Do US News Rankings Have any Impact on Admissions?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Tulane's apps were down by over 2,000 last year.

No, they changed the way they had been counting apps, previously they counted incomplete apps.

Nope, they made that adjustment the prior year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Not just Columbia. I recently read that Penn knowingly provided inflated stats for over a decade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Not just Columbia. I recently read that Penn knowingly provided inflated stats for over a decade.

I recently read that too. In your post. Source?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think for many people, USNWR is a way to figure out what some good schools are. As immigrants, I know it is used as a general guideline to explore schools. I have an undergrad from overseas, a STEM masters and an MBA from a top 3 program in th US. Only during my MBA did I even come to know about SLACs, Dartmouth or Brown. I had never heard of these schools before. We sent our kids to private schools and learnt more about US colleges. However, many in our immigrant community use USNWR to create a list. I know kids who don't want to apply to WashU this year because it is not a top 20.

If a kid is not going to apply to a school simply because it's not a top 20 on USNWR this year, than that kid is intellectually lazy.

In which case...the vast majority of kids are intellectually lazy. They did an anonymous poll of Columbia students (prior to their rankings controversy) and 85% said they were at Columbia mainly because it was a top-rated school and that was the most important factor in choosing the school. I bet they would get the same results at nearly all the top schools.

Ouch. No wonder Columbia spent so much effort fabricating fake statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:US News is very important. I see it in my job searches (top 60 school) and my kids (top 15).

Especially if non-Ivy, Stanford, or Duke, Chicago.

Ivy really gives you a leg up whether that Ivy is 11 or 13. Ivy is Ivy.

People who claim not to care are those (1) who didn't go to one, (2) whose kids can't get in, (3) don't want to pay for private colleges (or can't afford to).

Ivy is Ivy. The world is an arms race.

Went to Princeton and Stanford (GSB). Have not seen it matter. I went in tech (Google) and there are people around me with no name degrees. You're generalizing quite a bit.

Even the prestige industries like consulting and Finance go beyond rankings. It's not like they give someone at school X a leg up over school Y simply due to rank. Top 30 is top 30 etc. In my case, top 100 is top 100.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth will be less affected than Vanderbilt, Wash. U. and even Chicago.

Dartmouth in an Ivy, and the Ivy brand is way too strong globally. It's located in the wealthiest and most populous region of the US (Northeast) and will always attract wealthy students.

Dartmouth is now officially the lowest ranked Ivy

Yes and a few days ago there were two below Dartmouth. Totally agree that the ivy brand is worth more than the USNWR rankings. Would never pick a public college or most other privates over any Ivy!

This +1,000,000. Ivy is Ivy. Kids grow up wanting an Ivy not Duke (except one guy who went to GW with me who wanted Duke but ended up at GW because of basketball/his Dad was an alum and took him to games there).

There is like two schools you take above Ivy: Stanford and MIT. Cal Tech is so limited it is more a Tech SLAC. Even MIT is probably not ideal for Poli Sci. Not Duke, not Chicago, and certainly not Hopkins, or Gtown, or Vanderbilt, or any public. My kids would not go to publics for undergrad because of the class sizes. SLACs, you would consider a handful: Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona, Naval Academy, Wellesley, Barnard, and Middlebury perhaps. Last two are iffy--Barnard because you get a Columbia degree and Middlebury because it has historically ranked ahead of where it is now (top 10).

[Anonymous]

From older threads these are the elite schools and therefor the rankings impact admissions:

Undergraduate Tiers
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Caltech, Columbia, Penn (mainly bc of Wharton)

2A) Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Swarthmore

3A) Notre Dame, Emory, UCLA, Wellesley, Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From older threads these are the elite schools and therefor the rankings impact admissions:

Undergraduate Tiers
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Caltech, Columbia, Penn (mainly bc of Wharton)

2A) Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Swarthmore

3A) Notre Dame, Emory, UCLA, Wellesley, Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

Enough with this shit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From older threads these are the elite schools and therefor the rankings impact admissions:

Undergraduate Tiers
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Caltech, Columbia, Penn (mainly bc of Wharton)

2A) Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Swarthmore

3A) Notre Dame, Emory, UCLA, Wellesley, Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

Fixed it for you.

1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Caltech, Duke , Johns Hopkins, Penn

2A) Chicago, Brown, Cornell, Northwestern, Dartmouth
2B) Rice, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Williams, Amherst, Emory, Notre Dame, WashU

3A) UCLA, Wellesley, Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Middlebury, Barnard, UNC, Pomona, Swarthmore
3B)Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Tufts, Georgia tech

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From older threads these are the elite schools and therefor the rankings impact admissions:

Undergraduate Tiers
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Caltech, Columbia, Penn (mainly bc of Wharton)

2A) Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Swarthmore

3A) Notre Dame, Emory, UCLA, Wellesley, Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

Fixed it for you.

1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Caltech, Duke , Johns Hopkins, Penn

2A) Chicago, Brown, Cornell, Northwestern, Dartmouth
2B) Rice, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Williams, Amherst, Emory, Notre Dame, WashU

3A) UCLA, Wellesley, Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Middlebury, Barnard, UNC, Pomona, Swarthmore
3B)Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Tufts, Georgia tech

For the most part, there is no functional difference between your As and Bs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth will be less affected than Vanderbilt, Wash. U. and even Chicago.

Dartmouth in an Ivy, and the Ivy brand is way too strong globally. It's located in the wealthiest and most populous region of the US (Northeast) and will always attract wealthy students.

Dartmouth is now officially the lowest ranked Ivy

Yes and a few days ago there were two below Dartmouth. Totally agree that the ivy brand is worth more than the USNWR rankings. Would never pick a public college or most other privates over any Ivy!

This +1,000,000. Ivy is Ivy. Kids grow up wanting an Ivy not Duke (except one guy who went to GW with me who wanted Duke but ended up at GW because of basketball/his Dad was an alum and took him to games there).

There is like two schools you take above Ivy: Stanford and MIT. Cal Tech is so limited it is more a Tech SLAC. Even MIT is probably not ideal for Poli Sci. Not Duke, not Chicago, and certainly not Hopkins, or Gtown, or Vanderbilt, or any public. My kids would not go to publics for undergrad because of the class sizes. SLACs, you would consider a handful: Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona, Naval Academy, Wellesley, Barnard, and Middlebury perhaps. Last two are iffy--Barnard because you get a Columbia degree and Middlebury because it has historically ranked ahead of where it is now (top 10).

Nah. More kids would want Duke than either Dartmouth or Cornell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dartmouth will be less affected than Vanderbilt, Wash. U. and even Chicago.

Dartmouth in an Ivy, and the Ivy brand is way too strong globally. It's located in the wealthiest and most populous region of the US (Northeast) and will always attract wealthy students.

Dartmouth is now officially the lowest ranked Ivy

Yes and a few days ago there were two below Dartmouth. Totally agree that the ivy brand is worth more than the USNWR rankings. Would never pick a public college or most other privates over any Ivy!

This +1,000,000. Ivy is Ivy. Kids grow up wanting an Ivy not Duke (except one guy who went to GW with me who wanted Duke but ended up at GW because of basketball/his Dad was an alum and took him to games there).

There is like two schools you take above Ivy: Stanford and MIT. Cal Tech is so limited it is more a Tech SLAC. Even MIT is probably not ideal for Poli Sci. Not Duke, not Chicago, and certainly not Hopkins, or Gtown, or Vanderbilt, or any public. My kids would not go to publics for undergrad because of the class sizes. SLACs, you would consider a handful: Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona, Naval Academy, Wellesley, Barnard, and Middlebury perhaps. Last two are iffy--Barnard because you get a Columbia degree and Middlebury because it has historically ranked ahead of where it is now (top 10).

Nah. More kids would want Duke than either Dartmouth or Cornell.

Duke is less desirable

[Anonymous]

Is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.