Aliens and the government

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The TL;DR

Grusch: Never saw anything. Heard people making claims. Everything Grusch said was second-hand, at best.

Fravor and Graves: Said they saw what they thought were weird objects first-hand, neither of them saw actual aliens, just weird things on screens or somewhere off in the distance, no evidence that they were extraterrestrial versus something else, just stuff that remains unexplained.

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Anonymous wrote:The TL;DR

Grusch: Never saw anything. Heard people making claims. Everything Grusch said was second-hand, at best.

Fravor and Graves: Said they saw what they thought were weird objects first-hand, neither of them saw actual aliens, just weird things on screens or somewhere off in the distance, no evidence that they were extraterrestrial versus something else, just stuff that remains unexplained.

yup and twitter is freaking out b/c ppl's tin foil hats are on too tight and they think little green men are all over the place

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No one else is. Obviously you believe this is all nonsense and given the lack of immediate evidence, that’s a rational choice to make.

But pretend for a second, if you will, that it is true that aliens are real, have been here, are here and we have their craft and some bodies (or body parts). If it were real, wouldn’t it be bizarre that no regular news media is touching this? That would be the story of the millennium to find out that aliens are real and have been here and there’s zero curiosity around it from regular media.

Because there is literally no direct evidence of this existing. No direct evidence, only things Grusche said he saw and heard from others. Yes, there's some grainy photos but with all the cell phones and satellites and other sensors that exist, why hasn't anyone produced better evidence in decades?

You don’t understand what’s happening at all here, do you.

You seem like a nut job conspiracy theorist

In what way? The PP who I said has no idea what’s going on said there “literally no direct evidence.” Well, duh. That’s what Grusch, Fravor and Graves want revealed. They’ve seen enough to be convinced and they think the American public is entitled to it as well. I’m really not sure how I am a nut job conspiracy theorist.

Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet says those three are legit and wants further info as well. https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4131211-ufos-are-the-story-of-the-century-wake-up-america/

You keep referencing evidence that other people claim to have seen first hand. That’s not direct evidence, even if the person was a general officer or intel analyst or pilot or whatnot

Dude, I can’t help you with your misunderstanding of this.

New poster and I think you might misunderstand. I think the PP is talking about direct evidence, not hearsay from what some dude saidhe heard from someone else. -AF Reserve pilot.

Mr. AF Reserve pilot: What do you think is being seen by so many pilots of different nationalities while in the air, or situations where fighter planes are scrambled to chase these things? Have you or any of your pilot buddies seen anything? Not saying they're aliens, but they're something.

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No one else is. Obviously you believe this is all nonsense and given the lack of immediate evidence, that’s a rational choice to make.

But pretend for a second, if you will, that it is true that aliens are real, have been here, are here and we have their craft and some bodies (or body parts). If it were real, wouldn’t it be bizarre that no regular news media is touching this? That would be the story of the millennium to find out that aliens are real and have been here and there’s zero curiosity around it from regular media.

Because there is literally no direct evidence of this existing. No direct evidence, only things Grusche said he saw and heard from others. Yes, there's some grainy photos but with all the cell phones and satellites and other sensors that exist, why hasn't anyone produced better evidence in decades?

You don’t understand what’s happening at all here, do you.

You seem like a nut job conspiracy theorist

In what way? The PP who I said has no idea what’s going on said there “literally no direct evidence.” Well, duh. That’s what Grusch, Fravor and Graves want revealed. They’ve seen enough to be convinced and they think the American public is entitled to it as well. I’m really not sure how I am a nut job conspiracy theorist.

Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet says those three are legit and wants further info as well. https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4131211-ufos-are-the-story-of-the-century-wake-up-america/

You keep referencing evidence that other people claim to have seen first hand. That’s not direct evidence, even if the person was a general officer or intel analyst or pilot or whatnot

Dude, I can’t help you with your misunderstanding of this.

New poster and I think you might misunderstand. I think the PP is talking about direct evidence, not hearsay from what some dude saidhe heard from someone else. -AF Reserve pilot.

Mr. AF Reserve pilot: What do you think is being seen by so many pilots of different nationalities while in the air, or situations where fighter planes are scrambled to chase these things? Have you or any of your pilot buddies seen anything? Not saying they're aliens, but they're something.

Yes and it's typically test and evaluations for things related to various special access programs.

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No one else is. Obviously you believe this is all nonsense and given the lack of immediate evidence, that’s a rational choice to make.

But pretend for a second, if you will, that it is true that aliens are real, have been here, are here and we have their craft and some bodies (or body parts). If it were real, wouldn’t it be bizarre that no regular news media is touching this? That would be the story of the millennium to find out that aliens are real and have been here and there’s zero curiosity around it from regular media.

Because there is literally no direct evidence of this existing. No direct evidence, only things Grusche said he saw and heard from others. Yes, there's some grainy photos but with all the cell phones and satellites and other sensors that exist, why hasn't anyone produced better evidence in decades?

You don’t understand what’s happening at all here, do you.

You seem like a nut job conspiracy theorist

In what way? The PP who I said has no idea what’s going on said there “literally no direct evidence.” Well, duh. That’s what Grusch, Fravor and Graves want revealed. They’ve seen enough to be convinced and they think the American public is entitled to it as well. I’m really not sure how I am a nut job conspiracy theorist.

Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet says those three are legit and wants further info as well. https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4131211-ufos-are-the-story-of-the-century-wake-up-america/

You keep referencing evidence that other people claim to have seen first hand. That’s not direct evidence, even if the person was a general officer or intel analyst or pilot or whatnot

Dude, I can’t help you with your misunderstanding of this.

New poster and I think you might misunderstand. I think the PP is talking about direct evidence, not hearsay from what some dude saidhe heard from someone else. -AF Reserve pilot.

Right. Grusch is saying the actual evidence exists and is being kept from the American people. The hearings are to get the actual evidence out (or rather to work toward that since it’s not like this is going to move at top speed). No one on this thread has claimed that Grusch presented actual evidence at the hearing.

You sound confused. You and/or others keep claiming this is likely and point to Grusch and Tim Gallaudett, but then say these people just claim there's more evidence if we look forward. There's just no evidence maybe there will be someday, but it's not there right now. I know a guy who thinks there's unicorns in NW. He might be right or he's just telling me random stuff.

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No one else is. Obviously you believe this is all nonsense and given the lack of immediate evidence, that’s a rational choice to make.

But pretend for a second, if you will, that it is true that aliens are real, have been here, are here and we have their craft and some bodies (or body parts). If it were real, wouldn’t it be bizarre that no regular news media is touching this? That would be the story of the millennium to find out that aliens are real and have been here and there’s zero curiosity around it from regular media.

Because there is literally no direct evidence of this existing. No direct evidence, only things Grusche said he saw and heard from others. Yes, there's some grainy photos but with all the cell phones and satellites and other sensors that exist, why hasn't anyone produced better evidence in decades?

You don’t understand what’s happening at all here, do you.

You seem like a nut job conspiracy theorist

In what way? The PP who I said has no idea what’s going on said there “literally no direct evidence.” Well, duh. That’s what Grusch, Fravor and Graves want revealed. They’ve seen enough to be convinced and they think the American public is entitled to it as well. I’m really not sure how I am a nut job conspiracy theorist.

Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet says those three are legit and wants further info as well. https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4131211-ufos-are-the-story-of-the-century-wake-up-america/

You keep referencing evidence that other people claim to have seen first hand. That’s not direct evidence, even if the person was a general officer or intel analyst or pilot or whatnot

Dude, I can’t help you with your misunderstanding of this.

New poster and I think you might misunderstand. I think the PP is talking about direct evidence, not hearsay from what some dude saidhe heard from someone else. -AF Reserve pilot.

Right. Grusch is saying the actual evidence exists and is being kept from the American people. The hearings are to get the actual evidence out (or rather to work toward that since it’s not like this is going to move at top speed). No one on this thread has claimed that Grusch presented actual evidence at the hearing.

You sound confused. You and/or others keep claiming this is likely and point to Grusch and Tim Gallaudett, but then say these people just claim there's more evidence if we look forward. There's just no evidence maybe there will be someday, but it's not there right now. I know a guy who thinks there's unicorns in NW. He might be right or he's just telling me random stuff.

Good grief, friend. I give up. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what has occurred here and you seem tied to keeping that misunderstanding so have at it. Even if there were aliens, I think any meaningful disclosure of that fact would be a long time coming.

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No one else is. Obviously you believe this is all nonsense and given the lack of immediate evidence, that’s a rational choice to make.

But pretend for a second, if you will, that it is true that aliens are real, have been here, are here and we have their craft and some bodies (or body parts). If it were real, wouldn’t it be bizarre that no regular news media is touching this? That would be the story of the millennium to find out that aliens are real and have been here and there’s zero curiosity around it from regular media.

Because there is literally no direct evidence of this existing. No direct evidence, only things Grusche said he saw and heard from others. Yes, there's some grainy photos but with all the cell phones and satellites and other sensors that exist, why hasn't anyone produced better evidence in decades?

You don’t understand what’s happening at all here, do you.

You seem like a nut job conspiracy theorist

In what way? The PP who I said has no idea what’s going on said there “literally no direct evidence.” Well, duh. That’s what Grusch, Fravor and Graves want revealed. They’ve seen enough to be convinced and they think the American public is entitled to it as well. I’m really not sure how I am a nut job conspiracy theorist.

Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet says those three are legit and wants further info as well. https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4131211-ufos-are-the-story-of-the-century-wake-up-america/

You keep referencing evidence that other people claim to have seen first hand. That’s not direct evidence, even if the person was a general officer or intel analyst or pilot or whatnot

Dude, I can’t help you with your misunderstanding of this.

New poster and I think you might misunderstand. I think the PP is talking about direct evidence, not hearsay from what some dude saidhe heard from someone else. -AF Reserve pilot.

Right. Grusch is saying the actual evidence exists and is being kept from the American people. The hearings are to get the actual evidence out (or rather to work toward that since it’s not like this is going to move at top speed). No one on this thread has claimed that Grusch presented actual evidence at the hearing.

You sound confused. You and/or others keep claiming this is likely and point to Grusch and Tim Gallaudett, but then say these people just claim there's more evidence if we look forward. There's just no evidence maybe there will be someday, but it's not there right now. I know a guy who thinks there's unicorns in NW. He might be right or he's just telling me random stuff.

Good grief, friend. I give up. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what has occurred here and you seem tied to keeping that misunderstanding so have at it. Even if there were aliens, I think any meaningful disclosure of that fact would be a long time coming.

What is pp misunderstanding? I think she’s saying there isn’t anything to disclose.

[Anonymous]

I’m glad all the doubters are being forced to confront this issue - as evidenced by this thread.

the evidence is building rapidly and within a few months, it’ll get real interesting.

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No one else is. Obviously you believe this is all nonsense and given the lack of immediate evidence, that’s a rational choice to make.

But pretend for a second, if you will, that it is true that aliens are real, have been here, are here and we have their craft and some bodies (or body parts). If it were real, wouldn’t it be bizarre that no regular news media is touching this? That would be the story of the millennium to find out that aliens are real and have been here and there’s zero curiosity around it from regular media.

Because there is literally no direct evidence of this existing. No direct evidence, only things Grusche said he saw and heard from others. Yes, there's some grainy photos but with all the cell phones and satellites and other sensors that exist, why hasn't anyone produced better evidence in decades?

You don’t understand what’s happening at all here, do you.

You seem like a nut job conspiracy theorist

In what way? The PP who I said has no idea what’s going on said there “literally no direct evidence.” Well, duh. That’s what Grusch, Fravor and Graves want revealed. They’ve seen enough to be convinced and they think the American public is entitled to it as well. I’m really not sure how I am a nut job conspiracy theorist.

Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet says those three are legit and wants further info as well. https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4131211-ufos-are-the-story-of-the-century-wake-up-america/

You keep referencing evidence that other people claim to have seen first hand. That’s not direct evidence, even if the person was a general officer or intel analyst or pilot or whatnot

Dude, I can’t help you with your misunderstanding of this.

New poster and I think you might misunderstand. I think the PP is talking about direct evidence, not hearsay from what some dude saidhe heard from someone else. -AF Reserve pilot.

Right. Grusch is saying the actual evidence exists and is being kept from the American people. The hearings are to get the actual evidence out (or rather to work toward that since it’s not like this is going to move at top speed). No one on this thread has claimed that Grusch presented actual evidence at the hearing.

You sound confused. You and/or others keep claiming this is likely and point to Grusch and Tim Gallaudett, but then say these people just claim there's more evidence if we look forward. There's just no evidence maybe there will be someday, but it's not there right now. I know a guy who thinks there's unicorns in NW. He might be right or he's just telling me random stuff.

Good grief, friend. I give up. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what has occurred here and you seem tied to keeping that misunderstanding so have at it. Even if there were aliens, I think any meaningful disclosure of that fact would be a long time coming.

What is pp misunderstanding? I think she’s saying there isn’t anything to disclose.

And how would they know that? Grusch is a whistleblower (one who actually went through the appropriate channels). This one hearing did not prove that anything exists, but it’s surreal that so many people (or the same one or two) say with complete confidence that there’s nothing there. Even though three men went public and were actually given a public hearing in Congress. Granted, the GOP’s obsession with weird hearings has probably devalued that a bit, but AOC and Rankin are taking this seriously as well.

I’ll also note that several of those same doubters have insulted me and liken the mere existence of alien life to unicorns? Does that seem like a thoughtful, intelligent person?

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No one else is. Obviously you believe this is all nonsense and given the lack of immediate evidence, that’s a rational choice to make.

But pretend for a second, if you will, that it is true that aliens are real, have been here, are here and we have their craft and some bodies (or body parts). If it were real, wouldn’t it be bizarre that no regular news media is touching this? That would be the story of the millennium to find out that aliens are real and have been here and there’s zero curiosity around it from regular media.

Because there is literally no direct evidence of this existing. No direct evidence, only things Grusche said he saw and heard from others. Yes, there's some grainy photos but with all the cell phones and satellites and other sensors that exist, why hasn't anyone produced better evidence in decades?

You don’t understand what’s happening at all here, do you.

You seem like a nut job conspiracy theorist

In what way? The PP who I said has no idea what’s going on said there “literally no direct evidence.” Well, duh. That’s what Grusch, Fravor and Graves want revealed. They’ve seen enough to be convinced and they think the American public is entitled to it as well. I’m really not sure how I am a nut job conspiracy theorist.

Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet says those three are legit and wants further info as well. https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4131211-ufos-are-the-story-of-the-century-wake-up-america/

You keep referencing evidence that other people claim to have seen first hand. That’s not direct evidence, even if the person was a general officer or intel analyst or pilot or whatnot

Dude, I can’t help you with your misunderstanding of this.

New poster and I think you might misunderstand. I think the PP is talking about direct evidence, not hearsay from what some dude saidhe heard from someone else. -AF Reserve pilot.

Right. Grusch is saying the actual evidence exists and is being kept from the American people. The hearings are to get the actual evidence out (or rather to work toward that since it’s not like this is going to move at top speed). No one on this thread has claimed that Grusch presented actual evidence at the hearing.

You sound confused. You and/or others keep claiming this is likely and point to Grusch and Tim Gallaudett, but then say these people just claim there's more evidence if we look forward. There's just no evidence maybe there will be someday, but it's not there right now. I know a guy who thinks there's unicorns in NW. He might be right or he's just telling me random stuff.

Good grief, friend. I give up. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what has occurred here and you seem tied to keeping that misunderstanding so have at it. Even if there were aliens, I think any meaningful disclosure of that fact would be a long time coming.

What is pp misunderstanding? I think she’s saying there isn’t anything to disclose.

And how would they know that? Grusch is a whistleblower (one who actually went through the appropriate channels). This one hearing did not prove that anything exists, but it’s surreal that so many people (or the same one or two) say with complete confidence that there’s nothing there. Even though three men went public and were actually given a public hearing in Congress. Granted, the GOP’s obsession with weird hearings has probably devalued that a bit, but AOC and Rankin are taking this seriously as well.

I’ll also note that several of those same doubters have insulted me and liken the mere existence of alien life to unicorns? Does that seem like a thoughtful, intelligent person?

Don’t take anonymous posters too seriously. AOC and Raskin are taking this seriously bc of defense acquisition waste, not aliens.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m glad all the doubters are being forced to confront this issue - as evidenced by this thread.

the evidence is building rapidly and within a few months, it’ll get real interesting.

Gee, Comet Ping Pong threads were long too. I am only here to better understand exactly where our educational system failed these believers. Lack of understanding of probability, no training in formal logic, or pure incapacity for critical reading.

[Anonymous]

I saw a ufo last week. It was a plane with a giant polar bear on its wing.

No wait, it was a Frontier flight from Charlotte.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a ufo last week. It was a plane with a giant polar bear on its wing.

No wait, it was a Frontier flight from Charlotte.

How certain are you? Because if you aren't 100% certain, it's a UFO.

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No one else is. Obviously you believe this is all nonsense and given the lack of immediate evidence, that’s a rational choice to make.

But pretend for a second, if you will, that it is true that aliens are real, have been here, are here and we have their craft and some bodies (or body parts). If it were real, wouldn’t it be bizarre that no regular news media is touching this? That would be the story of the millennium to find out that aliens are real and have been here and there’s zero curiosity around it from regular media.

Because there is literally no direct evidence of this existing. No direct evidence, only things Grusche said he saw and heard from others. Yes, there's some grainy photos but with all the cell phones and satellites and other sensors that exist, why hasn't anyone produced better evidence in decades?

You don’t understand what’s happening at all here, do you.

You seem like a nut job conspiracy theorist

In what way? The PP who I said has no idea what’s going on said there “literally no direct evidence.” Well, duh. That’s what Grusch, Fravor and Graves want revealed. They’ve seen enough to be convinced and they think the American public is entitled to it as well. I’m really not sure how I am a nut job conspiracy theorist.

Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet says those three are legit and wants further info as well. https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4131211-ufos-are-the-story-of-the-century-wake-up-america/

You keep referencing evidence that other people claim to have seen first hand. That’s not direct evidence, even if the person was a general officer or intel analyst or pilot or whatnot

Dude, I can’t help you with your misunderstanding of this.

New poster and I think you might misunderstand. I think the PP is talking about direct evidence, not hearsay from what some dude saidhe heard from someone else. -AF Reserve pilot.

Right. Grusch is saying the actual evidence exists and is being kept from the American people. The hearings are to get the actual evidence out (or rather to work toward that since it’s not like this is going to move at top speed). No one on this thread has claimed that Grusch presented actual evidence at the hearing.

You sound confused. You and/or others keep claiming this is likely and point to Grusch and Tim Gallaudett, but then say these people just claim there's more evidence if we look forward. There's just no evidence maybe there will be someday, but it's not there right now. I know a guy who thinks there's unicorns in NW. He might be right or he's just telling me random stuff.

Good grief, friend. I give up. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what has occurred here and you seem tied to keeping that misunderstanding so have at it. Even if there were aliens, I think any meaningful disclosure of that fact would be a long time coming.

What is pp misunderstanding? I think she’s saying there isn’t anything to disclose.

And how would they know that? Grusch is a whistleblower (one who actually went through the appropriate channels). This one hearing did not prove that anything exists, but it’s surreal that so many people (or the same one or two) say with complete confidence that there’s nothing there. Even though three men went public and were actually given a public hearing in Congress. Granted, the GOP’s obsession with weird hearings has probably devalued that a bit, but AOC and Rankin are taking this seriously as well.

I’ll also note that several of those same doubters have insulted me and liken the mere existence of alien life to unicorns? Does that seem like a thoughtful, intelligent person?

Because three people came forward to claim that someone else has potential evidence. That's the definition of hearsay.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a ufo last week. It was a plane with a giant polar bear on its wing.

No wait, it was a Frontier flight from Charlotte.

How certain are you? Because if you aren't 100% certain, it's a UFO.

I see stars and birds and planes in the sky. Not 100% certain it's one or the others. Are those UFOs?