Another round of Covid boosters coming in the fall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

I’m not reading all that but to address your last point, I have had one each of J&J, Pfizer, and Moderna. No problems whatsoever. If you don’t think my anecdote is evidence of anything, then you better be saying the same about yours. I think you’re looking for excuses to distrust the vaccine and nothing will convince you otherwise. I really don’t care what you do and probably most people around you don’t care what you do either. COVID vaccines really brought out people’s underlying paranoia.

+1. That's one thing that has changed for me. I used to spend a lot of time here encouraging people to get vaccinated, not because I care about strangers per se, but I care about how it may affect myself and my loved ones. But after 3 years Covid-free lifestyle for everyone I love, I think I know how to survive next surge and, because of that maybe, I honestly don't care about what others do. It's not like arguing here will change anyone's mind. Do whatever you want to do. Nobody gives F about your life. I just hope that if we have over supply of vaccines, we share it with other countries that want them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

I’m not reading all that but to address your last point, I have had one each of J&J, Pfizer, and Moderna. No problems whatsoever. If you don’t think my anecdote is evidence of anything, then you better be saying the same about yours. I think you’re looking for excuses to distrust the vaccine and nothing will convince you otherwise. I really don’t care what you do and probably most people around you don’t care what you do either. COVID vaccines really brought out people’s underlying paranoia.

+1. That's one thing that has changed for me. I used to spend a lot of time here encouraging people to get vaccinated, not because I care about strangers per se, but I care about how it may affect myself and my loved ones. But after 3 years Covid-free lifestyle for everyone I love, I think I know how to survive next surge and, because of that maybe, I honestly don't care about what others do. It's not like arguing here will change anyone's mind. Do whatever you want to do. Nobody gives F about your life. I just hope that if we have over supply of vaccines, we share it with other countries that want them.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/poland-asks-pfizer-to-renegotiate-vaccine-deal/
The [Polish Health] minister pointed out that the EU cannot even use the excess doses to donate them to other parts of the world, as “currently there are no governments interested in accepting donations of COVID-19 vaccines.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

I’m not reading all that but to address your last point, I have had one each of J&J, Pfizer, and Moderna. No problems whatsoever. If you don’t think my anecdote is evidence of anything, then you better be saying the same about yours. I think you’re looking for excuses to distrust the vaccine and nothing will convince you otherwise. I really don’t care what you do and probably most people around you don’t care what you do either. COVID vaccines really brought out people’s underlying paranoia.

+1. That's one thing that has changed for me. I used to spend a lot of time here encouraging people to get vaccinated, not because I care about strangers per se, but I care about how it may affect myself and my loved ones. But after 3 years Covid-free lifestyle for everyone I love, I think I know how to survive next surge and, because of that maybe, I honestly don't care about what others do. It's not like arguing here will change anyone's mind. Do whatever you want to do. Nobody gives F about your life. I just hope that if we have over supply of vaccines, we share it with other countries that want them.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/poland-asks-pfizer-to-renegotiate-vaccine-deal/
The [Polish Health] minister pointed out that the EU cannot even use the excess doses to donate them to other parts of the world, as “currently there are no governments interested in accepting donations of COVID-19 vaccines.”

Silly pp. we are not in surge and the world is bigger than Poland

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

I’m not reading all that but to address your last point, I have had one each of J&J, Pfizer, and Moderna. No problems whatsoever. If you don’t think my anecdote is evidence of anything, then you better be saying the same about yours. I think you’re looking for excuses to distrust the vaccine and nothing will convince you otherwise. I really don’t care what you do and probably most people around you don’t care what you do either. COVID vaccines really brought out people’s underlying paranoia.

+1. That's one thing that has changed for me. I used to spend a lot of time here encouraging people to get vaccinated, not because I care about strangers per se, but I care about how it may affect myself and my loved ones. But after 3 years Covid-free lifestyle for everyone I love, I think I know how to survive next surge and, because of that maybe, I honestly don't care about what others do. It's not like arguing here will change anyone's mind. Do whatever you want to do. Nobody gives F about your life. I just hope that if we have over supply of vaccines, we share it with other countries that want them.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/poland-asks-pfizer-to-renegotiate-vaccine-deal/
The [Polish Health] minister pointed out that the EU cannot even use the excess doses to donate them to other parts of the world, as “currently there are no governments interested in accepting donations of COVID-19 vaccines.”

Silly pp. we are not in surge and the world is bigger than Poland

The EU is unable to find a government in any part of the world willing to accept donations of covid vaccines.

[Anonymous]

I would totally get a booster if it prevented me from getting or spreading covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

I’m not reading all that but to address your last point, I have had one each of J&J, Pfizer, and Moderna. No problems whatsoever. If you don’t think my anecdote is evidence of anything, then you better be saying the same about yours. I think you’re looking for excuses to distrust the vaccine and nothing will convince you otherwise. I really don’t care what you do and probably most people around you don’t care what you do either. COVID vaccines really brought out people’s underlying paranoia.

+1. That's one thing that has changed for me. I used to spend a lot of time here encouraging people to get vaccinated, not because I care about strangers per se, but I care about how it may affect myself and my loved ones. But after 3 years Covid-free lifestyle for everyone I love, I think I know how to survive next surge and, because of that maybe, I honestly don't care about what others do. It's not like arguing here will change anyone's mind. Do whatever you want to do. Nobody gives F about your life. I just hope that if we have over supply of vaccines, we share it with other countries that want them.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/poland-asks-pfizer-to-renegotiate-vaccine-deal/
The [Polish Health] minister pointed out that the EU cannot even use the excess doses to donate them to other parts of the world, as “currently there are no governments interested in accepting donations of COVID-19 vaccines.”

Silly pp. we are not in surge and the world is bigger than Poland

The EU is unable to find a government in any part of the world willing to accept donations of covid vaccines.

Is fall vax same vax we took 2020-2022?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope.

43, elementary teacher, and I still have yet to catch covid once from the germy children (or elsewhere). Last shot (booster) was in December 2021.

For highly vulnerable people? Fine, go get it. Decently healthy people? Nope.

Why?

Bc they don’t need it!!! Jeez.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

I’m not reading all that but to address your last point, I have had one each of J&J, Pfizer, and Moderna. No problems whatsoever. If you don’t think my anecdote is evidence of anything, then you better be saying the same about yours. I think you’re looking for excuses to distrust the vaccine and nothing will convince you otherwise. I really don’t care what you do and probably most people around you don’t care what you do either. COVID vaccines really brought out people’s underlying paranoia.

+1. That's one thing that has changed for me. I used to spend a lot of time here encouraging people to get vaccinated, not because I care about strangers per se, but I care about how it may affect myself and my loved ones. But after 3 years Covid-free lifestyle for everyone I love, I think I know how to survive next surge and, because of that maybe, I honestly don't care about what others do. It's not like arguing here will change anyone's mind. Do whatever you want to do. Nobody gives F about your life. I just hope that if we have over supply of vaccines, we share it with other countries that want them.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/poland-asks-pfizer-to-renegotiate-vaccine-deal/
The [Polish Health] minister pointed out that the EU cannot even use the excess doses to donate them to other parts of the world, as “currently there are no governments interested in accepting donations of COVID-19 vaccines.”

Silly pp. we are not in surge and the world is bigger than Poland

The EU is unable to find a government in any part of the world willing to accept donations of covid vaccines.

You are purposely trying to mislead people. Not cool. Fall 2023 vaccine will be a different vaccine.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/updated-covid-19-vaccines-use-united-states-beginning-fall-2023#:~:text=For%20the%202023%2D2024%20formulation,lineage%20of%20the%20Omicron%20variant.

Countries not wanting the old formula at this point is totally understandable, and it's not because they believe it didn't work. Come on now.

[Anonymous]

Can anyone point me to a study that shows that getting another booster for a person who is previously vaxxed and boosted and/or had COVID will prevent that person from spreading COVID?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point me to a study that shows that getting another booster for a person who is previously vaxxed and boosted and/or had COVID will prevent that person from spreading COVID?

"Prevent that person from spreading" or "significantly decrease the likelihood that they will spread," or either?

Because if you are nail gunning just for the first without acknowledging the second would also be relevant, then you're not at the same table. No point in engaging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

I’m not reading all that but to address your last point, I have had one each of J&J, Pfizer, and Moderna. No problems whatsoever. If you don’t think my anecdote is evidence of anything, then you better be saying the same about yours. I think you’re looking for excuses to distrust the vaccine and nothing will convince you otherwise. I really don’t care what you do and probably most people around you don’t care what you do either. COVID vaccines really brought out people’s underlying paranoia.

+1. That's one thing that has changed for me. I used to spend a lot of time here encouraging people to get vaccinated, not because I care about strangers per se, but I care about how it may affect myself and my loved ones. But after 3 years Covid-free lifestyle for everyone I love, I think I know how to survive next surge and, because of that maybe, I honestly don't care about what others do. It's not like arguing here will change anyone's mind. Do whatever you want to do. Nobody gives F about your life. I just hope that if we have over supply of vaccines, we share it with other countries that want them.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/poland-asks-pfizer-to-renegotiate-vaccine-deal/
The [Polish Health] minister pointed out that the EU cannot even use the excess doses to donate them to other parts of the world, as “currently there are no governments interested in accepting donations of COVID-19 vaccines.”

Silly pp. we are not in surge and the world is bigger than Poland

The EU is unable to find a government in any part of the world willing to accept donations of covid vaccines.

You are purposely trying to mislead people. Not cool. Fall 2023 vaccine will be a different vaccine.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/updated-covid-19-vaccines-use-united-states-beginning-fall-2023#:~:text=For%20the%202023%2D2024%20formulation,lineage%20of%20the%20Omicron%20variant.

Countries not wanting the old formula at this point is totally understandable, and it's not because they believe it didn't work. Come on now.

The quote is from May when recommendations were (and still are) in place for everyone to receive one dose of bivalent and a second dose allowed if vulnerable. Even so, nations were not accepting donations. The reason the EU was looking to donate is because they have stockpiles expiring due to low demand.

[Anonymous]

No more for me! I faithfully vaccinated and boosted but no more. My periods are finally back on track.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point me to a study that shows that getting another booster for a person who is previously vaxxed and boosted and/or had COVID will prevent that person from spreading COVID?

"Prevent that person from spreading" or "significantly decrease the likelihood that they will spread," or either?

Because if you are nail gunning just for the first without acknowledging the second would also be relevant, then you're not at the same table. No point in engaging.

Either of those. I'm not anti-vax. I'm just asking for data, particularly for the new vaccine. But old is fine too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are people so hesitant to get another booster? Honest question.

Because every shot (I got initial 2 doses + 2 boosters) incapacitated me for 1-2 days each.
I got covid anyway and was unable to work for over a week, had to seek medical care, and was in tremendous pain and discomfort.

I'm not suffering for something that didn't help me. I highly doubt I would have died if I wasn't vaccinated, so save your breath.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

I’m not reading all that but to address your last point, I have had one each of J&J, Pfizer, and Moderna. No problems whatsoever. If you don’t think my anecdote is evidence of anything, then you better be saying the same about yours. I think you’re looking for excuses to distrust the vaccine and nothing will convince you otherwise. I really don’t care what you do and probably most people around you don’t care what you do either. COVID vaccines really brought out people’s underlying paranoia.

+1. That's one thing that has changed for me. I used to spend a lot of time here encouraging people to get vaccinated, not because I care about strangers per se, but I care about how it may affect myself and my loved ones. But after 3 years Covid-free lifestyle for everyone I love, I think I know how to survive next surge and, because of that maybe, I honestly don't care about what others do. It's not like arguing here will change anyone's mind. Do whatever you want to do. Nobody gives F about your life. I just hope that if we have over supply of vaccines, we share it with other countries that want them.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/poland-asks-pfizer-to-renegotiate-vaccine-deal/
The [Polish Health] minister pointed out that the EU cannot even use the excess doses to donate them to other parts of the world, as “currently there are no governments interested in accepting donations of COVID-19 vaccines.”

Silly pp. we are not in surge and the world is bigger than Poland

The EU is unable to find a government in any part of the world willing to accept donations of covid vaccines.

You are purposely trying to mislead people. Not cool. Fall 2023 vaccine will be a different vaccine.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/updated-covid-19-vaccines-use-united-states-beginning-fall-2023#:~:text=For%20the%202023%2D2024%20formulation,lineage%20of%20the%20Omicron%20variant.

Countries not wanting the old formula at this point is totally understandable, and it's not because they believe it didn't work. Come on now.

The quote is from May when recommendations were (and still are) in place for everyone to receive one dose of bivalent and a second dose allowed if vulnerable. Even so, nations were not accepting donations. The reason the EU was looking to donate is because they have stockpiles expiring due to low demand.

Well, on MAY of 2023, Covid numbers were down (down significantly) and I can see them trying to get rid of (or donate, whatever word you want to use) overstocked vaccine. I mean, what do you think EU's call proves? Low demand because low Covid rate. But, as we have seen before, it can change very quick.