Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies

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This will get worse. Affluent women will go to other states for their pregnancies and women will no resources will be stuck suffering the consequences as usual.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

An ectopic is not an abortion, in that the pregnancy is in the wrong place. Life of the mother comes first. Comparing this to an abortion due to not wanting to be pregnant is simply a way for those that believe abortion should be on demand for whatever reason to create a red herring. I have not seen an abortion law that’s passed that would deny you treatment for an ectopic pregnancy. I’ve seen idiots try though.

IEctopic PP here: my records indicate I had a medicated abortion. Period. Just because you don't want to call it an abortion doesn't mean that it wasn't one. An abortion is a termination of a pregnancy. Wanted, unwanted, doesn't matter. Same definition.
And if you think women aren't being denied treatment (say, with methotrexate like I had instead of needing to wait until til threat of tubal rupture requiring surgery), you are most certainly ill-informed.

Was it covered by insurance?

Let’s call it an abortion. One was to save the life of the mother. The other was unwanted and did not save the life of the mother.

My niece had a misdiagnosed ectopic and nearly died. That wasn’t because of republicans. It was because the urgent care place was incompetent.

Yes, mine was covered by insurance.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Here’s a good summary that talks about state laws. I don’t expect this PP to genuinely learn anything, but others might find the information useful or interesting. It looks like a few state laws do specifically exclude ectopic pregnancy from their definition of “abortion.” Oklahoma only counts it as an abortion if there’s electrical activity on a scan. Others don’t mention ectopic pregnancies one way or the other but that means in practice that ectopic pregnancy is included. (Apparently Missouri lawmakers proposed a law that explicitly makes treating an ectopic pregnancy into a felony, but the bill did not advance.)

https://www.insider.com/guides/health/reproductive-health/are-ectopic-pregnancy-abortions-banned?amp

From what I’ve read elsewhere, states with general bans are assumed to include ectopic pregnancy. At the same time, there’s usually an assumption that it would fit into “health or life of the mother” exceptions because of the extremely high threat of complications if the pregnancy is allowed to grow. But, aside from the bigger problem of doctors scared to act without truly clear threats, a few anti-abortion groups have argued that, because *occasionally* the embryo seems to be naturally absorbed back into the mother’s body without incident, ectopic pregnancies don’t represent a true medical threat.

There is no link to the actual law.

I'll make an attempt here...LMGTFY:

https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/111/Bill/SB1257.pdf

Note items (b) and (c) under section 2. Any abortion, no matter the reasoning, is considered a felony offense, and it is on the defendant to PROVE (affirmative defense) that the abortion was justified to save the life of the mother.
Also note that, in section 2, (a)(1), there is no reference to saving the life of the mother.

Additionally, here's an article about another bill being put forth by Republican Richard Briggs to try to clarify this so that doctors are not automatically criminally charged. It is being shelve because he's still trying to drum up sufficient support. Note that Tennessee Right to Life is fighting all of these potential modifications. They want no exceptions.
https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/02/28/abortion-physician-affirmative-defense-bill-on-hold/

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Here’s a good summary that talks about state laws. I don’t expect this PP to genuinely learn anything, but others might find the information useful or interesting. It looks like a few state laws do specifically exclude ectopic pregnancy from their definition of “abortion.” Oklahoma only counts it as an abortion if there’s electrical activity on a scan. Others don’t mention ectopic pregnancies one way or the other but that means in practice that ectopic pregnancy is included. (Apparently Missouri lawmakers proposed a law that explicitly makes treating an ectopic pregnancy into a felony, but the bill did not advance.)

https://www.insider.com/guides/health/reproductive-health/are-ectopic-pregnancy-abortions-banned?amp

From what I’ve read elsewhere, states with general bans are assumed to include ectopic pregnancy. At the same time, there’s usually an assumption that it would fit into “health or life of the mother” exceptions because of the extremely high threat of complications if the pregnancy is allowed to grow. But, aside from the bigger problem of doctors scared to act without truly clear threats, a few anti-abortion groups have argued that, because *occasionally* the embryo seems to be naturally absorbed back into the mother’s body without incident, ectopic pregnancies don’t represent a true medical threat.

There is no link to the actual law.

I'll make an attempt here...LMGTFY:

https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/111/Bill/SB1257.pdf

Note items (b) and (c) under section 2. Any abortion, no matter the reasoning, is considered a felony offense, and it is on the defendant to PROVE (affirmative defense) that the abortion was justified to save the life of the mother.
Also note that, in section 2, (a)(1), there is no reference to saving the life of the mother.

Additionally, here's an article about another bill being put forth by Republican Richard Briggs to try to clarify this so that doctors are not automatically criminally charged. It is being shelve because he's still trying to drum up sufficient support. Note that Tennessee Right to Life is fighting all of these potential modifications. They want no exceptions.
https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/02/28/abortion-physician-affirmative-defense-bill-on-hold/

Also, note that in section 2, part a, they define pregnancy as occurring from the point of fertilization, which for those of you who need a biology refresher, occurs PRIOR TO implantation. So, ladies, in Tennessee you're actually pregnant the moment that sperm penetrates the lining of the egg, before the embryo even implants in your uterine lining (or elsewhere, for ectopics)...which is news to me, and likely most people who know anything about the reproductive cycle.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Here’s a good summary that talks about state laws. I don’t expect this PP to genuinely learn anything, but others might find the information useful or interesting. It looks like a few state laws do specifically exclude ectopic pregnancy from their definition of “abortion.” Oklahoma only counts it as an abortion if there’s electrical activity on a scan. Others don’t mention ectopic pregnancies one way or the other but that means in practice that ectopic pregnancy is included. (Apparently Missouri lawmakers proposed a law that explicitly makes treating an ectopic pregnancy into a felony, but the bill did not advance.)

https://www.insider.com/guides/health/reproductive-health/are-ectopic-pregnancy-abortions-banned?amp

From what I’ve read elsewhere, states with general bans are assumed to include ectopic pregnancy. At the same time, there’s usually an assumption that it would fit into “health or life of the mother” exceptions because of the extremely high threat of complications if the pregnancy is allowed to grow. But, aside from the bigger problem of doctors scared to act without truly clear threats, a few anti-abortion groups have argued that, because *occasionally* the embryo seems to be naturally absorbed back into the mother’s body without incident, ectopic pregnancies don’t represent a true medical threat.

There is no link to the actual law.

I'll make an attempt here...LMGTFY:

https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/111/Bill/SB1257.pdf

Note items (b) and (c) under section 2. Any abortion, no matter the reasoning, is considered a felony offense, and it is on the defendant to PROVE (affirmative defense) that the abortion was justified to save the life of the mother.
Also note that, in section 2, (a)(1), there is no reference to saving the life of the mother.

Additionally, here's an article about another bill being put forth by Republican Richard Briggs to try to clarify this so that doctors are not automatically criminally charged. It is being shelve because he's still trying to drum up sufficient support. Note that Tennessee Right to Life is fighting all of these potential modifications. They want no exceptions.
https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/02/28/abortion-physician-affirmative-defense-bill-on-hold/

+1 Thank you and I will note that Briggs is the same Republican legislator quoted in the Nashville Scene article yesterday. How you all can yell “bUt wHeRe iS tHe lAw?” at us while completely ignoring how it is actually being interpreted by doctors and attorneys at one of the country’s leading hospitals as well as one of the guys that wrote it, I will just never understand.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Here’s a good summary that talks about state laws. I don’t expect this PP to genuinely learn anything, but others might find the information useful or interesting. It looks like a few state laws do specifically exclude ectopic pregnancy from their definition of “abortion.” Oklahoma only counts it as an abortion if there’s electrical activity on a scan. Others don’t mention ectopic pregnancies one way or the other but that means in practice that ectopic pregnancy is included. (Apparently Missouri lawmakers proposed a law that explicitly makes treating an ectopic pregnancy into a felony, but the bill did not advance.)

https://www.insider.com/guides/health/reproductive-health/are-ectopic-pregnancy-abortions-banned?amp

From what I’ve read elsewhere, states with general bans are assumed to include ectopic pregnancy. At the same time, there’s usually an assumption that it would fit into “health or life of the mother” exceptions because of the extremely high threat of complications if the pregnancy is allowed to grow. But, aside from the bigger problem of doctors scared to act without truly clear threats, a few anti-abortion groups have argued that, because *occasionally* the embryo seems to be naturally absorbed back into the mother’s body without incident, ectopic pregnancies don’t represent a true medical threat.

There is no link to the actual law.

I'll make an attempt here...LMGTFY:

https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/111/Bill/SB1257.pdf

Note items (b) and (c) under section 2. Any abortion, no matter the reasoning, is considered a felony offense, and it is on the defendant to PROVE (affirmative defense) that the abortion was justified to save the life of the mother.
Also note that, in section 2, (a)(1), there is no reference to saving the life of the mother.

Additionally, here's an article about another bill being put forth by Republican Richard Briggs to try to clarify this so that doctors are not automatically criminally charged. It is being shelve because he's still trying to drum up sufficient support. Note that Tennessee Right to Life is fighting all of these potential modifications. They want no exceptions.
https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/02/28/abortion-physician-affirmative-defense-bill-on-hold/

+1 Thank you and I will note that Briggs is the same Republican legislator quoted in the Nashville Scene article yesterday. How you all can yell “bUt wHeRe iS tHe lAw?” at us while completely ignoring how it is actually being interpreted by doctors and attorneys at one of the country’s leading hospitals as well as one of the guys that wrote it, I will just never understand.

He was pandering when he voted for the law and was shocked that his actions had consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Here’s a good summary that talks about state laws. I don’t expect this PP to genuinely learn anything, but others might find the information useful or interesting. It looks like a few state laws do specifically exclude ectopic pregnancy from their definition of “abortion.” Oklahoma only counts it as an abortion if there’s electrical activity on a scan. Others don’t mention ectopic pregnancies one way or the other but that means in practice that ectopic pregnancy is included. (Apparently Missouri lawmakers proposed a law that explicitly makes treating an ectopic pregnancy into a felony, but the bill did not advance.)

https://www.insider.com/guides/health/reproductive-health/are-ectopic-pregnancy-abortions-banned?amp

From what I’ve read elsewhere, states with general bans are assumed to include ectopic pregnancy. At the same time, there’s usually an assumption that it would fit into “health or life of the mother” exceptions because of the extremely high threat of complications if the pregnancy is allowed to grow. But, aside from the bigger problem of doctors scared to act without truly clear threats, a few anti-abortion groups have argued that, because *occasionally* the embryo seems to be naturally absorbed back into the mother’s body without incident, ectopic pregnancies don’t represent a true medical threat.

There is no link to the actual law.

I'll make an attempt here...LMGTFY:

https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/111/Bill/SB1257.pdf

Note items (b) and (c) under section 2. Any abortion, no matter the reasoning, is considered a felony offense, and it is on the defendant to PROVE (affirmative defense) that the abortion was justified to save the life of the mother.
RAlso note that, in section 2, (a)(1), there is no reference to saving the life of the mother.

Additionally, here's an article about another bill being put forth by Republican Richard Briggs to try to clarify this so that doctors are not automatically criminally charged. It is being shelve because he's still trying to drum up sufficient support. Note that Tennessee Right to Life is fighting all of these potential modifications. They want no exceptions.
https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/02/28/abortion-physician-affirmative-defense-bill-on-hold/

Also, note that in section 2, part a, they define pregnancy as occurring from the point of fertilization, which for those of you who need a biology refresher, occurs PRIOR TO implantation. So, ladies, in Tennessee you're actually pregnant the moment that sperm penetrates the lining of the egg, before the embryo even implants in your uterine lining (or elsewhere, for ectopics)...which is news to me, and likely most people who know anything about the reproductive cycle.

But but but I hit control-F for “ectopic” and the law doesn’t mention it so it must be OK! /sarcasm

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Here’s a good summary that talks about state laws. I don’t expect this PP to genuinely learn anything, but others might find the information useful or interesting. It looks like a few state laws do specifically exclude ectopic pregnancy from their definition of “abortion.” Oklahoma only counts it as an abortion if there’s electrical activity on a scan. Others don’t mention ectopic pregnancies one way or the other but that means in practice that ectopic pregnancy is included. (Apparently Missouri lawmakers proposed a law that explicitly makes treating an ectopic pregnancy into a felony, but the bill did not advance.)

https://www.insider.com/guides/health/reproductive-health/are-ectopic-pregnancy-abortions-banned?amp

From what I’ve read elsewhere, states with general bans are assumed to include ectopic pregnancy. At the same time, there’s usually an assumption that it would fit into “health or life of the mother” exceptions because of the extremely high threat of complications if the pregnancy is allowed to grow. But, aside from the bigger problem of doctors scared to act without truly clear threats, a few anti-abortion groups have argued that, because *occasionally* the embryo seems to be naturally absorbed back into the mother’s body without incident, ectopic pregnancies don’t represent a true medical threat.

There is no link to the actual law.

I'll make an attempt here...LMGTFY:

https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/111/Bill/SB1257.pdf

Note items (b) and (c) under section 2. Any abortion, no matter the reasoning, is considered a felony offense, and it is on the defendant to PROVE (affirmative defense) that the abortion was justified to save the life of the mother.
RAlso note that, in section 2, (a)(1), there is no reference to saving the life of the mother.

Additionally, here's an article about another bill being put forth by Republican Richard Briggs to try to clarify this so that doctors are not automatically criminally charged. It is being shelve because he's still trying to drum up sufficient support. Note that Tennessee Right to Life is fighting all of these potential modifications. They want no exceptions.
https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/02/28/abortion-physician-affirmative-defense-bill-on-hold/

Also, note that in section 2, part a, they define pregnancy as occurring from the point of fertilization, which for those of you who need a biology refresher, occurs PRIOR TO implantation. So, ladies, in Tennessee you're actually pregnant the moment that sperm penetrates the lining of the egg, before the embryo even implants in your uterine lining (or elsewhere, for ectopics)...which is news to me, and likely most people who know anything about the reproductive cycle.

But but but I hit control-F for “ectopic” and the law doesn’t mention it so it must be OK! /sarcasm

+1

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This will get worse. Affluent women will go to other states for their pregnancies and women will no resources will be stuck suffering the consequences as usual.

I would be willing to volunteer my time for blue state abortion clinics to screen out these women. There is enough demand from innocent people to keep any provider exceptionally busy that they don’t need to service the Serena Joys and their daughters to make ends meet.

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This will get worse. Affluent women will go to other states for their pregnancies and women will no resources will be stuck suffering the consequences as usual.

I would be willing to volunteer my time for blue state abortion clinics to screen out these women. There is enough demand from innocent people to keep any provider exceptionally busy that they don’t need to service the Serena Joys and their daughters to make ends meet.

Just saw you were referring to pregnancies. Yep, that can be worked around too. Can’t stop them from showing up at the ER in labor, but you can certainly keep them from establishing a regular relationship with their OB of choice. Happens every day for all kinds of reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Here’s a good summary that talks about state laws. I don’t expect this PP to genuinely learn anything, but others might find the information useful or interesting. It looks like a few state laws do specifically exclude ectopic pregnancy from their definition of “abortion.” Oklahoma only counts it as an abortion if there’s electrical activity on a scan. Others don’t mention ectopic pregnancies one way or the other but that means in practice that ectopic pregnancy is included. (Apparently Missouri lawmakers proposed a law that explicitly makes treating an ectopic pregnancy into a felony, but the bill did not advance.)

https://www.insider.com/guides/health/reproductive-health/are-ectopic-pregnancy-abortions-banned?amp

From what I’ve read elsewhere, states with general bans are assumed to include ectopic pregnancy. At the same time, there’s usually an assumption that it would fit into “health or life of the mother” exceptions because of the extremely high threat of complications if the pregnancy is allowed to grow. But, aside from the bigger problem of doctors scared to act without truly clear threats, a few anti-abortion groups have argued that, because *occasionally* the embryo seems to be naturally absorbed back into the mother’s body without incident, ectopic pregnancies don’t represent a true medical threat.

There is no link to the actual law.

I'll make an attempt here...LMGTFY:

https://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/111/Bill/SB1257.pdf

Note items (b) and (c) under section 2. Any abortion, no matter the reasoning, is considered a felony offense, and it is on the defendant to PROVE (affirmative defense) that the abortion was justified to save the life of the mother.
Also note that, in section 2, (a)(1), there is no reference to saving the life of the mother.

Additionally, here's an article about another bill being put forth by Republican Richard Briggs to try to clarify this so that doctors are not automatically criminally charged. It is being shelve because he's still trying to drum up sufficient support. Note that Tennessee Right to Life is fighting all of these potential modifications. They want no exceptions.
https://tennesseelookout.com/2023/02/28/abortion-physician-affirmative-defense-bill-on-hold/

Also, note that in section 2, part a, they define pregnancy as occurring from the point of fertilization, which for those of you who need a biology refresher, occurs PRIOR TO implantation. So, ladies, in Tennessee you're actually pregnant the moment that sperm penetrates the lining of the egg, before the embryo even implants in your uterine lining (or elsewhere, for ectopics)...which is news to me, and likely most people who know anything about the reproductive cycle.

Medical science still defines pregnancy as beginning at implantation, but the issue has been so influenced by religion and politics that it’s become divisive. I saw a study from about 20 years ago where they surveyed OB/Gyns with the question of pregnancy begins, and they were fairly evenly divided between implantation, fertilization, and “I have no idea.” The most important factor was the doctor’s views on abortion (which overlapped with the factors of religion and political views), not anything about actual medical practice.

I’ve ALSO seen studies that suggest the majority of fertilized eggs never become living newborn babies. Most of those are lost before implantation. The miscarriage rate is also higher than most people realize, but these fertilized-egg happen before the woman usually even realizes that fertilization ever took place. So for everyone who wants to treasure each fertilization egg as a human, they need to start dealing with the fact that most of those humans will never be born regardless of what medical interventions do or do not happen. Human reproduction is actually pretty relentless at getting rid of any fertilized eggs that might not be genetically strong.

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Men in government and medicine do not care about the high maternal death rate in the US. They won’t care until their wife or daughter dies. Strike that. They will never care.

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Anonymous wrote:Men in government and medicine do not care about the high maternal death rate in the US. They won’t care until their wife or daughter dies. Strike that. They will never care.

Every dead wife is an opportunity to get a younger, prettier wife. Just as the founding fathers went through wives.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Men in government and medicine do not care about the high maternal death rate in the US. They won’t care until their wife or daughter dies. Strike that. They will never care.

Every dead wife is an opportunity to get a younger, prettier wife. Just as the founding fathers went through wives.

I think this is what a lot of republican men are betting on..

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares you guys. Schools full of shot-dead children, women suffering the difficulties of pregnancy, eventual deaths. They don't care. It will be another "thoughts and prayers". This is our culture of SOME lives matter. Just get used to it. Get a long term BC solution for yourself and your loved ones while you can.

Make sure you and your daughters have passports and the means saved to travel to first-world countries if you need medical care. Canada has already said they will provide care to American women, but Europe had been the destination of choice pre-Roe.