Another round of Covid boosters coming in the fall

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Anonymous wrote:Nope.

43, elementary teacher, and I still have yet to catch covid once from the germy children (or elsewhere). Last shot (booster) was in December 2021.

For highly vulnerable people? Fine, go get it. Decently healthy people? Nope.

Why?

Lots of us went through the “immunization” routine and got Covid anyways. Many of us are very healthy and under the age of 65.

In the before times, you would question an intervention before you bothered with it. Now, to do so is immediately faced with pressure and suspicion.

These new “boosters” will have the uptake of a fart in a space suit. No thanks.

Did you think vaccine will protect you from getting COVID or from getting really sick/death?

The later. I always understood it would not prevent infection. By the time my wife and I got Covid it was January 2022, when everybody got covid. By then, our primary series was meaningless. We got the booster three months later and that was the end of this nonsense for me.

My immune system is the strongest it’s been in my adult life. I have zero concerns.

For my parents who are in their late 70s. Yes, they should be worried and should be using the intervention given the risks. For healthy people in middle age, to many unknowns and the risk is effectively zero.

My secretary's brother bragged about his healthy immune system and then he died of Covid, whereas his wife and 85 year old mother in law (both vaccinated) also got Covid at the same time and did not die.

So maybe he was wrong about his immune system but you are not because you got your immune system tested with the immune system strength test and got an A+ grade, right? Or did God speak to you in a dream and tell you your immune system is strong? Like, I'm wondering how you can say this with such confidence with and what that is based on.

I’m 42 you dolt. Setting aside your dumb impossible hypothetical about testing, I’ve been around a lot of sick people for extended periods of time in the last 1.5 years since I’ve had Covid and I’ve been fine. This includes my wife who sleeps right next to me. I’ve never been healthier. That about all the reassurance I need. I also know exactly ZERO people in my peer group of many thousands who had any serious complications from Covid-vaccinated or not.

Im going to go out on a limb and take the average likelihood that your secretary’s brother was at least 55 and was probably an idiot and not very healthy. That’s normal for the US.

I’ll take my chances without further intervention. You know the crazy old school thought that you consider the benefit of an intervention compare to any risks. Crazy that thought. You might do some critical thinking once in awhile. It’ll do you some good.

Tell that to virus.

Do you even have any sense of the serious consequence risk of Covid for somebody below the age of 65 with normal/low blood pressure, better than acceptable blood lab reports, normal BMI, exceeding 150 minutes of elevated heart rate exercise per week, healthy diet, etc..? Rounded to a fraction of a whole number, it is still zero.

So, I won’t be having a “discussion with virus.”

The default to having more drugs is the polar opposite of normal. These vaccines are just that-drugs. I’ll take my chances on my own.

Plenty of dead people like that.

So the quote remains available: “Do you even have any sense of the serious consequence risk of Covid for somebody below the age of 65 with normal/low blood pressure, better than acceptable blood lab reports, normal BMI, exceeding 150 minutes of elevated heart rate exercise per week, healthy diet, etc..? Rounded to a fraction of a whole number, it is still zero.“

Do you have some evidence to back this up? The answer will be no. Maybe by plenty you mean some absurdly low number, maybe like 0.000000001% of infections or something silly like that. I’m more at risk riding a bike than I am at risk of dying of Covid by orders of magnitude.

Bud, i don't give rat's a$$ what you do. Your illness and even death is not worth a quarter to me. You talk a lot btw.

Then why did you respond?

The risk profile is directly germane to the question of whether people will continue to get boosters. Your dismissive attitude speaks volumes. And, you are making shit up about “plenty” of healthy people below 65 dying or having any significant complications, especially since omicron appeared. It’s just not true - boosted or not.

A normal person considering any medical intervention actually considers whether the juice is worth the squeeze. Crazy that thought.

Or maybe you can live in some weird deep web fueled alternative universe where Covid is some outsized risk.

In the District of Columbia, 30% of people who died of Covid were under 70%.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/what-share-of-people-who-have-died-of-covid-19-are-65-and-older-and-how-does-it-vary-by-state/

Well this is from July 2020, so we have that.

We have what?

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why people are so weird about the covid shots. If my doc recommends I get another booster, I'll get the booster - just like I do the flu shot every year. Really not a big deal.

So you're one of the lucky ones who experience no side effects from the covid shots? Lucky you. It is a big deal, for those of us that get knocked out for 1-2 full days each time we get one of the shots.

And no, it's not "better than covid" because I've never had covid, ever.

This is dumb. I also have a strong reaction to the shots, and I still get them, because they're not actually bad for my health, whereas Covid is.

Covid is not bad for the health of anyone in decent health.

You do you, but most people recover just fine if/when they have covid.

This quite literally isn't true. My 13 year old nephew got Covid and now has long Covid. It has kept him out of school for weeks at a time, prevented him from playing with friends, and generally derailed his life. He had no comorbidities or chronic conditions prior to his illness. He is not malingering. No 13 year old boy wants to be in bed all the time.

PP, so sorry about your nephew. Was he vaccinated when he got COVID? I wish we had more data on this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope.

43, elementary teacher, and I still have yet to catch covid once from the germy children (or elsewhere). Last shot (booster) was in December 2021.

For highly vulnerable people? Fine, go get it. Decently healthy people? Nope.

Why?

Lots of us went through the “immunization” routine and got Covid anyways. Many of us are very healthy and under the age of 65.

In the before times, you would question an intervention before you bothered with it. Now, to do so is immediately faced with pressure and suspicion.

These new “boosters” will have the uptake of a fart in a space suit. No thanks.

Did you think vaccine will protect you from getting COVID or from getting really sick/death?

The later. I always understood it would not prevent infection. By the time my wife and I got Covid it was January 2022, when everybody got covid. By then, our primary series was meaningless. We got the booster three months later and that was the end of this nonsense for me.

My immune system is the strongest it’s been in my adult life. I have zero concerns.

For my parents who are in their late 70s. Yes, they should be worried and should be using the intervention given the risks. For healthy people in middle age, to many unknowns and the risk is effectively zero.

My secretary's brother bragged about his healthy immune system and then he died of Covid, whereas his wife and 85 year old mother in law (both vaccinated) also got Covid at the same time and did not die.

So maybe he was wrong about his immune system but you are not because you got your immune system tested with the immune system strength test and got an A+ grade, right? Or did God speak to you in a dream and tell you your immune system is strong? Like, I'm wondering how you can say this with such confidence with and what that is based on.

I’m 42 you dolt. Setting aside your dumb impossible hypothetical about testing, I’ve been around a lot of sick people for extended periods of time in the last 1.5 years since I’ve had Covid and I’ve been fine. This includes my wife who sleeps right next to me. I’ve never been healthier. That about all the reassurance I need. I also know exactly ZERO people in my peer group of many thousands who had any serious complications from Covid-vaccinated or not.

Im going to go out on a limb and take the average likelihood that your secretary’s brother was at least 55 and was probably an idiot and not very healthy. That’s normal for the US.

I’ll take my chances without further intervention. You know the crazy old school thought that you consider the benefit of an intervention compare to any risks. Crazy that thought. You might do some critical thinking once in awhile. It’ll do you some good.

Tell that to virus.

Do you even have any sense of the serious consequence risk of Covid for somebody below the age of 65 with normal/low blood pressure, better than acceptable blood lab reports, normal BMI, exceeding 150 minutes of elevated heart rate exercise per week, healthy diet, etc..? Rounded to a fraction of a whole number, it is still zero.

So, I won’t be having a “discussion with virus.”

The default to having more drugs is the polar opposite of normal. These vaccines are just that-drugs. I’ll take my chances on my own.

Plenty of dead people like that.

So the quote remains available: “Do you even have any sense of the serious consequence risk of Covid for somebody below the age of 65 with normal/low blood pressure, better than acceptable blood lab reports, normal BMI, exceeding 150 minutes of elevated heart rate exercise per week, healthy diet, etc..? Rounded to a fraction of a whole number, it is still zero.“

Do you have some evidence to back this up? The answer will be no. Maybe by plenty you mean some absurdly low number, maybe like 0.000000001% of infections or something silly like that. I’m more at risk riding a bike than I am at risk of dying of Covid by orders of magnitude.

Bud, i don't give rat's a$$ what you do. Your illness and even death is not worth a quarter to me. You talk a lot btw.

Then why did you respond?

The risk profile is directly germane to the question of whether people will continue to get boosters. Your dismissive attitude speaks volumes. And, you are making shit up about “plenty” of healthy people below 65 dying or having any significant complications, especially since omicron appeared. It’s just not true - boosted or not.

A normal person considering any medical intervention actually considers whether the juice is worth the squeeze. Crazy that thought.

Or maybe you can live in some weird deep web fueled alternative universe where Covid is some outsized risk.

In the District of Columbia, 30% of people who died of Covid were under 70%.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/what-share-of-people-who-have-died-of-covid-19-are-65-and-older-and-how-does-it-vary-by-state/

Well this is from July 2020, so we have that.

Here's data from April 2023. Looks like 24% of all deaths were under 65.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254488/us-share-of-total-covid-deaths-by-age-group/

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why people are so weird about the covid shots. If my doc recommends I get another booster, I'll get the booster - just like I do the flu shot every year. Really not a big deal.

So you're one of the lucky ones who experience no side effects from the covid shots? Lucky you. It is a big deal, for those of us that get knocked out for 1-2 full days each time we get one of the shots.

And no, it's not "better than covid" because I've never had covid, ever.

This is dumb. I also have a strong reaction to the shots, and I still get them, because they're not actually bad for my health, whereas Covid is.

Covid is not bad for the health of anyone in decent health.

You do you, but most people recover just fine if/when they have covid.

That's not what people with long COVID tell me

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why people are so weird about the covid shots. If my doc recommends I get another booster, I'll get the booster - just like I do the flu shot every year. Really not a big deal.

So you're one of the lucky ones who experience no side effects from the covid shots? Lucky you. It is a big deal, for those of us that get knocked out for 1-2 full days each time we get one of the shots.

And no, it's not "better than covid" because I've never had covid, ever.

This is dumb. I also have a strong reaction to the shots, and I still get them, because they're not actually bad for my health, whereas Covid is.

Covid is not bad for the health of anyone in decent health.

You do you, but most people recover just fine if/when they have covid.

This quite literally isn't true. My 13 year old nephew got Covid and now has long Covid. It has kept him out of school for weeks at a time, prevented him from playing with friends, and generally derailed his life. He had no comorbidities or chronic conditions prior to his illness. He is not malingering. No 13 year old boy wants to be in bed all the time.

PP, so sorry about your nephew. Was he vaccinated when he got COVID? I wish we had more data on this point.

He was not. He got sick in spring of 2020, in the first wave.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why people are so weird about the covid shots. If my doc recommends I get another booster, I'll get the booster - just like I do the flu shot every year. Really not a big deal.

So you're one of the lucky ones who experience no side effects from the covid shots? Lucky you. It is a big deal, for those of us that get knocked out for 1-2 full days each time we get one of the shots.

And no, it's not "better than covid" because I've never had covid, ever.

This is dumb. I also have a strong reaction to the shots, and I still get them, because they're not actually bad for my health, whereas Covid is.

Covid is not bad for the health of anyone in decent health.

You do you, but most people recover just fine if/when they have covid.

This quite literally isn't true. My 13 year old nephew got Covid and now has long Covid. It has kept him out of school for weeks at a time, prevented him from playing with friends, and generally derailed his life. He had no comorbidities or chronic conditions prior to his illness. He is not malingering. No 13 year old boy wants to be in bed all the time.

PP, so sorry about your nephew. Was he vaccinated when he got COVID? I wish we had more data on this point.

He was not. He got sick in spring of 2020, in the first wave.

Ugh. That's heartbreaking. Is he local? I hope he is getting good treatment.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why people are so weird about the covid shots. If my doc recommends I get another booster, I'll get the booster - just like I do the flu shot every year. Really not a big deal.

So you're one of the lucky ones who experience no side effects from the covid shots? Lucky you. It is a big deal, for those of us that get knocked out for 1-2 full days each time we get one of the shots.

And no, it's not "better than covid" because I've never had covid, ever.

This is dumb. I also have a strong reaction to the shots, and I still get them, because they're not actually bad for my health, whereas Covid is.

I am the PP that the other person was responding to - and I also got knocked out for a couple of days with the shots. And when I actually came down with COVID, I was pretty sick for a couple of days, and then was fine. Didn't need Paxlovid, just needed a lot of sleep (and tissues).

So long as doctors tell me it's better to have the shot than not, I'll get the shot.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope.

43, elementary teacher, and I still have yet to catch covid once from the germy children (or elsewhere). Last shot (booster) was in December 2021.

For highly vulnerable people? Fine, go get it. Decently healthy people? Nope.

Why?

Lots of us went through the “immunization” routine and got Covid anyways. Many of us are very healthy and under the age of 65.

In the before times, you would question an intervention before you bothered with it. Now, to do so is immediately faced with pressure and suspicion.

These new “boosters” will have the uptake of a fart in a space suit. No thanks.

Did you think vaccine will protect you from getting COVID or from getting really sick/death?

The later. I always understood it would not prevent infection. By the time my wife and I got Covid it was January 2022, when everybody got covid. By then, our primary series was meaningless. We got the booster three months later and that was the end of this nonsense for me.

My immune system is the strongest it’s been in my adult life. I have zero concerns.

For my parents who are in their late 70s. Yes, they should be worried and should be using the intervention given the risks. For healthy people in middle age, to many unknowns and the risk is effectively zero.

My secretary's brother bragged about his healthy immune system and then he died of Covid, whereas his wife and 85 year old mother in law (both vaccinated) also got Covid at the same time and did not die.

So maybe he was wrong about his immune system but you are not because you got your immune system tested with the immune system strength test and got an A+ grade, right? Or did God speak to you in a dream and tell you your immune system is strong? Like, I'm wondering how you can say this with such confidence with and what that is based on.

I’m 42 you dolt. Setting aside your dumb impossible hypothetical about testing, I’ve been around a lot of sick people for extended periods of time in the last 1.5 years since I’ve had Covid and I’ve been fine. This includes my wife who sleeps right next to me. I’ve never been healthier. That about all the reassurance I need. I also know exactly ZERO people in my peer group of many thousands who had any serious complications from Covid-vaccinated or not.

Im going to go out on a limb and take the average likelihood that your secretary’s brother was at least 55 and was probably an idiot and not very healthy. That’s normal for the US.

I’ll take my chances without further intervention. You know the crazy old school thought that you consider the benefit of an intervention compare to any risks. Crazy that thought. You might do some critical thinking once in awhile. It’ll do you some good.

Tell that to virus.

Do you even have any sense of the serious consequence risk of Covid for somebody below the age of 65 with normal/low blood pressure, better than acceptable blood lab reports, normal BMI, exceeding 150 minutes of elevated heart rate exercise per week, healthy diet, etc..? Rounded to a fraction of a whole number, it is still zero.

So, I won’t be having a “discussion with virus.”

The default to having more drugs is the polar opposite of normal. These vaccines are just that-drugs. I’ll take my chances on my own.

Plenty of dead people like that.

So the quote remains available: “Do you even have any sense of the serious consequence risk of Covid for somebody below the age of 65 with normal/low blood pressure, better than acceptable blood lab reports, normal BMI, exceeding 150 minutes of elevated heart rate exercise per week, healthy diet, etc..? Rounded to a fraction of a whole number, it is still zero.“

Do you have some evidence to back this up? The answer will be no. Maybe by plenty you mean some absurdly low number, maybe like 0.000000001% of infections or something silly like that. I’m more at risk riding a bike than I am at risk of dying of Covid by orders of magnitude.

Bud, i don't give rat's a$$ what you do. Your illness and even death is not worth a quarter to me. You talk a lot btw.

Then why did you respond?

The risk profile is directly germane to the question of whether people will continue to get boosters. Your dismissive attitude speaks volumes. And, you are making shit up about “plenty” of healthy people below 65 dying or having any significant complications, especially since omicron appeared. It’s just not true - boosted or not.

A normal person considering any medical intervention actually considers whether the juice is worth the squeeze. Crazy that thought.

Or maybe you can live in some weird deep web fueled alternative universe where Covid is some outsized risk.

In the District of Columbia, 30% of people who died of Covid were under 70%.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/what-share-of-people-who-have-died-of-covid-19-are-65-and-older-and-how-does-it-vary-by-state/

Well this is from July 2020, so we have that.

Here's data from April 2023. Looks like 24% of all deaths were under 65.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254488/us-share-of-total-covid-deaths-by-age-group/

Good thing I’m not even 50 yet. Perhaps I should mark myself safe on Facebook.

And none of this addresses what was wrong with any of those people before they got seriously ill.

You can twist and turn and hide under a rock all you want. Normal people are done worrying about Covid.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why people are so weird about the covid shots. If my doc recommends I get another booster, I'll get the booster - just like I do the flu shot every year. Really not a big deal.

So you're one of the lucky ones who experience no side effects from the covid shots? Lucky you. It is a big deal, for those of us that get knocked out for 1-2 full days each time we get one of the shots.

And no, it's not "better than covid" because I've never had covid, ever.

This is dumb. I also have a strong reaction to the shots, and I still get them, because they're not actually bad for my health, whereas Covid is.

Covid is not bad for the health of anyone in decent health.

You do you, but most people recover just fine if/when they have covid.

This quite literally isn't true. My 13 year old nephew got Covid and now has long Covid. It has kept him out of school for weeks at a time, prevented him from playing with friends, and generally derailed his life. He had no comorbidities or chronic conditions prior to his illness. He is not malingering. No 13 year old boy wants to be in bed all the time.

PP, so sorry about your nephew. Was he vaccinated when he got COVID? I wish we had more data on this point.

He was not. He got sick in spring of 2020, in the first wave.

Ugh. That's heartbreaking. Is he local? I hope he is getting good treatment.

Different family member of long COVID patient here. There is a long COVID clinic at GW and MedStar has built out their PT program for it as well (all of my loved one's appts say "long COVID rehab" on them, for the deniers out there). But the reality is that the fatigue and the vascular regulation problems are very persistent, and there's no specific treatment for them, even when the treatment is "good."

If you live with or near this, it is much harder to tolerate the "COVID is over" crap--as hard as it is for people with post-polio to tolerate "polio is over," only maybe worse because we've had less practice.

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Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

If you are done, you are done. What’s up with super long post?

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Anonymous wrote:Nope.

43, elementary teacher, and I still have yet to catch covid once from the germy children (or elsewhere). Last shot (booster) was in December 2021.

For highly vulnerable people? Fine, go get it. Decently healthy people? Nope.

Why?

Lots of us went through the “immunization” routine and got Covid anyways. Many of us are very healthy and under the age of 65.

In the before times, you would question an intervention before you bothered with it. Now, to do so is immediately faced with pressure and suspicion.

These new “boosters” will have the uptake of a fart in a space suit. No thanks.

Did you think vaccine will protect you from getting COVID or from getting really sick/death?

The later. I always understood it would not prevent infection. By the time my wife and I got Covid it was January 2022, when everybody got covid. By then, our primary series was meaningless. We got the booster three months later and that was the end of this nonsense for me.

My immune system is the strongest it’s been in my adult life. I have zero concerns.

For my parents who are in their late 70s. Yes, they should be worried and should be using the intervention given the risks. For healthy people in middle age, to many unknowns and the risk is effectively zero.

My secretary's brother bragged about his healthy immune system and then he died of Covid, whereas his wife and 85 year old mother in law (both vaccinated) also got Covid at the same time and did not die.

So maybe he was wrong about his immune system but you are not because you got your immune system tested with the immune system strength test and got an A+ grade, right? Or did God speak to you in a dream and tell you your immune system is strong? Like, I'm wondering how you can say this with such confidence with and what that is based on.

I’m 42 you dolt. Setting aside your dumb impossible hypothetical about testing, I’ve been around a lot of sick people for extended periods of time in the last 1.5 years since I’ve had Covid and I’ve been fine. This includes my wife who sleeps right next to me. I’ve never been healthier. That about all the reassurance I need. I also know exactly ZERO people in my peer group of many thousands who had any serious complications from Covid-vaccinated or not.

Im going to go out on a limb and take the average likelihood that your secretary’s brother was at least 55 and was probably an idiot and not very healthy. That’s normal for the US.

I’ll take my chances without further intervention. You know the crazy old school thought that you consider the benefit of an intervention compare to any risks. Crazy that thought. You might do some critical thinking once in awhile. It’ll do you some good.

Tell that to virus.

Do you even have any sense of the serious consequence risk of Covid for somebody below the age of 65 with normal/low blood pressure, better than acceptable blood lab reports, normal BMI, exceeding 150 minutes of elevated heart rate exercise per week, healthy diet, etc..? Rounded to a fraction of a whole number, it is still zero.

So, I won’t be having a “discussion with virus.”

The default to having more drugs is the polar opposite of normal. These vaccines are just that-drugs. I’ll take my chances on my own.

Plenty of dead people like that.

So the quote remains available: “Do you even have any sense of the serious consequence risk of Covid for somebody below the age of 65 with normal/low blood pressure, better than acceptable blood lab reports, normal BMI, exceeding 150 minutes of elevated heart rate exercise per week, healthy diet, etc..? Rounded to a fraction of a whole number, it is still zero.“

Do you have some evidence to back this up? The answer will be no. Maybe by plenty you mean some absurdly low number, maybe like 0.000000001% of infections or something silly like that. I’m more at risk riding a bike than I am at risk of dying of Covid by orders of magnitude.

Bud, i don't give rat's a$$ what you do. Your illness and even death is not worth a quarter to me. You talk a lot btw.

Then why did you respond?

The risk profile is directly germane to the question of whether people will continue to get boosters. Your dismissive attitude speaks volumes. And, you are making shit up about “plenty” of healthy people below 65 dying or having any significant complications, especially since omicron appeared. It’s just not true - boosted or not.

A normal person considering any medical intervention actually considers whether the juice is worth the squeeze. Crazy that thought.

Or maybe you can live in some weird deep web fueled alternative universe where Covid is some outsized risk.

In the District of Columbia, 30% of people who died of Covid were under 70%.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/what-share-of-people-who-have-died-of-covid-19-are-65-and-older-and-how-does-it-vary-by-state/

Well this is from July 2020, so we have that.

Here's data from April 2023. Looks like 24% of all deaths were under 65.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254488/us-share-of-total-covid-deaths-by-age-group/

Good thing I’m not even 50 yet. Perhaps I should mark myself safe on Facebook.

And none of this addresses what was wrong with any of those people before they got seriously ill.

You can twist and turn and hide under a rock all you want. Normal people are done worrying about Covid.

I'm not worrying about it, but I'm certainly getting another shot if it's offered. The idea that "no one who is healthy and/or under 65 is adversely affected by Covid" simply isn't true, and I'm calling you out on it. Do whatever you want with your own health.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why people are so weird about the covid shots. If my doc recommends I get another booster, I'll get the booster - just like I do the flu shot every year. Really not a big deal.

So you're one of the lucky ones who experience no side effects from the covid shots? Lucky you. It is a big deal, for those of us that get knocked out for 1-2 full days each time we get one of the shots.

And no, it's not "better than covid" because I've never had covid, ever.

This is dumb. I also have a strong reaction to the shots, and I still get them, because they're not actually bad for my health, whereas Covid is.

Covid is not bad for the health of anyone in decent health.

You do you, but most people recover just fine if/when they have covid.

This quite literally isn't true. My 13 year old nephew got Covid and now has long Covid. It has kept him out of school for weeks at a time, prevented him from playing with friends, and generally derailed his life. He had no comorbidities or chronic conditions prior to his illness. He is not malingering. No 13 year old boy wants to be in bed all the time.

PP, so sorry about your nephew. Was he vaccinated when he got COVID? I wish we had more data on this point.

He was not. He got sick in spring of 2020, in the first wave.

Ugh. That's heartbreaking. Is he local? I hope he is getting good treatment.

He's in the Philly area. I think he is getting good care and doing better than he was, but my blood boils when people claim that "Covid is not bad for anyone in decent health." I can't let that go without sharing about him.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why people are so weird about the covid shots. If my doc recommends I get another booster, I'll get the booster - just like I do the flu shot every year. Really not a big deal.

So you're one of the lucky ones who experience no side effects from the covid shots? Lucky you. It is a big deal, for those of us that get knocked out for 1-2 full days each time we get one of the shots.

And no, it's not "better than covid" because I've never had covid, ever.

This is dumb. I also have a strong reaction to the shots, and I still get them, because they're not actually bad for my health, whereas Covid is.

Covid is not bad for the health of anyone in decent health.

You do you, but most people recover just fine if/when they have covid.

This quite literally isn't true. My 13 year old nephew got Covid and now has long Covid. It has kept him out of school for weeks at a time, prevented him from playing with friends, and generally derailed his life. He had no comorbidities or chronic conditions prior to his illness. He is not malingering. No 13 year old boy wants to be in bed all the time.

PP, so sorry about your nephew. Was he vaccinated when he got COVID? I wish we had more data on this point.

He was not. He got sick in spring of 2020, in the first wave.

Ugh. That's heartbreaking. Is he local? I hope he is getting good treatment.

Different family member of long COVID patient here. There is a long COVID clinic at GW and MedStar has built out their PT program for it as well (all of my loved one's appts say "long COVID rehab" on them, for the deniers out there). But the reality is that the fatigue and the vascular regulation problems are very persistent, and there's no specific treatment for them, even when the treatment is "good."

If you live with or near this, it is much harder to tolerate the "COVID is over" crap--as hard as it is for people with post-polio to tolerate "polio is over," only maybe worse because we've had less practice.

There is also long vax with symptoms similar to long covid. Germany has outpatient centers for long vax and it is discussed in German state media. There has been much less discussion of it here, although that it is slowly beginning to change.
https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-link-between-coronavirus-vaccines-and-long-covid-illness-starts-gain-acceptance

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe I can distract you guys from the heat here because I have a few questions and a new topic will likely be locked. Feel free to flame away at me.

I guess we all agree that the trifecta happened because of isolation, and then sudden exposure to typical flu, new variant, and waned immunity against RSV.

Is the RSV vax a new and improved version? I ask because DS (20) had an RSV vax as a newborn. He never had RSV. Does he need another? I haven’t checked, but I think I had to get RSV vax before taking him home.

DS university was one of the only schools to require a 3rd covid booster by November 1, 2022. He requested a 3rd booster extension because he tested positive for covid the first and only time on August 10, 2022. Got 3rd booster over winter break. Then, poof no mandatory 3rd booster or daily vital checks when they came back for spring semester. Why would he need a 4th booster? I was pretty annoyed he was forced into a 3rd given he probably had decent immunity from having covid 3 months prior. Plus a friend napping in his bed for hours. He did wash bedding after they tested positive, as if that helped lol. Is there a new variant now? Or are they expecting one?

This will likely get some shade. Wasn’t there a disproportionate number of people who got covid soon after their boosters? I know quite a few. Naturally, the argument was that people let their guard down. I dunno. Seems a bit sus (as the kids say).

DH never had covid, but he’s now wearing a hearing aid in one ear after 1 J&J vax and 2nd Pfizer vax. He did get a Pfizer booster, but the vertigo and hearing loss happened 6 weeks after 2nd vax (before booster). Was it because of the mixed vaccines? He accepted that it wasn’t vax related, but I think it was.

TLDR: I think we’re done.

I’m not reading all that but to address your last point, I have had one each of J&J, Pfizer, and Moderna. No problems whatsoever. If you don’t think my anecdote is evidence of anything, then you better be saying the same about yours. I think you’re looking for excuses to distrust the vaccine and nothing will convince you otherwise. I really don’t care what you do and probably most people around you don’t care what you do either. COVID vaccines really brought out people’s underlying paranoia.