Discussing the recent Israeli-Palestinian Conflict In Schools

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

So can people talk about how Hamas mounted a brutally antisemitic attack; or were they just “fed up with Israel”?

And that’s very cute of you to believe that our experience of antisemitism in DCPS thus far is about Israel. It’s more than that.

To be clear, I think Hamas are brutal and awful. I think the people "fed up with Israel" are outside observers, like regular US citizens.

Hopefully you can understand why it would be antisemitic to launch into a discussion of the brutal Hamas attacks on Jewish civilians as “well, some people are fed up with Israel.” But this would be par for the course for DCPS. My kid knows that antisemitism is OK in a way that other kinds of discriminatory talk is not ok in DCPS. He is resigned to it, which is bad in and of itself, but also makes it that much harder to convey the values of equity & fairness to him.

Well, this is one of the challenges of this discussion for schools.

Is Hamas's attack on Jewish civilians in Israel an attack in Jewish civilians worldwide?

Is the conflict political, ethnic, and/or religious?

How does/should international policy differ with regards to countries that discriminate citizenship and rights based on religion and/or ethnicity?

How is it a challenge to acknowledge that Hamas is an anti-semitic organization that slaughtered Jewish civilians? Can’t we at least start there for a second instead of minimizing it.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

So can people talk about how Hamas mounted a brutally antisemitic attack; or were they just “fed up with Israel”?

And that’s very cute of you to believe that our experience of antisemitism in DCPS thus far is about Israel. It’s more than that.

To be clear, I think Hamas are brutal and awful. I think the people "fed up with Israel" are outside observers, like regular US citizens.

Hopefully you can understand why it would be antisemitic to launch into a discussion of the brutal Hamas attacks on Jewish civilians as “well, some people are fed up with Israel.” But this would be par for the course for DCPS. My kid knows that antisemitism is OK in a way that other kinds of discriminatory talk is not ok in DCPS. He is resigned to it, which is bad in and of itself, but also makes it that much harder to convey the values of equity & fairness to him.

Well, this is one of the challenges of this discussion for schools.

Is Hamas's attack on Jewish civilians in Israel an attack in Jewish civilians worldwide?

Is the conflict political, ethnic, and/or religious?

How does/should international policy differ with regards to countries that discriminate citizenship and rights based on religion and/or ethnicity?

How is it a challenge to acknowledge that Hamas is an anti-semitic organization that slaughtered Jewish civilians? Can’t we at least start there for a second instead of minimizing it.

Also I love that you’d think a not-so-veiled critique of Israeli citizenship law would be a good discussion point. Do you know how many countries discriminate in citizenship based on ethnicity? Is your idea that the Hamas attacks are nothing but a springboard for a classroom discussion about how bad Israel is?

this is why I sincerely hope the subject does not come up at all.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

So can people talk about how Hamas mounted a brutally antisemitic attack; or were they just “fed up with Israel”?

And that’s very cute of you to believe that our experience of antisemitism in DCPS thus far is about Israel. It’s more than that.

To be clear, I think Hamas are brutal and awful. I think the people "fed up with Israel" are outside observers, like regular US citizens.

Hopefully you can understand why it would be antisemitic to launch into a discussion of the brutal Hamas attacks on Jewish civilians as “well, some people are fed up with Israel.” But this would be par for the course for DCPS. My kid knows that antisemitism is OK in a way that other kinds of discriminatory talk is not ok in DCPS. He is resigned to it, which is bad in and of itself, but also makes it that much harder to convey the values of equity & fairness to him.

Well, this is one of the challenges of this discussion for schools.

Is Hamas's attack on Jewish civilians in Israel an attack in Jewish civilians worldwide?

Is the conflict political, ethnic, and/or religious?

How does/should international policy differ with regards to countries that discriminate citizenship and rights based on religion and/or ethnicity?

How is it a challenge to acknowledge that Hamas is an anti-semitic organization that slaughtered Jewish civilians? Can’t we at least start there for a second instead of minimizing it.

Jews =\= Israel

You can find fault with Israel and not be antisemitic (and find fault with Israel does not mean minimizing Hamas's atrocities).

But, again, having fixed ideas if what we are all supposed to believe--of not being able to look at Israel and its unique combination of political, religious, and ethnic purpose analytically--is why this is a tough conversation for school.

Godspeed, teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

So can people talk about how Hamas mounted a brutally antisemitic attack; or were they just “fed up with Israel”?

And that’s very cute of you to believe that our experience of antisemitism in DCPS thus far is about Israel. It’s more than that.

To be clear, I think Hamas are brutal and awful. I think the people "fed up with Israel" are outside observers, like regular US citizens.

Hopefully you can understand why it would be antisemitic to launch into a discussion of the brutal Hamas attacks on Jewish civilians as “well, some people are fed up with Israel.” But this would be par for the course for DCPS. My kid knows that antisemitism is OK in a way that other kinds of discriminatory talk is not ok in DCPS. He is resigned to it, which is bad in and of itself, but also makes it that much harder to convey the values of equity & fairness to him.

Well, this is one of the challenges of this discussion for schools.

Is Hamas's attack on Jewish civilians in Israel an attack in Jewish civilians worldwide?

Is the conflict political, ethnic, and/or religious?

How does/should international policy differ with regards to countries that discriminate citizenship and rights based on religion and/or ethnicity?

How is it a challenge to acknowledge that Hamas is an anti-semitic organization that slaughtered Jewish civilians? Can’t we at least start there for a second instead of minimizing it.

THAT is what I wish would have been acknowledged in class for my kid. It was not. Instead they got “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”. Never mind that President Biden explicitly called Hamas terrorists in his speech yesterday. Hamas’ expressed intention in their charter is to kill all Jews. Not “Israelis”. Just Jews. So there is no separating the two at this point. But I guess that makes some of you sleep better at night.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

So can people talk about how Hamas mounted a brutally antisemitic attack; or were they just “fed up with Israel”?

And that’s very cute of you to believe that our experience of antisemitism in DCPS thus far is about Israel. It’s more than that.

To be clear, I think Hamas are brutal and awful. I think the people "fed up with Israel" are outside observers, like regular US citizens.

Hopefully you can understand why it would be antisemitic to launch into a discussion of the brutal Hamas attacks on Jewish civilians as “well, some people are fed up with Israel.” But this would be par for the course for DCPS. My kid knows that antisemitism is OK in a way that other kinds of discriminatory talk is not ok in DCPS. He is resigned to it, which is bad in and of itself, but also makes it that much harder to convey the values of equity & fairness to him.

Well, this is one of the challenges of this discussion for schools.

Is Hamas's attack on Jewish civilians in Israel an attack in Jewish civilians worldwide?

Is the conflict political, ethnic, and/or religious?

How does/should international policy differ with regards to countries that discriminate citizenship and rights based on religion and/or ethnicity?

How is it a challenge to acknowledge that Hamas is an anti-semitic organization that slaughtered Jewish civilians? Can’t we at least start there for a second instead of minimizing it.

Also I love that you’d think a not-so-veiled critique of Israeli citizenship law would be a good discussion point. Do you know how many countries discriminate in citizenship based on ethnicity? Is your idea that the Hamas attacks are nothing but a springboard for a classroom discussion about how bad Israel is?

this is why I sincerely hope the subject does not come up at all.

The biggest country that discriminates citizenship based on ethnicity is China. Is it okay, for example, that they treat Uyghurs and Tibetans differently (well, horribly)? If a practice is common, does that make it moral? etc etc. Interesting questions, if they can be discussed analytically.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

So can people talk about how Hamas mounted a brutally antisemitic attack; or were they just “fed up with Israel”?

And that’s very cute of you to believe that our experience of antisemitism in DCPS thus far is about Israel. It’s more than that.

To be clear, I think Hamas are brutal and awful. I think the people "fed up with Israel" are outside observers, like regular US citizens.

Hopefully you can understand why it would be antisemitic to launch into a discussion of the brutal Hamas attacks on Jewish civilians as “well, some people are fed up with Israel.” But this would be par for the course for DCPS. My kid knows that antisemitism is OK in a way that other kinds of discriminatory talk is not ok in DCPS. He is resigned to it, which is bad in and of itself, but also makes it that much harder to convey the values of equity & fairness to him.

Well, this is one of the challenges of this discussion for schools.

Is Hamas's attack on Jewish civilians in Israel an attack in Jewish civilians worldwide?

Is the conflict political, ethnic, and/or religious?

How does/should international policy differ with regards to countries that discriminate citizenship and rights based on religion and/or ethnicity?

How is it a challenge to acknowledge that Hamas is an anti-semitic organization that slaughtered Jewish civilians? Can’t we at least start there for a second instead of minimizing it.

Jews =\= Israel

You can find fault with Israel and not be antisemitic (and find fault with Israel does not mean minimizing Hamas's atrocities).

But, again, having fixed ideas if what we are all supposed to believe--of not being able to look at Israel and its unique combination of political, religious, and ethnic purpose analytically--is why this is a tough conversation for school.

Godspeed, teachers.

You just don’t get it, do you. YES it is minimizing anti-semitism if you think this discussion at this time starts with “well we can criticizr Israel without being antisemitic!” Did it even occur to you that one reaction Jewish children might be having is fear and grief? And maybe that should be addressed before DCPS teachers start spouting their (no dount woefully uninformed) political views about Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

So can people talk about how Hamas mounted a brutally antisemitic attack; or were they just “fed up with Israel”?

And that’s very cute of you to believe that our experience of antisemitism in DCPS thus far is about Israel. It’s more than that.

To be clear, I think Hamas are brutal and awful. I think the people "fed up with Israel" are outside observers, like regular US citizens.

Hopefully you can understand why it would be antisemitic to launch into a discussion of the brutal Hamas attacks on Jewish civilians as “well, some people are fed up with Israel.” But this would be par for the course for DCPS. My kid knows that antisemitism is OK in a way that other kinds of discriminatory talk is not ok in DCPS. He is resigned to it, which is bad in and of itself, but also makes it that much harder to convey the values of equity & fairness to him.

Well, this is one of the challenges of this discussion for schools.

Is Hamas's attack on Jewish civilians in Israel an attack in Jewish civilians worldwide?

Is the conflict political, ethnic, and/or religious?

How does/should international policy differ with regards to countries that discriminate citizenship and rights based on religion and/or ethnicity?

How is it a challenge to acknowledge that Hamas is an anti-semitic organization that slaughtered Jewish civilians? Can’t we at least start there for a second instead of minimizing it.

Also I love that you’d think a not-so-veiled critique of Israeli citizenship law would be a good discussion point. Do you know how many countries discriminate in citizenship based on ethnicity? Is your idea that the Hamas attacks are nothing but a springboard for a classroom discussion about how bad Israel is?

this is why I sincerely hope the subject does not come up at all.

The biggest country that discriminates citizenship based on ethnicity is China. Is it okay, for example, that they treat Uyghurs and Tibetans differently (well, horribly)? If a practice is common, does that make it moral? etc etc. Interesting questions, if they can be discussed analytically.

Yes citizenship policy is exactly how we want to address how Jewish kids might be feeling.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

So can people talk about how Hamas mounted a brutally antisemitic attack; or were they just “fed up with Israel”?

And that’s very cute of you to believe that our experience of antisemitism in DCPS thus far is about Israel. It’s more than that.

To be clear, I think Hamas are brutal and awful. I think the people "fed up with Israel" are outside observers, like regular US citizens.

Hopefully you can understand why it would be antisemitic to launch into a discussion of the brutal Hamas attacks on Jewish civilians as “well, some people are fed up with Israel.” But this would be par for the course for DCPS. My kid knows that antisemitism is OK in a way that other kinds of discriminatory talk is not ok in DCPS. He is resigned to it, which is bad in and of itself, but also makes it that much harder to convey the values of equity & fairness to him.

Well, this is one of the challenges of this discussion for schools.

Is Hamas's attack on Jewish civilians in Israel an attack in Jewish civilians worldwide?

Is the conflict political, ethnic, and/or religious?

How does/should international policy differ with regards to countries that discriminate citizenship and rights based on religion and/or ethnicity?

How is it a challenge to acknowledge that Hamas is an anti-semitic organization that slaughtered Jewish civilians? Can’t we at least start there for a second instead of minimizing it.

THAT is what I wish would have been acknowledged in class for my kid. It was not. Instead they got “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”. Never mind that President Biden explicitly called Hamas terrorists in his speech yesterday. Hamas’ expressed intention in their charter is to kill all Jews. Not “Israelis”. Just Jews. So there is no separating the two at this point. But I guess that makes some of you sleep better at night.

Was that from a teacher?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

So can people talk about how Hamas mounted a brutally antisemitic attack; or were they just “fed up with Israel”?

And that’s very cute of you to believe that our experience of antisemitism in DCPS thus far is about Israel. It’s more than that.

To be clear, I think Hamas are brutal and awful. I think the people "fed up with Israel" are outside observers, like regular US citizens.

Hopefully you can understand why it would be antisemitic to launch into a discussion of the brutal Hamas attacks on Jewish civilians as “well, some people are fed up with Israel.” But this would be par for the course for DCPS. My kid knows that antisemitism is OK in a way that other kinds of discriminatory talk is not ok in DCPS. He is resigned to it, which is bad in and of itself, but also makes it that much harder to convey the values of equity & fairness to him.

Well, this is one of the challenges of this discussion for schools.

Is Hamas's attack on Jewish civilians in Israel an attack in Jewish civilians worldwide?

Is the conflict political, ethnic, and/or religious?

How does/should international policy differ with regards to countries that discriminate citizenship and rights based on religion and/or ethnicity?

How is it a challenge to acknowledge that Hamas is an anti-semitic organization that slaughtered Jewish civilians? Can’t we at least start there for a second instead of minimizing it.

THAT is what I wish would have been acknowledged in class for my kid. It was not. Instead they got “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”. Never mind that President Biden explicitly called Hamas terrorists in his speech yesterday. Hamas’ expressed intention in their charter is to kill all Jews. Not “Israelis”. Just Jews. So there is no separating the two at this point. But I guess that makes some of you sleep better at night.

Was that from a teacher?

Yes. It was.

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Schools have never have discussions when Palestinians civilians were murdered, it barely gets a footnote in the news if at all. Violence is never acceptable but unless the schools are willing to talk about the entire history of the situation, root causes, the apartheid setup, Israeli atrocities over the past decades, then why are we talking at all?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

I was going to post something similar. People continuously conflating a country/politics with religion (this applies to many places) is wrong. Issues are more complex than that.

And YOU are the one conflating it here. If this topic is to be addressed in school at all (and I hope it is not) it should be from the starting point of “a horrible anti-semitic attack happened in Israel and we know that some Jewish students may be feeling sad and scared.” YOU are the one who immediately wants to skip this part and go straight to lecturing kids about politics.

[Anonymous]

And those of us with black kids wish white teachers wouldn't talk about race relations in america as if they knew what they were talking about; but we don't get to choose.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

So can people talk about how Hamas mounted a brutally antisemitic attack; or were they just “fed up with Israel”?

And that’s very cute of you to believe that our experience of antisemitism in DCPS thus far is about Israel. It’s more than that.

To be clear, I think Hamas are brutal and awful. I think the people "fed up with Israel" are outside observers, like regular US citizens.

Hopefully you can understand why it would be antisemitic to launch into a discussion of the brutal Hamas attacks on Jewish civilians as “well, some people are fed up with Israel.” But this would be par for the course for DCPS. My kid knows that antisemitism is OK in a way that other kinds of discriminatory talk is not ok in DCPS. He is resigned to it, which is bad in and of itself, but also makes it that much harder to convey the values of equity & fairness to him.

Well, this is one of the challenges of this discussion for schools.

Is Hamas's attack on Jewish civilians in Israel an attack in Jewish civilians worldwide?

Is the conflict political, ethnic, and/or religious?

How does/should international policy differ with regards to countries that discriminate citizenship and rights based on religion and/or ethnicity?

How is it a challenge to acknowledge that Hamas is an anti-semitic organization that slaughtered Jewish civilians? Can’t we at least start there for a second instead of minimizing it.

THAT is what I wish would have been acknowledged in class for my kid. It was not. Instead they got “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”. Never mind that President Biden explicitly called Hamas terrorists in his speech yesterday. Hamas’ expressed intention in their charter is to kill all Jews. Not “Israelis”. Just Jews. So there is no separating the two at this point. But I guess that makes some of you sleep better at night.

Was that from a teacher?

Yes. It was.

I would complain!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a ton of antisemitism in DCPS so I actually did not want my (Jewish) child to discuss it at all. I just mentioned it to him briefly. We’ll see what he brings back from school.

Palestinians =\= Hamas

Jews =\= Israel

Some people being fed up with Israel does not make them antisemitic.

So can people talk about how Hamas mounted a brutally antisemitic attack; or were they just “fed up with Israel”?

And that’s very cute of you to believe that our experience of antisemitism in DCPS thus far is about Israel. It’s more than that.

To be clear, I think Hamas are brutal and awful. I think the people "fed up with Israel" are outside observers, like regular US citizens.

Hopefully you can understand why it would be antisemitic to launch into a discussion of the brutal Hamas attacks on Jewish civilians as “well, some people are fed up with Israel.” But this would be par for the course for DCPS. My kid knows that antisemitism is OK in a way that other kinds of discriminatory talk is not ok in DCPS. He is resigned to it, which is bad in and of itself, but also makes it that much harder to convey the values of equity & fairness to him.

Well, this is one of the challenges of this discussion for schools.

Is Hamas's attack on Jewish civilians in Israel an attack in Jewish civilians worldwide?

Is the conflict political, ethnic, and/or religious?

How does/should international policy differ with regards to countries that discriminate citizenship and rights based on religion and/or ethnicity?

How is it a challenge to acknowledge that Hamas is an anti-semitic organization that slaughtered Jewish civilians? Can’t we at least start there for a second instead of minimizing it.

Jews =\= Israel

You can find fault with Israel and not be antisemitic (and find fault with Israel does not mean minimizing Hamas's atrocities).

But, again, having fixed ideas if what we are all supposed to believe--of not being able to look at Israel and its unique combination of political, religious, and ethnic purpose analytically--is why this is a tough conversation for school.

Godspeed, teachers.

You just don’t get it, do you. YES it is minimizing anti-semitism if you think this discussion at this time starts with “well we can criticizr Israel without being antisemitic!” Did it even occur to you that one reaction Jewish children might be having is fear and grief? And maybe that should be addressed before DCPS teachers start spouting their (no dount woefully uninformed) political views about Israel.

NP but there are going to be Muslim students in the room too, who may also be experiencing fear and grief. I don't doubt that there is anti-semitism in DCPS schools (and DC at large) but the reaction that is taking place to these events is very Islamophobic too, from lumping Hamas in with all Palestinians, gleeful declarations of razing Gaza to the ground, calling Palestinians animals and savages, etc.

The entire "now is not the time" reaction is giving NRA after a school shooting. It's clear that it's never the time to examine Israel's actions, and even people with extremely humanistic "I loathe loss of life whatever form it takes" reactions are called anti-semites at this point. I don't envy teachers trying to lead a sane discussion right now.