Discussing the recent Israeli-Palestinian Conflict In Schools

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

We have two half Palestinian families down the street with kids at Lafayette. Maybe there are more than you realize.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

NP. I can, but I don’t feel the need to immediately change the conversation to Palestinian kids whenever supporting Jewish kids is mentioned.

Well that shows your heart not mine. If you think that only Jewish kids are suffering and this should somehow only be discussed in the context of the events of this weekend you are heartless.

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t ever talk about Palestinian kids. I am saying that immediately derailing all conversations about the suffering of Jewish kids shows your heart.

But you kind of are saying that. There are a million kids living in terrible conditions in Gaza even before the siege. We can't just ignore that.

OK, but then you also can't ignore that there was a two state solution proposed in 47/48 that the international community and Israel accepted, and then Israel was attacked on the day it was founded, and everything else that is happening today stems from that and self protection. You know we have a border crisis in the US. If the people coming in from the Mexican border were many terrorists trying to kill us, no one would be cool with just allowing that to happen here, either.

Oh my. So everything Israel has done with 1948 has been to protect itself?

Yes. You may think it is excessive, but yes. You don't really know what is excessive if you've never been there or never lived in a country bordered by people whose government charter is to kill you.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/honest-voice-israel

And this is why you can't have an honest conversation.

Read the article I linked and let's have an honest conversation. I think you're being dishonest by minimizing the violence towards Israelis.

I think you are being very dishonest about saying that everything Israel has done has been done in defense and is therefore justified.

Have you been there?

No, but I'm capable of being informed without having to go to Israel.

Then you can't really know what it's like. You don't have the lived experience. And it's ok to say that. You can't be an armchair expert.

Oh please. You don't either. You're comfy sitting in your chair somewhere in DC lecturing me on the suffering of Jews a world away.

I did survive the siege of Sarajevo so I bet you I know a little more about conflict than you ever will. And no, I'm not Muslim (or Jewish for that matter). As a result of that experience, I'm very much an atheist. Not that religion has anything to do with the bloodshed in the middle east.

I've at least been to the area we are discussing, and I learned a lot from my visit there, even being married to an Israeli. There is no substitute for experience. Without it, you only know what you read about third hand.

Did you go to Gaza while you were there too? Because if not, you only saw part of the picture.

I was in the West Bank but not Gaza but as far as I know - you've been to none of the 3 places.

So visiting for a few days makes you an expert and I should just defer to your opinion? got it. my bad

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

You don't see to, actually. And you aren't in a position to define what is or is not anti-Semitic. But absolutely, I have and do support Palestinian children with my time, charitable contributions, and friendships. They are very capable of denouncing corrupt Palestinian leaderships, just as I have been protesting against Bibi for years. The people most knee-jerk condemning of Israel and spreading misinformation tend to be fellow travelers on the political left, usually white dudes, but not always. The people of and from the region, particularly those who are educated and read, tend to be the most capable of having a real discussion of the thorny issues surrounding the rights of Jews and Palestinians to be free peoples in free countries in the ME.

I literally don't disagree with anything you said. So the real discussion would acknowledge the suffering of innocent people on both sides and condemn their respective governments, right?

Your centering of yourself is problematic, though, right? Jewish children have a right to fear for their lives when other Jewish children are raped, beheaded, and burned in another farhud - and they might have generational trauma from their grandparents having survived other farhuds in the region, or elsewhere. And it's OK to take a beat and acknowledge that from immediately saying, and the Jews are responsible for this because of X, which is what it feels like you are doing - and frankly was done which Jews were slaughtered throughout history - the Shiraz Pogrom in 1910 -fault of the Jews; the 1920 Nebi Musa farhud in Jerusalem - fault of the Jews. The Baghdad Farhud in 1941, fault of the Jews. The Shoah - fault of the Jews - the large number of Jews murdered during the Dirty War - fault of the Jews; the attack on the Great Synagogue of Rome - fault of the Jews; the AMIA bombing - fault of the Jews. Any time any one dies in Israel at the hands of a terrorist - fault of the Jews. Here, were we have raped and beheaded and burned children and 250 disappeared Jews mostly young people in a manner reminiscent of the Night of Pencils - you immediately say - there is no space to consider Jewish student mental health for ten minutes without immediately launching into, implicitly, justifying what has happened which is a PARADIGM SHIFT.

And here you are still not acknowledging that anyone other than Jews has suffered.

Actually, I posted above that I do acknowledge. 10 MINUTES FOR ACKNOWLEDGING A PARADIGM SHIFT IN RAPED, BEHEADED, MURDERED KIDS - and you are incapable. Wow! Sick stuff.

You are super dishonest. Sick stuff indeed.

Res ipsa loquitur: antiSemites have crawled out from under their rocks. And this is what we cannot have this discussion in DCPS because of people like PP.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

You don't see to, actually. And you aren't in a position to define what is or is not anti-Semitic. But absolutely, I have and do support Palestinian children with my time, charitable contributions, and friendships. They are very capable of denouncing corrupt Palestinian leaderships, just as I have been protesting against Bibi for years. The people most knee-jerk condemning of Israel and spreading misinformation tend to be fellow travelers on the political left, usually white dudes, but not always. The people of and from the region, particularly those who are educated and read, tend to be the most capable of having a real discussion of the thorny issues surrounding the rights of Jews and Palestinians to be free peoples in free countries in the ME.

I literally don't disagree with anything you said. So the real discussion would acknowledge the suffering of innocent people on both sides and condemn their respective governments, right?

Your centering of yourself is problematic, though, right? Jewish children have a right to fear for their lives when other Jewish children are raped, beheaded, and burned in another farhud - and they might have generational trauma from their grandparents having survived other farhuds in the region, or elsewhere. And it's OK to take a beat and acknowledge that from immediately saying, and the Jews are responsible for this because of X, which is what it feels like you are doing - and frankly was done which Jews were slaughtered throughout history - the Shiraz Pogrom in 1910 -fault of the Jews; the 1920 Nebi Musa farhud in Jerusalem - fault of the Jews. The Baghdad Farhud in 1941, fault of the Jews. The Shoah - fault of the Jews - the large number of Jews murdered during the Dirty War - fault of the Jews; the attack on the Great Synagogue of Rome - fault of the Jews; the AMIA bombing - fault of the Jews. Any time any one dies in Israel at the hands of a terrorist - fault of the Jews. Here, were we have raped and beheaded and burned children and 250 disappeared Jews mostly young people in a manner reminiscent of the Night of Pencils - you immediately say - there is no space to consider Jewish student mental health for ten minutes without immediately launching into, implicitly, justifying what has happened which is a PARADIGM SHIFT.

And here you are still not acknowledging that anyone other than Jews has suffered.

Actually, I posted above that I do acknowledge. 10 MINUTES FOR ACKNOWLEDGING A PARADIGM SHIFT IN RAPED, BEHEADED, MURDERED KIDS - and you are incapable. Wow! Sick stuff.

You are super dishonest. Sick stuff indeed.

Res ipsa loquitur: antiSemites have crawled out from under their rocks. And this is what we cannot have this discussion in DCPS because of people like PP.

So acknowledging that Palestinian children are ALSO suffering along side Jewish children makes me an antisemite? OK, cool.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

NP. I can, but I don’t feel the need to immediately change the conversation to Palestinian kids whenever supporting Jewish kids is mentioned.

Well that shows your heart not mine. If you think that only Jewish kids are suffering and this should somehow only be discussed in the context of the events of this weekend you are heartless.

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t ever talk about Palestinian kids. I am saying that immediately derailing all conversations about the suffering of Jewish kids shows your heart.

But you kind of are saying that. There are a million kids living in terrible conditions in Gaza even before the siege. We can't just ignore that.

I actually agree with you. I don’t know why it is so hard to say to kids “Hamas, an antisemitic group that supports Palestinian independence, brutally attacked innocent civilians in Israel. Israel has retaliated in a way that will cause many innocent civilians in Gaza to suffer. It is all 100% awful.”

There might also be a decent lesson to teach about the US’s reaction to 9/11, and how many innocents died in the search for fake WMDs…

The only problem I have with the discussion is when the original attack is justified or minimized.

I think the bolded is all that needs to be said by any teacher, school admin, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

You don't see to, actually. And you aren't in a position to define what is or is not anti-Semitic. But absolutely, I have and do support Palestinian children with my time, charitable contributions, and friendships. They are very capable of denouncing corrupt Palestinian leaderships, just as I have been protesting against Bibi for years. The people most knee-jerk condemning of Israel and spreading misinformation tend to be fellow travelers on the political left, usually white dudes, but not always. The people of and from the region, particularly those who are educated and read, tend to be the most capable of having a real discussion of the thorny issues surrounding the rights of Jews and Palestinians to be free peoples in free countries in the ME.

I literally don't disagree with anything you said. So the real discussion would acknowledge the suffering of innocent people on both sides and condemn their respective governments, right?

Your centering of yourself is problematic, though, right? Jewish children have a right to fear for their lives when other Jewish children are raped, beheaded, and burned in another farhud - and they might have generational trauma from their grandparents having survived other farhuds in the region, or elsewhere. And it's OK to take a beat and acknowledge that from immediately saying, and the Jews are responsible for this because of X, which is what it feels like you are doing - and frankly was done which Jews were slaughtered throughout history - the Shiraz Pogrom in 1910 -fault of the Jews; the 1920 Nebi Musa farhud in Jerusalem - fault of the Jews. The Baghdad Farhud in 1941, fault of the Jews. The Shoah - fault of the Jews - the large number of Jews murdered during the Dirty War - fault of the Jews; the attack on the Great Synagogue of Rome - fault of the Jews; the AMIA bombing - fault of the Jews. Any time any one dies in Israel at the hands of a terrorist - fault of the Jews. Here, were we have raped and beheaded and burned children and 250 disappeared Jews mostly young people in a manner reminiscent of the Night of Pencils - you immediately say - there is no space to consider Jewish student mental health for ten minutes without immediately launching into, implicitly, justifying what has happened which is a PARADIGM SHIFT.

And here you are still not acknowledging that anyone other than Jews has suffered.

Actually, I posted above that I do acknowledge. 10 MINUTES FOR ACKNOWLEDGING A PARADIGM SHIFT IN RAPED, BEHEADED, MURDERED KIDS - and you are incapable. Wow! Sick stuff.

You are super dishonest. Sick stuff indeed.

Res ipsa loquitur: antiSemites have crawled out from under their rocks. And this is what we cannot have this discussion in DCPS because of people like PP.

So acknowledging that Palestinian children are ALSO suffering along side Jewish children makes me an antisemite? OK, cool.

No, your whole tone and tenor, your inability to acknowledge a major paradigm shift in the conflict - and perhaps inherited bias from parents/grandparents (who knows) - that is between you and whichever god you pray to or therapist, I guess. But watch out - there are so many of those pesky Jews in therapy.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

You don't see to, actually. And you aren't in a position to define what is or is not anti-Semitic. But absolutely, I have and do support Palestinian children with my time, charitable contributions, and friendships. They are very capable of denouncing corrupt Palestinian leaderships, just as I have been protesting against Bibi for years. The people most knee-jerk condemning of Israel and spreading misinformation tend to be fellow travelers on the political left, usually white dudes, but not always. The people of and from the region, particularly those who are educated and read, tend to be the most capable of having a real discussion of the thorny issues surrounding the rights of Jews and Palestinians to be free peoples in free countries in the ME.

I literally don't disagree with anything you said. So the real discussion would acknowledge the suffering of innocent people on both sides and condemn their respective governments, right?

Your centering of yourself is problematic, though, right? Jewish children have a right to fear for their lives when other Jewish children are raped, beheaded, and burned in another farhud - and they might have generational trauma from their grandparents having survived other farhuds in the region, or elsewhere. And it's OK to take a beat and acknowledge that from immediately saying, and the Jews are responsible for this because of X, which is what it feels like you are doing - and frankly was done which Jews were slaughtered throughout history - the Shiraz Pogrom in 1910 -fault of the Jews; the 1920 Nebi Musa farhud in Jerusalem - fault of the Jews. The Baghdad Farhud in 1941, fault of the Jews. The Shoah - fault of the Jews - the large number of Jews murdered during the Dirty War - fault of the Jews; the attack on the Great Synagogue of Rome - fault of the Jews; the AMIA bombing - fault of the Jews. Any time any one dies in Israel at the hands of a terrorist - fault of the Jews. Here, were we have raped and beheaded and burned children and 250 disappeared Jews mostly young people in a manner reminiscent of the Night of Pencils - you immediately say - there is no space to consider Jewish student mental health for ten minutes without immediately launching into, implicitly, justifying what has happened which is a PARADIGM SHIFT.

And here you are still not acknowledging that anyone other than Jews has suffered.

Actually, I posted above that I do acknowledge. 10 MINUTES FOR ACKNOWLEDGING A PARADIGM SHIFT IN RAPED, BEHEADED, MURDERED KIDS - and you are incapable. Wow! Sick stuff.

You are super dishonest. Sick stuff indeed.

Res ipsa loquitur: antiSemites have crawled out from under their rocks. And this is what we cannot have this discussion in DCPS because of people like PP.

So acknowledging that Palestinian children are ALSO suffering along side Jewish children makes me an antisemite? OK, cool.

No, your whole tone and tenor, your inability to acknowledge a major paradigm shift in the conflict - and perhaps inherited bias from parents/grandparents (who knows) - that is between you and whichever god you pray to or therapist, I guess. But watch out - there are so many of those pesky Jews in therapy.

This is why I called you dishonest. Read my actual words. Not some made-up narrative you concocted in your head so you can appear like a victim. I have nothing against Jews, never have, and never will. Palestianians either though. And you having a problem with that is on you.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

You don't see to, actually. And you aren't in a position to define what is or is not anti-Semitic. But absolutely, I have and do support Palestinian children with my time, charitable contributions, and friendships. They are very capable of denouncing corrupt Palestinian leaderships, just as I have been protesting against Bibi for years. The people most knee-jerk condemning of Israel and spreading misinformation tend to be fellow travelers on the political left, usually white dudes, but not always. The people of and from the region, particularly those who are educated and read, tend to be the most capable of having a real discussion of the thorny issues surrounding the rights of Jews and Palestinians to be free peoples in free countries in the ME.

I literally don't disagree with anything you said. So the real discussion would acknowledge the suffering of innocent people on both sides and condemn their respective governments, right?

Your centering of yourself is problematic, though, right? Jewish children have a right to fear for their lives when other Jewish children are raped, beheaded, and burned in another farhud - and they might have generational trauma from their grandparents having survived other farhuds in the region, or elsewhere. And it's OK to take a beat and acknowledge that from immediately saying, and the Jews are responsible for this because of X, which is what it feels like you are doing - and frankly was done which Jews were slaughtered throughout history - the Shiraz Pogrom in 1910 -fault of the Jews; the 1920 Nebi Musa farhud in Jerusalem - fault of the Jews. The Baghdad Farhud in 1941, fault of the Jews. The Shoah - fault of the Jews - the large number of Jews murdered during the Dirty War - fault of the Jews; the attack on the Great Synagogue of Rome - fault of the Jews; the AMIA bombing - fault of the Jews. Any time any one dies in Israel at the hands of a terrorist - fault of the Jews. Here, were we have raped and beheaded and burned children and 250 disappeared Jews mostly young people in a manner reminiscent of the Night of Pencils - you immediately say - there is no space to consider Jewish student mental health for ten minutes without immediately launching into, implicitly, justifying what has happened which is a PARADIGM SHIFT.

And here you are still not acknowledging that anyone other than Jews has suffered.

Actually, I posted above that I do acknowledge. 10 MINUTES FOR ACKNOWLEDGING A PARADIGM SHIFT IN RAPED, BEHEADED, MURDERED KIDS - and you are incapable. Wow! Sick stuff.

You are super dishonest. Sick stuff indeed.

Res ipsa loquitur: antiSemites have crawled out from under their rocks. And this is what we cannot have this discussion in DCPS because of people like PP.

So acknowledging that Palestinian children are ALSO suffering along side Jewish children makes me an antisemite? OK, cool.

+1

I feel absolutely sick about the Hamas attacks. I’m especially heartbroken about the Israeli children being held hostage or killed. But I also feel sad for all the Palestinian children.

It’s a dangerous equivalence to make criticism of the Israeli government = antisemitism. There are innocent people caught up in hundreds of years of history, but both countries have done horrible things to each other.

Watching from the US feels so helpless because I don’t know what will finally change things for the better. And I can’t wrap my head around people caring so much about a piece of land that they would kill innocent people, especially in the name of religion.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

You don't see to, actually. And you aren't in a position to define what is or is not anti-Semitic. But absolutely, I have and do support Palestinian children with my time, charitable contributions, and friendships. They are very capable of denouncing corrupt Palestinian leaderships, just as I have been protesting against Bibi for years. The people most knee-jerk condemning of Israel and spreading misinformation tend to be fellow travelers on the political left, usually white dudes, but not always. The people of and from the region, particularly those who are educated and read, tend to be the most capable of having a real discussion of the thorny issues surrounding the rights of Jews and Palestinians to be free peoples in free countries in the ME.

I literally don't disagree with anything you said. So the real discussion would acknowledge the suffering of innocent people on both sides and condemn their respective governments, right?

Your centering of yourself is problematic, though, right? Jewish children have a right to fear for their lives when other Jewish children are raped, beheaded, and burned in another farhud - and they might have generational trauma from their grandparents having survived other farhuds in the region, or elsewhere. And it's OK to take a beat and acknowledge that from immediately saying, and the Jews are responsible for this because of X, which is what it feels like you are doing - and frankly was done which Jews were slaughtered throughout history - the Shiraz Pogrom in 1910 -fault of the Jews; the 1920 Nebi Musa farhud in Jerusalem - fault of the Jews. The Baghdad Farhud in 1941, fault of the Jews. The Shoah - fault of the Jews - the large number of Jews murdered during the Dirty War - fault of the Jews; the attack on the Great Synagogue of Rome - fault of the Jews; the AMIA bombing - fault of the Jews. Any time any one dies in Israel at the hands of a terrorist - fault of the Jews. Here, were we have raped and beheaded and burned children and 250 disappeared Jews mostly young people in a manner reminiscent of the Night of Pencils - you immediately say - there is no space to consider Jewish student mental health for ten minutes without immediately launching into, implicitly, justifying what has happened which is a PARADIGM SHIFT.

And here you are still not acknowledging that anyone other than Jews has suffered.

Actually, I posted above that I do acknowledge. 10 MINUTES FOR ACKNOWLEDGING A PARADIGM SHIFT IN RAPED, BEHEADED, MURDERED KIDS - and you are incapable. Wow! Sick stuff.

You are super dishonest. Sick stuff indeed.

Res ipsa loquitur: antiSemites have crawled out from under their rocks. And this is what we cannot have this discussion in DCPS because of people like PP.

So acknowledging that Palestinian children are ALSO suffering along side Jewish children makes me an antisemite? OK, cool.

No, your whole tone and tenor, your inability to acknowledge a major paradigm shift in the conflict - and perhaps inherited bias from parents/grandparents (who knows) - that is between you and whichever god you pray to or therapist, I guess. But watch out - there are so many of those pesky Jews in therapy.

This is why I called you dishonest. Read my actual words. Not some made-up narrative you concocted in your head so you can appear like a victim. I have nothing against Jews, never have, and never will. Palestianians either though. And you having a problem with that is on you.

Well, I don't really want or need the good opinion of someone who is now engaging in gaslighting and anti-Semitic tropes. But you have certainly proven the point that we can't have enlightened discussions in DCPS. I feel bad for your kids, but maybe they will intermarry and force you to examine some of these deep prejudices of yours.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

You don't see to, actually. And you aren't in a position to define what is or is not anti-Semitic. But absolutely, I have and do support Palestinian children with my time, charitable contributions, and friendships. They are very capable of denouncing corrupt Palestinian leaderships, just as I have been protesting against Bibi for years. The people most knee-jerk condemning of Israel and spreading misinformation tend to be fellow travelers on the political left, usually white dudes, but not always. The people of and from the region, particularly those who are educated and read, tend to be the most capable of having a real discussion of the thorny issues surrounding the rights of Jews and Palestinians to be free peoples in free countries in the ME.

I literally don't disagree with anything you said. So the real discussion would acknowledge the suffering of innocent people on both sides and condemn their respective governments, right?

Your centering of yourself is problematic, though, right? Jewish children have a right to fear for their lives when other Jewish children are raped, beheaded, and burned in another farhud - and they might have generational trauma from their grandparents having survived other farhuds in the region, or elsewhere. And it's OK to take a beat and acknowledge that from immediately saying, and the Jews are responsible for this because of X, which is what it feels like you are doing - and frankly was done which Jews were slaughtered throughout history - the Shiraz Pogrom in 1910 -fault of the Jews; the 1920 Nebi Musa farhud in Jerusalem - fault of the Jews. The Baghdad Farhud in 1941, fault of the Jews. The Shoah - fault of the Jews - the large number of Jews murdered during the Dirty War - fault of the Jews; the attack on the Great Synagogue of Rome - fault of the Jews; the AMIA bombing - fault of the Jews. Any time any one dies in Israel at the hands of a terrorist - fault of the Jews. Here, were we have raped and beheaded and burned children and 250 disappeared Jews mostly young people in a manner reminiscent of the Night of Pencils - you immediately say - there is no space to consider Jewish student mental health for ten minutes without immediately launching into, implicitly, justifying what has happened which is a PARADIGM SHIFT.

And here you are still not acknowledging that anyone other than Jews has suffered.

Actually, I posted above that I do acknowledge. 10 MINUTES FOR ACKNOWLEDGING A PARADIGM SHIFT IN RAPED, BEHEADED, MURDERED KIDS - and you are incapable. Wow! Sick stuff.

You are super dishonest. Sick stuff indeed.

Res ipsa loquitur: antiSemites have crawled out from under their rocks. And this is what we cannot have this discussion in DCPS because of people like PP.

So acknowledging that Palestinian children are ALSO suffering along side Jewish children makes me an antisemite? OK, cool.

No, your whole tone and tenor, your inability to acknowledge a major paradigm shift in the conflict - and perhaps inherited bias from parents/grandparents (who knows) - that is between you and whichever god you pray to or therapist, I guess. But watch out - there are so many of those pesky Jews in therapy.

This is why I called you dishonest. Read my actual words. Not some made-up narrative you concocted in your head so you can appear like a victim. I have nothing against Jews, never have, and never will. Palestianians either though. And you having a problem with that is on you.

Well, I don't really want or need the good opinion of someone who is now engaging in gaslighting and anti-Semitic tropes. But you have certainly proven the point that we can't have enlightened discussions in DCPS. I feel bad for your kids, but maybe they will intermarry and force you to examine some of these deep prejudices of yours.

My kid is just fine. He is not being raised to dehumanize other kids because they are of a different religion.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

You don't see to, actually. And you aren't in a position to define what is or is not anti-Semitic. But absolutely, I have and do support Palestinian children with my time, charitable contributions, and friendships. They are very capable of denouncing corrupt Palestinian leaderships, just as I have been protesting against Bibi for years. The people most knee-jerk condemning of Israel and spreading misinformation tend to be fellow travelers on the political left, usually white dudes, but not always. The people of and from the region, particularly those who are educated and read, tend to be the most capable of having a real discussion of the thorny issues surrounding the rights of Jews and Palestinians to be free peoples in free countries in the ME.

I literally don't disagree with anything you said. So the real discussion would acknowledge the suffering of innocent people on both sides and condemn their respective governments, right?

Your centering of yourself is problematic, though, right? Jewish children have a right to fear for their lives when other Jewish children are raped, beheaded, and burned in another farhud - and they might have generational trauma from their grandparents having survived other farhuds in the region, or elsewhere. And it's OK to take a beat and acknowledge that from immediately saying, and the Jews are responsible for this because of X, which is what it feels like you are doing - and frankly was done which Jews were slaughtered throughout history - the Shiraz Pogrom in 1910 -fault of the Jews; the 1920 Nebi Musa farhud in Jerusalem - fault of the Jews. The Baghdad Farhud in 1941, fault of the Jews. The Shoah - fault of the Jews - the large number of Jews murdered during the Dirty War - fault of the Jews; the attack on the Great Synagogue of Rome - fault of the Jews; the AMIA bombing - fault of the Jews. Any time any one dies in Israel at the hands of a terrorist - fault of the Jews. Here, were we have raped and beheaded and burned children and 250 disappeared Jews mostly young people in a manner reminiscent of the Night of Pencils - you immediately say - there is no space to consider Jewish student mental health for ten minutes without immediately launching into, implicitly, justifying what has happened which is a PARADIGM SHIFT.

And here you are still not acknowledging that anyone other than Jews has suffered.

Actually, I posted above that I do acknowledge. 10 MINUTES FOR ACKNOWLEDGING A PARADIGM SHIFT IN RAPED, BEHEADED, MURDERED KIDS - and you are incapable. Wow! Sick stuff.

You are super dishonest. Sick stuff indeed.

Res ipsa loquitur: antiSemites have crawled out from under their rocks. And this is what we cannot have this discussion in DCPS because of people like PP.

So acknowledging that Palestinian children are ALSO suffering along side Jewish children makes me an antisemite? OK, cool.

No, your whole tone and tenor, your inability to acknowledge a major paradigm shift in the conflict - and perhaps inherited bias from parents/grandparents (who knows) - that is between you and whichever god you pray to or therapist, I guess. But watch out - there are so many of those pesky Jews in therapy.

This is why I called you dishonest. Read my actual words. Not some made-up narrative you concocted in your head so you can appear like a victim. I have nothing against Jews, never have, and never will. Palestianians either though. And you having a problem with that is on you.

Well, I don't really want or need the good opinion of someone who is now engaging in gaslighting and anti-Semitic tropes. But you have certainly proven the point that we can't have enlightened discussions in DCPS. I feel bad for your kids, but maybe they will intermarry and force you to examine some of these deep prejudices of yours.

My kid is just fine. He is not being raised to dehumanize other kids because they are of a different religion.

Sounds like he is, though. But again, lots of prejudices to work through, tout de suite.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

NP. I can, but I don’t feel the need to immediately change the conversation to Palestinian kids whenever supporting Jewish kids is mentioned.

DP. The conversation is about the conflict. The conflict started with a barbaric attack (support Jewish kids!) and has moved on to a declaration of war, cutting off water/food/electricity/medical supplies, and a stated intent to blaze through Gaza (support Palestinian kids??). The idea that in your head talking about kids on one side is right and proper and talking about kids on the other is whataboutism is the whole problem. There are a million kids in Gaza. It's not changing the conversation to acknowledge them, it's participating in the conversation.

If your intent in doing so is because you don’t think it’s allowable to talk about anti-semitism or if you think the Hamas attacks were justified - then yes that is a problem.

In NO other context at DCPS do we refuse to allow a marginalized group its own space.

Of course the Hamas attacks were not justified, and there's not a single word in my post that would lead you to the conclusion that I think otherwise.

But I genuinely don't understand what this bolded sentence means. The topic of the thread is "discussing the recent Israeli-Palestinian Conflict in Schools" - is it your position that that entire discussion somehow belongs to Jewish American students and only to them? Even though the conflict is described as -Palestinian, any mention of Palestinian civilians is a usurpation of space where they should not be represented? Because that makes no sense to me unless you just truly think that only people on one side of the equation are worthy of any consideration. That exact framing is what people are pushing back against, and no that resistance is not anti-semitic.

No amount of calling me anti-semitic is going to make me think that some kids are okay to kill without even a mention. Just like no amount of straw-manning is going to suddenly create a world where I'm pro-Hamas or have ever said that the attacks on Jewish civilians were just or acceptable.

My entire point is that the first day back to school after a huge antisemitic terror attack, yes, you need to make space to make it entirely about Jewish kids, at least for a day. The message one PP’s kid got that “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter” is entirely wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

NP. I can, but I don’t feel the need to immediately change the conversation to Palestinian kids whenever supporting Jewish kids is mentioned.

DP. The conversation is about the conflict. The conflict started with a barbaric attack (support Jewish kids!) and has moved on to a declaration of war, cutting off water/food/electricity/medical supplies, and a stated intent to blaze through Gaza (support Palestinian kids??). The idea that in your head talking about kids on one side is right and proper and talking about kids on the other is whataboutism is the whole problem. There are a million kids in Gaza. It's not changing the conversation to acknowledge them, it's participating in the conversation.

If your intent in doing so is because you don’t think it’s allowable to talk about anti-semitism or if you think the Hamas attacks were justified - then yes that is a problem.

In NO other context at DCPS do we refuse to allow a marginalized group its own space.

Of course the Hamas attacks were not justified, and there's not a single word in my post that would lead you to the conclusion that I think otherwise.

But I genuinely don't understand what this bolded sentence means. The topic of the thread is "discussing the recent Israeli-Palestinian Conflict in Schools" - is it your position that that entire discussion somehow belongs to Jewish American students and only to them? Even though the conflict is described as -Palestinian, any mention of Palestinian civilians is a usurpation of space where they should not be represented? Because that makes no sense to me unless you just truly think that only people on one side of the equation are worthy of any consideration. That exact framing is what people are pushing back against, and no that resistance is not anti-semitic.

No amount of calling me anti-semitic is going to make me think that some kids are okay to kill without even a mention. Just like no amount of straw-manning is going to suddenly create a world where I'm pro-Hamas or have ever said that the attacks on Jewish civilians were just or acceptable.

My entire point is that the first day back to school after a huge antisemitic terror attack, yes, you need to make space to make it entirely about Jewish kids, at least for a day. The message one PP’s kid got that “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter” is entirely wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

NP. I can, but I don’t feel the need to immediately change the conversation to Palestinian kids whenever supporting Jewish kids is mentioned.

DP. The conversation is about the conflict. The conflict started with a barbaric attack (support Jewish kids!) and has moved on to a declaration of war, cutting off water/food/electricity/medical supplies, and a stated intent to blaze through Gaza (support Palestinian kids??). The idea that in your head talking about kids on one side is right and proper and talking about kids on the other is whataboutism is the whole problem. There are a million kids in Gaza. It's not changing the conversation to acknowledge them, it's participating in the conversation.

If your intent in doing so is because you don’t think it’s allowable to talk about anti-semitism or if you think the Hamas attacks were justified - then yes that is a problem.

In NO other context at DCPS do we refuse to allow a marginalized group its own space.

Of course the Hamas attacks were not justified, and there's not a single word in my post that would lead you to the conclusion that I think otherwise.

But I genuinely don't understand what this bolded sentence means. The topic of the thread is "discussing the recent Israeli-Palestinian Conflict in Schools" - is it your position that that entire discussion somehow belongs to Jewish American students and only to them? Even though the conflict is described as -Palestinian, any mention of Palestinian civilians is a usurpation of space where they should not be represented? Because that makes no sense to me unless you just truly think that only people on one side of the equation are worthy of any consideration. That exact framing is what people are pushing back against, and no that resistance is not anti-semitic.

No amount of calling me anti-semitic is going to make me think that some kids are okay to kill without even a mention. Just like no amount of straw-manning is going to suddenly create a world where I'm pro-Hamas or have ever said that the attacks on Jewish civilians were just or acceptable.

My entire point is that the first day back to school after a huge antisemitic terror attack, yes, you need to make space to make it entirely about Jewish kids, at least for a day. The message one PP’s kid got that “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter” is entirely wrong.

That teacher was both wrong, stupid, and very unprofessional.

But the idea that it was the first day back to school after a terror attack ignores it was *also* the first day back to school after the crackdown on Gaza and declaration of war. Both things happened over the weekend. Giving the day to Jewish students doesn't make sense unless you're going to give the next day to Palestinian students (somehow I doubt it). It's either a discussion of the conflict, in which case both sides have to be discussed, or it's just a statement of support for Israel.

You can certainly say "I don't want a discussion, I want an official statement of support for Israel and nothing else" and that's clearly a lot of people's position in this thread. But you cannot say "a discussion of the conflict that includes the fact that Palestinian civilians are going to suffer as well" is anti-semitic. It's not true.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

Are jewish kids in America actually feeling “scared”?

Are Palestinian kids here also feeling "scared"?

There are a lot of Jewish kids in DCPS - not many or any Palestinian kids. And the fact that you can apparently not countenance providing ANY institutional support to Jewish kids just proves my point.

So support for innocent Palestinian kids (in the US or Gaza) equals anti-semitism? got it

On Tuesday, refusing to talk about the anti-semitic nature of the attacks or both-siding it is anti-semitic. Yes.

Really, really not. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

You’re not even willing to say the Hamas attacks were antisemitic?

Of course I am!!!! I have been saying all along. And it's ALSO barbering to treat Palestinians the way they have been treated for 70 years. Both can be true at the same time.

both can be true. but the way to address in school what Jewish kids might be feeling immediately after a high-profile and terrifying antisemitic attack is NOT “oh but let’s talk about Israel.” that’s the point here. how to address the upset and fear that Jewish kids might be feeling that day in the classroom. to act like this fear doesn’t exist (as one PP thinks!) or is unworthy to be addressed is absolutely antisemitic.

Oh spare me. If this were a completely isolated incident not provoked by 70 years of turmoil for which Israel bears the brunt of responsibility, I think you might be right. But you can't treat people like animals for 70 years and expect them to just take it.

NO, I do not support the slaughter and rape of innocent people on either side but it's NOT antisemitic to condemn Israel for what they have done. I can condemn Hamas and DO. CAn you do the same?

If you can’t countenance even for a second the need to emotionally support Jewish kids then you’re just proving the point.

I can. I do. Can you do the same for Palestinian kids?

NP. I can, but I don’t feel the need to immediately change the conversation to Palestinian kids whenever supporting Jewish kids is mentioned.

DP. The conversation is about the conflict. The conflict started with a barbaric attack (support Jewish kids!) and has moved on to a declaration of war, cutting off water/food/electricity/medical supplies, and a stated intent to blaze through Gaza (support Palestinian kids??). The idea that in your head talking about kids on one side is right and proper and talking about kids on the other is whataboutism is the whole problem. There are a million kids in Gaza. It's not changing the conversation to acknowledge them, it's participating in the conversation.

If your intent in doing so is because you don’t think it’s allowable to talk about anti-semitism or if you think the Hamas attacks were justified - then yes that is a problem.

In NO other context at DCPS do we refuse to allow a marginalized group its own space.

Of course the Hamas attacks were not justified, and there's not a single word in my post that would lead you to the conclusion that I think otherwise.

But I genuinely don't understand what this bolded sentence means. The topic of the thread is "discussing the recent Israeli-Palestinian Conflict in Schools" - is it your position that that entire discussion somehow belongs to Jewish American students and only to them? Even though the conflict is described as -Palestinian, any mention of Palestinian civilians is a usurpation of space where they should not be represented? Because that makes no sense to me unless you just truly think that only people on one side of the equation are worthy of any consideration. That exact framing is what people are pushing back against, and no that resistance is not anti-semitic.

No amount of calling me anti-semitic is going to make me think that some kids are okay to kill without even a mention. Just like no amount of straw-manning is going to suddenly create a world where I'm pro-Hamas or have ever said that the attacks on Jewish civilians were just or acceptable.

My entire point is that the first day back to school after a huge antisemitic terror attack, yes, you need to make space to make it entirely about Jewish kids, at least for a day. The message one PP’s kid got that “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter” is entirely wrong.

That teacher was both wrong, stupid, and very unprofessional.

But the idea that it was the first day back to school after a terror attack ignores it was *also* the first day back to school after the crackdown on Gaza and declaration of war. Both things happened over the weekend. Giving the day to Jewish students doesn't make sense unless you're going to give the next day to Palestinian students (somehow I doubt it). It's either a discussion of the conflict, in which case both sides have to be discussed, or it's just a statement of support for Israel.

You can certainly say "I don't want a discussion, I want an official statement of support for Israel and nothing else" and that's clearly a lot of people's position in this thread. But you cannot say "a discussion of the conflict that includes the fact that Palestinian civilians are going to suffer as well" is anti-Semitic. It's not true.

And that's the point, I think, we can't have the discussion in DCPS because of people like you - who believe that Jewish children should be made to feel responsible for the charred and sexually assaulted bodies of their cousins. That they are not entitled to feel sad or scared, because it triggers people like you. We don't do this for other people, we don't say to Egyptians - you should feel bad for not lifting the blockade. Or to the French or Italians or Americans who bombed heavily and indiscriminately all over the world all the time. And because of your, charitably, subconscious bias. You can't see it. And you have to both sides and what about and cannot allow any space to be safe for Jews ever. And that's why DCPS is not the right forum - antisemitism is the world's oldest bigotry for a reason, and you are just one cog in the machine.