Another round of Covid boosters coming in the fall

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people so hesitant to get another booster? Honest question.

Because every shot (I got initial 2 doses + 2 boosters) incapacitated me for 1-2 days each.
I got covid anyway and was unable to work for over a week, had to seek medical care, and was in tremendous pain and discomfort.

I'm not suffering for something that didn't help me. I highly doubt I would have died if I wasn't vaccinated, so save your breath.

I don't think anyone's trying to save your life. If you don't care, we don't care. Simple as that.

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I got covid 2x, once before vaccinations and once after. Same level of illness.

The shots and boosters made me sick 2 days each time. Given my history, not doing that again for no purpose. I'm done.

I always got and will continue to get flu vax, that never gives me side effects.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone point me to a study that shows that getting another booster for a person who is previously vaxxed and boosted and/or had COVID will prevent that person from spreading COVID?

"Prevent that person from spreading" or "significantly decrease the likelihood that they will spread," or either?

Because if you are nail gunning just for the first without acknowledging the second would also be relevant, then you're not at the same table. No point in engaging.

The answer for both of those things is no.

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Yes I will get the booster. I had Covid in 2020 and it was awful.

Haven’t had it since I’ve been vaxxed and boosted.

I will also get the flu shot.

And the shingles vaccine as soon as I turn 50.

I like being vaccinated against diseases that are icky or can cause death. I would prefer not to get them, and I would prefer not to pass them on to other people (yes I know Covid vaccinated people can still get sick and pass it on, but it’s far more likely to get sick and pass it on if you weren’t vaccinated because you will be sicker and have a higher viral load etc).

It’s not perfect but I like to prevent disease when possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

I’m not reading all that but to address your last point, I have had one each of J&J, Pfizer, and Moderna. No problems whatsoever. If you don’t think my anecdote is evidence of anything, then you better be saying the same about yours. I think you’re looking for excuses to distrust the vaccine and nothing will convince you otherwise. I really don’t care what you do and probably most people around you don’t care what you do either. COVID vaccines really brought out people’s underlying paranoia.

So,you’re outraged despite not reading all that. Ok. Chill out. No ones taking away your right to boost up.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes I will get the booster. I had Covid in 2020 and it was awful.

Haven’t had it since I’ve been vaxxed and boosted.

I will also get the flu shot.

And the shingles vaccine as soon as I turn 50.

I like being vaccinated against diseases that are icky or can cause death. I would prefer not to get them, and I would prefer not to pass them on to other people (yes I know Covid vaccinated people can still get sick and pass it on, but it’s far more likely to get sick and pass it on if you weren’t vaccinated because you will be sicker and have a higher viral load etc).

It’s not perfect but I like to prevent disease when possible.

Same here on all accounts. When did this become so controversial?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes I will get the booster. I had Covid in 2020 and it was awful.

Haven’t had it since I’ve been vaxxed and boosted.

I will also get the flu shot.

And the shingles vaccine as soon as I turn 50.

I like being vaccinated against diseases that are icky or can cause death. I would prefer not to get them, and I would prefer not to pass them on to other people (yes I know Covid vaccinated people can still get sick and pass it on, but it’s far more likely to get sick and pass it on if you weren’t vaccinated because you will be sicker and have a higher viral load etc).

It’s not perfect but I like to prevent disease when possible.

Same here on all accounts. When did this become so controversial?

When people lost their jobs for not wanting to use a vaccine that wasn't effective nor needed for a large portion of the population.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

I’m not reading all that but to address your last point, I have had one each of J&J, Pfizer, and Moderna. No problems whatsoever. If you don’t think my anecdote is evidence of anything, then you better be saying the same about yours. I think you’re looking for excuses to distrust the vaccine and nothing will convince you otherwise. I really don’t care what you do and probably most people around you don’t care what you do either. COVID vaccines really brought out people’s underlying paranoia.

+1. That's one thing that has changed for me. I used to spend a lot of time here encouraging people to get vaccinated, not because I care about strangers per se, but I care about how it may affect myself and my loved ones. But after 3 years Covid-free lifestyle for everyone I love, I think I know how to survive next surge and, because of that maybe, I honestly don't care about what others do. It's not like arguing here will change anyone's mind. Do whatever you want to do. Nobody gives F about your life. I just hope that if we have over supply of vaccines, we share it with other countries that want them.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/poland-asks-pfizer-to-renegotiate-vaccine-deal/
The [Polish Health] minister pointed out that the EU cannot even use the excess doses to donate them to other parts of the world, as “currently there are no governments interested in accepting donations of COVID-19 vaccines.”

Silly pp. we are not in surge and the world is bigger than Poland

The EU is unable to find a government in any part of the world willing to accept donations of covid vaccines.

You are purposely trying to mislead people. Not cool. Fall 2023 vaccine will be a different vaccine.

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/updated-covid-19-vaccines-use-united-states-beginning-fall-2023#:~:text=For%20the%202023%2D2024%20formulation,lineage%20of%20the%20Omicron%20variant.

Countries not wanting the old formula at this point is totally understandable, and it's not because they believe it didn't work. Come on now.

The quote is from May when recommendations were (and still are) in place for everyone to receive one dose of bivalent and a second dose allowed if vulnerable. Even so, nations were not accepting donations. The reason the EU was looking to donate is because they have stockpiles expiring due to low demand.

Well, on MAY of 2023, Covid numbers were down (down significantly) and I can see them trying to get rid of (or donate, whatever word you want to use) overstocked vaccine. I mean, what do you think EU's call proves? Low demand because low Covid rate. But, as we have seen before, it can change very quick.

Numbers are unknown as most aren't testing for it. However, its a hard no for me.

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Anonymous wrote:What for? Plenty got the booster and still got covid.

I may pay attention if the UK and EU presses talk about boosters. I trust them for Covid news more than any American sources.

Same on following UK/EU.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a chance in he11 will I get it.

LOL. K. See you in he11.

[Wakawaka]

I don’t think so

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Anonymous wrote:My body, my choice. I choose NO! NEVER AGAIN and I will not even get the flu vaccine any longer. The trust is sadly gone.

Ditto

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 45 but I want the RSV vaccine. Very much.

The one that is targeted to the variety that requires vaccine passports.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why people are so weird about the covid shots. If my doc recommends I get another booster, I'll get the booster - just like I do the flu shot every year. Really not a big deal.

For me, it’s the letting in of millions and millions of people who are virtually unvetted and unvaccinated while at the same time, pushing more and more restrictions on the American people.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope.

43, elementary teacher, and I still have yet to catch covid once from the germy children (or elsewhere). Last shot (booster) was in December 2021.

For highly vulnerable people? Fine, go get it. Decently healthy people? Nope.

Why?

Lots of us went through the “immunization” routine and got Covid anyways. Many of us are very healthy and under the age of 65.

In the before times, you would question an intervention before you bothered with it. Now, to do so is immediately faced with pressure and suspicion.

These new “boosters” will have the uptake of a fart in a space suit. No thanks.

Did you think vaccine will protect you from getting COVID or from getting really sick/death?

The later. I always understood it would not prevent infection. By the time my wife and I got Covid it was January 2022, when everybody got covid. By then, our primary series was meaningless. We got the booster three months later and that was the end of this nonsense for me.

My immune system is the strongest it’s been in my adult life. I have zero concerns.

For my parents who are in their late 70s. Yes, they should be worried and should be using the intervention given the risks. For healthy people in middle age, to many unknowns and the risk is effectively zero.

My secretary's brother bragged about his healthy immune system and then he died of Covid, whereas his wife and 85 year old mother in law (both vaccinated) also got Covid at the same time and did not die.

So maybe he was wrong about his immune system but you are not because you got your immune system tested with the immune system strength test and got an A+ grade, right? Or did God speak to you in a dream and tell you your immune system is strong? Like, I'm wondering how you can say this with such confidence with and what that is based on.

I’m 42 you dolt. Setting aside your dumb impossible hypothetical about testing, I’ve been around a lot of sick people for extended periods of time in the last 1.5 years since I’ve had Covid and I’ve been fine. This includes my wife who sleeps right next to me. I’ve never been healthier. That about all the reassurance I need. I also know exactly ZERO people in my peer group of many thousands who had any serious complications from Covid-vaccinated or not.

Im going to go out on a limb and take the average likelihood that your secretary’s brother was at least 55 and was probably an idiot and not very healthy. That’s normal for the US.

I’ll take my chances without further intervention. You know the crazy old school thought that you consider the benefit of an intervention compare to any risks. Crazy that thought. You might do some critical thinking once in awhile. It’ll do you some good.

Tell that to virus.

Do you even have any sense of the serious consequence risk of Covid for somebody below the age of 65 with normal/low blood pressure, better than acceptable blood lab reports, normal BMI, exceeding 150 minutes of elevated heart rate exercise per week, healthy diet, etc..? Rounded to a fraction of a whole number, it is still zero.

So, I won’t be having a “discussion with virus.”

The default to having more drugs is the polar opposite of normal. These vaccines are just that-drugs. I’ll take my chances on my own.

Plenty of dead people like that.

So the quote remains available: “Do you even have any sense of the serious consequence risk of Covid for somebody below the age of 65 with normal/low blood pressure, better than acceptable blood lab reports, normal BMI, exceeding 150 minutes of elevated heart rate exercise per week, healthy diet, etc..? Rounded to a fraction of a whole number, it is still zero.“

Do you have some evidence to back this up? The answer will be no. Maybe by plenty you mean some absurdly low number, maybe like 0.000000001% of infections or something silly like that. I’m more at risk riding a bike than I am at risk of dying of Covid by orders of magnitude.

It's not just about you, except to you I guess it is.

NP. I wish the Biden administration had that attitude towards immigration