Do US News Rankings Have any Impact on Admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

Maybe true three years ago but Columbia has has a rough couple of years.

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

Maybe true three years ago but Columbia has has a rough couple of years.

That does not make Duke above Columbia. Harvard also has been rough for the last couple years, but it is still number 1, above Princeton, no matter what US news says.

[Anonymous]

How could it?

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

I agree. I would definitely choose Duke over Columbia these days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From older threads these are the elite schools and therefor the rankings impact admissions:

Undergraduate Tiers
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Caltech, Columbia, Penn (mainly bc of Wharton)

2A) Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Swarthmore

3A) Notre Dame, Emory, UCLA, Wellesley, Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

Fixed it for you.

1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Caltech, Duke , Johns Hopkins, Penn

2A) Chicago, Brown, Cornell, Northwestern, Dartmouth
2B) Rice, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Williams, Amherst, Emory, Notre Dame, WashU

3A) UCLA, Wellesley, Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Middlebury, Barnard, UNC, Pomona, Swarthmore
3B)Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Tufts, Georgia tech

For the most part, there is no functional difference between your As and Bs.

Except some of the Cs should be in the Bs. Some of the Bs Should be in the As. Some of the 1s should be in the 2s. Some of the 2s should be in the 3s. Some of the 3s should be in the 2s. I agree with 1A however.

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Oops, no Cs!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

I agree. I would definitely choose Duke over Columbia these days.

And I suspect a majority of 18 years would make the same choice today. Columbia has always seemed like a stressful place that catered to a small group of students that really wanted to live in NY City. But after the past couple of years, I think the pool of students that want to go to Columbia has shrunk dramatically. No 18 year old wants all the noise and stress and the constant feeling of walking on eggshells that comes with the Columbia experience today. Duke seems infinitely more appealing to the vast majority of smart kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

I agree. I would definitely choose Duke over Columbia these days.

And I suspect a majority of 18 years would make the same choice today. Columbia has always seemed like a stressful place that catered to a small group of students that really wanted to live in NY City. But after the past couple of years, I think the pool of students that want to go to Columbia has shrunk dramatically. No 18 year old wants all the noise and stress and the constant feeling of walking on eggshells that comes with the Columbia experience today. Duke seems infinitely more appealing to the vast majority of smart kids.

No student cares about any of the things you are talking about.
“Walking on eggshells” translates to not being a d*** and just being expressive about social causes-which students these days dont and won’t shut up about. Speculations on things we know to be false (less students interested in Columbia) is a waste of time for everyone involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For people who aren’t familiar with the US system, they may think US News is an official, legit ranking, they have an impact.

For educated people who know that rankings exist to make money, no.

+1

Rankings can be gamed. The colleges with a better ability to game the rankings win.

🥇

Everyone gets a trophy.

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[Anonymous]

“Rankings can be gamed. The colleges with a better ability to game the rankings win.”

The specialty of way too many private institutions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For people who aren’t familiar with the US system, they may think US News is an official, legit ranking, they have an impact.

For educated people who know that rankings exist to make money, no.

Sure but the rankings somewhat mirror perception. Dartmouth will still be elite, striver kids will still flock to Princeton, Duke, Wharton, etc. and STEM kids will aim for MIT and Caltech

And those boring drones who follow the sound of the shrillest voice from the loudest bullhorn will aim for Columbia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

I agree. I would definitely choose Duke over Columbia these days.

And I suspect a majority of 18 years would make the same choice today. Columbia has always seemed like a stressful place that catered to a small group of students that really wanted to live in NY City. But after the past couple of years, I think the pool of students that want to go to Columbia has shrunk dramatically. No 18 year old wants all the noise and stress and the constant feeling of walking on eggshells that comes with the Columbia experience today. Duke seems infinitely more appealing to the vast majority of smart kids.

No student cares about any of the things you are talking about.
“Walking on eggshells” translates to not being a d*** and just being expressive about social causes-which students these days dont and won’t shut up about. Speculations on things we know to be false (less students interested in Columbia) is a waste of time for everyone involved.

I guess you haven’t been listening to the many Jewish students at Columbia who are nervous attending classes. Columbia will certainly fill its smallish freshman class with qualified students, but I’m sure its applications will fall for those who are uncomfortable with what’s been happening there. Your remarks are a bit naive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Rankings can be gamed. The colleges with a better ability to game the rankings win.”

The specialty of way too many private institutions.

Bitter grumbling from a public university grad who couldn’t get into a good private institution

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

I agree. I would definitely choose Duke over Columbia these days.

And I suspect a majority of 18 years would make the same choice today. Columbia has always seemed like a stressful place that catered to a small group of students that really wanted to live in NY City. But after the past couple of years, I think the pool of students that want to go to Columbia has shrunk dramatically. No 18 year old wants all the noise and stress and the constant feeling of walking on eggshells that comes with the Columbia experience today. Duke seems infinitely more appealing to the vast majority of smart kids.

No student cares about any of the things you are talking about.
“Walking on eggshells” translates to not being a d*** and just being expressive about social causes-which students these days dont and won’t shut up about. Speculations on things we know to be false (less students interested in Columbia) is a waste of time for everyone involved.

I guess you haven’t been listening to the many Jewish students at Columbia who are nervous attending classes. Columbia will certainly fill its smallish freshman class with qualified students, but I’m sure its applications will fall for those who are uncomfortable with what’s been happening there. Your remarks are a bit naive.

Nothing naive about confronting the reality that most Jewish students are fine at Columbia-many are protestors, some were even arrested. Not everyone is obsessed with Zionism, especially today’s kids. They’ve continued to have record apps and low acceptance rates- seems you’re the one whose naive