through mutually reinforcing multiplier and network effects.

Nah, in a world where the most valuable capital is intellectual capital, Harvard students have the upper hand. They have more options than employers.

You are living in a fantasy world, my dear. If the brand value of Harvard is diminished, so is the value proposition. That means for intelligent students, professors, donors etc.

What do you think students go there for, the lectures? Gimme a break.