Anti-abortion laws cause ID hospital to stop delivering babies

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

An ectopic is not an abortion, in that the pregnancy is in the wrong place. Life of the mother comes first. Comparing this to an abortion due to not wanting to be pregnant is simply a way for those that believe abortion should be on demand for whatever reason to create a red herring. I have not seen an abortion law that’s passed that would deny you treatment for an ectopic pregnancy. I’ve seen idiots try though.

IEctopic PP here: my records indicate I had a medicated abortion. Period. Just because you don't want to call it an abortion doesn't mean that it wasn't one. An abortion is a termination of a pregnancy. Wanted, unwanted, doesn't matter. Same definition.
And if you think women aren't being denied treatment (say, with methotrexate like I had instead of needing to wait until til threat of tubal rupture requiring surgery), you are most certainly ill-informed.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Here’s a good summary that talks about state laws. I don’t expect this PP to genuinely learn anything, but others might find the information useful or interesting. It looks like a few state laws do specifically exclude ectopic pregnancy from their definition of “abortion.” Oklahoma only counts it as an abortion if there’s electrical activity on a scan. Others don’t mention ectopic pregnancies one way or the other but that means in practice that ectopic pregnancy is included. (Apparently Missouri lawmakers proposed a law that explicitly makes treating an ectopic pregnancy into a felony, but the bill did not advance.)

https://www.insider.com/guides/health/reproductive-health/are-ectopic-pregnancy-abortions-banned?amp

From what I’ve read elsewhere, states with general bans are assumed to include ectopic pregnancy. At the same time, there’s usually an assumption that it would fit into “health or life of the mother” exceptions because of the extremely high threat of complications if the pregnancy is allowed to grow. But, aside from the bigger problem of doctors scared to act without truly clear threats, a few anti-abortion groups have argued that, because *occasionally* the embryo seems to be naturally absorbed back into the mother’s body without incident, ectopic pregnancies don’t represent a true medical threat.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Tennessee’s ban on abortions became law after the Supreme Court’s Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision in June, when a new majority on the court overturned abortion protections enshrined by Roe v. Wade nearly a half-century earlier. The state’s so-called “trigger law,” enacted in 2019, banned all versions of the procedure. And unfortunately for Sarah, the law kicked in just days before she arrived in the emergency room.

Vanderbilt’s lawyers were grappling with language that made providing an abortion a class C felony and subject to both a $10,000 fine and significant prison time. There was a provision for doctors to act, but they were required to make an affirmative defense to prosecution — i.e., they had to admit that they were in violation of the law, but that the mother’s life would be in jeopardy if they did not perform the abortion.

Indeed, inserted into Sarah’s charts are roughly 20 paragraphs of language detailing measures that Vanderbilt doctors had taken in order to provide a legal rationale for an abortion. According to Lipsitz, the area’s hospitals had begun preparing for just this kind of eventuality in June because ectopic pregnancies are not uncommon. An estimated 1 to 2 percent of all pregnancies are ectopic, meaning that in a state like Tennessee — which had 78,689 births in 2020 — somewhere between 780 and 1,570 women per year deal with a situation similar to Sarah’s.

Some lawmakers are beginning to express regret at passing a law that includes no exceptions for rape or incest and places the burden on doctors to defend their actions. Some voted for the law never expecting that it would be put in place, including state Sen. Richard Briggs (R-Knoxville).

“Here, the defendant is guilty until he can prove that he’s not guilty,” said Briggs, a Republican and retired heart surgeon, in an interview with ProPublica in November. “In my opinion, that is a very bad position to put the doctors in — why should this doctor have to pay his own legal bills for saving a woman’s life?”
https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/citylimits/sarah-needed-an-abortion-her-doctors-needed-lawyers/article_472a621e-7fdb-11ed-bf8d-0797b6012be2.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

“Some lawmakers voted for the law never expecting that it would be put in place”??? I don’t even know where to start….

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Tennessee’s ban on abortions became law after the Supreme Court’s Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision in June, when a new majority on the court overturned abortion protections enshrined by Roe v. Wade nearly a half-century earlier. The state’s so-called “trigger law,” enacted in 2019, banned all versions of the procedure. And unfortunately for Sarah, the law kicked in just days before she arrived in the emergency room.

Vanderbilt’s lawyers were grappling with language that made providing an abortion a class C felony and subject to both a $10,000 fine and significant prison time. There was a provision for doctors to act, but they were required to make an affirmative defense to prosecution — i.e., they had to admit that they were in violation of the law, but that the mother’s life would be in jeopardy if they did not perform the abortion.

Indeed, inserted into Sarah’s charts are roughly 20 paragraphs of language detailing measures that Vanderbilt doctors had taken in order to provide a legal rationale for an abortion. According to Lipsitz, the area’s hospitals had begun preparing for just this kind of eventuality in June because ectopic pregnancies are not uncommon. An estimated 1 to 2 percent of all pregnancies are ectopic, meaning that in a state like Tennessee — which had 78,689 births in 2020 — somewhere between 780 and 1,570 women per year deal with a situation similar to Sarah’s.

Some lawmakers are beginning to express regret at passing a law that includes no exceptions for rape or incest and places the burden on doctors to defend their actions. Some voted for the law never expecting that it would be put in place, including state Sen. Richard Briggs (R-Knoxville).

“Here, the defendant is guilty until he can prove that he’s not guilty,” said Briggs, a Republican and retired heart surgeon, in an interview with ProPublica in November. “In my opinion, that is a very bad position to put the doctors in — why should this doctor have to pay his own legal bills for saving a woman’s life?”
https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/citylimits/sarah-needed-an-abortion-her-doctors-needed-lawyers/article_472a621e-7fdb-11ed-bf8d-0797b6012be2.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

You can’t read. I said show me the law.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Tennessee’s ban on abortions became law after the Supreme Court’s Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision in June, when a new majority on the court overturned abortion protections enshrined by Roe v. Wade nearly a half-century earlier. The state’s so-called “trigger law,” enacted in 2019, banned all versions of the procedure. And unfortunately for Sarah, the law kicked in just days before she arrived in the emergency room.

Vanderbilt’s lawyers were grappling with language that made providing an abortion a class C felony and subject to both a $10,000 fine and significant prison time. There was a provision for doctors to act, but they were required to make an affirmative defense to prosecution — i.e., they had to admit that they were in violation of the law, but that the mother’s life would be in jeopardy if they did not perform the abortion.

Indeed, inserted into Sarah’s charts are roughly 20 paragraphs of language detailing measures that Vanderbilt doctors had taken in order to provide a legal rationale for an abortion. According to Lipsitz, the area’s hospitals had begun preparing for just this kind of eventuality in June because ectopic pregnancies are not uncommon. An estimated 1 to 2 percent of all pregnancies are ectopic, meaning that in a state like Tennessee — which had 78,689 births in 2020 — somewhere between 780 and 1,570 women per year deal with a situation similar to Sarah’s.

Some lawmakers are beginning to express regret at passing a law that includes no exceptions for rape or incest and places the burden on doctors to defend their actions. Some voted for the law never expecting that it would be put in place, including state Sen. Richard Briggs (R-Knoxville).

“Here, the defendant is guilty until he can prove that he’s not guilty,” said Briggs, a Republican and retired heart surgeon, in an interview with ProPublica in November. “In my opinion, that is a very bad position to put the doctors in — why should this doctor have to pay his own legal bills for saving a woman’s life?”
https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/citylimits/sarah-needed-an-abortion-her-doctors-needed-lawyers/article_472a621e-7fdb-11ed-bf8d-0797b6012be2.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

You can’t read. I said show me the law.

I can read and you should read this. It’s a fount of information including from one of the lawmakers that passed the dumb law that prohibits abortion at all stages of pregnancy without an exception for ectopic pregnancies, and from the doctors who need to interpret that dumb law that prohibits abortion at all stages of pregnancy without an exception for ectopic pregnancies. You can find all of Tennessee’s dumb laws on this issue at TENN. CODE ANN. § 39-15 between 200 and 216. But you won’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Tennessee’s ban on abortions became law after the Supreme Court’s Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision in June, when a new majority on the court overturned abortion protections enshrined by Roe v. Wade nearly a half-century earlier. The state’s so-called “trigger law,” enacted in 2019, banned all versions of the procedure. And unfortunately for Sarah, the law kicked in just days before she arrived in the emergency room.

Vanderbilt’s lawyers were grappling with language that made providing an abortion a class C felony and subject to both a $10,000 fine and significant prison time. There was a provision for doctors to act, but they were required to make an affirmative defense to prosecution — i.e., they had to admit that they were in violation of the law, but that the mother’s life would be in jeopardy if they did not perform the abortion.

Indeed, inserted into Sarah’s charts are roughly 20 paragraphs of language detailing measures that Vanderbilt doctors had taken in order to provide a legal rationale for an abortion. According to Lipsitz, the area’s hospitals had begun preparing for just this kind of eventuality in June because ectopic pregnancies are not uncommon. An estimated 1 to 2 percent of all pregnancies are ectopic, meaning that in a state like Tennessee — which had 78,689 births in 2020 — somewhere between 780 and 1,570 women per year deal with a situation similar to Sarah’s.

Some lawmakers are beginning to express regret at passing a law that includes no exceptions for rape or incest and places the burden on doctors to defend their actions. Some voted for the law never expecting that it would be put in place, including state Sen. Richard Briggs (R-Knoxville).

“Here, the defendant is guilty until he can prove that he’s not guilty,” said Briggs, a Republican and retired heart surgeon, in an interview with ProPublica in November. “In my opinion, that is a very bad position to put the doctors in — why should this doctor have to pay his own legal bills for saving a woman’s life?”
https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/citylimits/sarah-needed-an-abortion-her-doctors-needed-lawyers/article_472a621e-7fdb-11ed-bf8d-0797b6012be2.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

“Some lawmakers voted for the law never expecting that it would be put in place”??? I don’t even know where to start….

It was a trigger ban, virtue signaling from the Republican state legislators who got elected in the Republican wave years the 2010s. They never expected them to pass because none of them actually thought Roe would be overturned.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Tennessee’s ban on abortions became law after the Supreme Court’s Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision in June, when a new majority on the court overturned abortion protections enshrined by Roe v. Wade nearly a half-century earlier. The state’s so-called “trigger law,” enacted in 2019, banned all versions of the procedure. And unfortunately for Sarah, the law kicked in just days before she arrived in the emergency room.

Vanderbilt’s lawyers were grappling with language that made providing an abortion a class C felony and subject to both a $10,000 fine and significant prison time. There was a provision for doctors to act, but they were required to make an affirmative defense to prosecution — i.e., they had to admit that they were in violation of the law, but that the mother’s life would be in jeopardy if they did not perform the abortion.

Indeed, inserted into Sarah’s charts are roughly 20 paragraphs of language detailing measures that Vanderbilt doctors had taken in order to provide a legal rationale for an abortion. According to Lipsitz, the area’s hospitals had begun preparing for just this kind of eventuality in June because ectopic pregnancies are not uncommon. An estimated 1 to 2 percent of all pregnancies are ectopic, meaning that in a state like Tennessee — which had 78,689 births in 2020 — somewhere between 780 and 1,570 women per year deal with a situation similar to Sarah’s.

Some lawmakers are beginning to express regret at passing a law that includes no exceptions for rape or incest and places the burden on doctors to defend their actions. Some voted for the law never expecting that it would be put in place, including state Sen. Richard Briggs (R-Knoxville).

“Here, the defendant is guilty until he can prove that he’s not guilty,” said Briggs, a Republican and retired heart surgeon, in an interview with ProPublica in November. “In my opinion, that is a very bad position to put the doctors in — why should this doctor have to pay his own legal bills for saving a woman’s life?”
https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/citylimits/sarah-needed-an-abortion-her-doctors-needed-lawyers/article_472a621e-7fdb-11ed-bf8d-0797b6012be2.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

You can’t read. I said show me the law.

The law is written such that a doctor has to prove that the abortion was medically necessary to save the mother’s life after the fact. Instead of a presumption of innocence, there’s a presumption of guilt. The doctor is presumed guilty of the crime of performing an abortion, then has to prove that it was necessary to save the mother’s life. This is in ALL cases. Including an ectopic, sepsis, hemorrhage, etc.
You don’t see something inherently wrong in this?? Even one of the Republican supporters, himself a doctor, is now speaking out against it.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Tennessee’s ban on abortions became law after the Supreme Court’s Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision in June, when a new majority on the court overturned abortion protections enshrined by Roe v. Wade nearly a half-century earlier. The state’s so-called “trigger law,” enacted in 2019, banned all versions of the procedure. And unfortunately for Sarah, the law kicked in just days before she arrived in the emergency room.

Vanderbilt’s lawyers were grappling with language that made providing an abortion a class C felony and subject to both a $10,000 fine and significant prison time. There was a provision for doctors to act, but they were required to make an affirmative defense to prosecution — i.e., they had to admit that they were in violation of the law, but that the mother’s life would be in jeopardy if they did not perform the abortion.

Indeed, inserted into Sarah’s charts are roughly 20 paragraphs of language detailing measures that Vanderbilt doctors had taken in order to provide a legal rationale for an abortion. According to Lipsitz, the area’s hospitals had begun preparing for just this kind of eventuality in June because ectopic pregnancies are not uncommon. An estimated 1 to 2 percent of all pregnancies are ectopic, meaning that in a state like Tennessee — which had 78,689 births in 2020 — somewhere between 780 and 1,570 women per year deal with a situation similar to Sarah’s.

Some lawmakers are beginning to express regret at passing a law that includes no exceptions for rape or incest and places the burden on doctors to defend their actions. Some voted for the law never expecting that it would be put in place, including state Sen. Richard Briggs (R-Knoxville).

“Here, the defendant is guilty until he can prove that he’s not guilty,” said Briggs, a Republican and retired heart surgeon, in an interview with ProPublica in November. “In my opinion, that is a very bad position to put the doctors in — why should this doctor have to pay his own legal bills for saving a woman’s life?”
https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/citylimits/sarah-needed-an-abortion-her-doctors-needed-lawyers/article_472a621e-7fdb-11ed-bf8d-0797b6012be2.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

“Some lawmakers voted for the law never expecting that it would be put in place”??? I don’t even know where to start….

It was a trigger ban, virtue signaling from the Republican state legislators who got elected in the Republican wave years the 2010s. They never expected them to pass because none of them actually thought Roe would be overturned.

And now they’re scrambling for a new wedge issue. So they’re back to the borders and “woke!”. Not half as powerful though, I’m sure they’re upset about Roe being overturned. Terrible strategy.

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No one cares you guys. Schools full of shot-dead children, women suffering the difficulties of pregnancy, eventual deaths. They don't care. It will be another "thoughts and prayers". This is our culture of SOME lives matter. Just get used to it. Get a long term BC solution for yourself and your loved ones while you can.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

In Virginia plenty, if not all OBGYNs perform D&Cs, for missed abortions, plenty of OBGYNs perform abortions in clinics, they also provide a multitude of other services not just abortion care.

Get your facts straight, this level of stupidity and ignorance, which has, was and always will be taken advantage of by much smarter/manipulative people with really dark agendas-is why we are all in this messiness.

Moralizing a medical procedure is where it started and ended. Good abortion vs. bad abortion > vs < you don’t deserve one < but I do, that’s is a bad doctor. versus < a good doctor, good women > bad women, reasoning shouldn’t have even been allowed to take hold. Abortion rights should have been protected = period. The why was never my business.

What institution wants to have to navigate or micromanage good doctors/bad doctors, good women/bad women, good abortiion/bad abortion. Who wants to go to jail? Loose their livelihood because a vocal minority with too much power was able to inflict their whimsy on another group of vocal people too intellectually lazy to even try figure anything out for themselves. So the dog caught the car, now what fido?

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

An ectopic is not an abortion, in that the pregnancy is in the wrong place. Life of the mother comes first. Comparing this to an abortion due to not wanting to be pregnant is simply a way for those that believe abortion should be on demand for whatever reason to create a red herring. I have not seen an abortion law that’s passed that would deny you treatment for an ectopic pregnancy. I’ve seen idiots try though.

IEctopic PP here: my records indicate I had a medicated abortion. Period. Just because you don't want to call it an abortion doesn't mean that it wasn't one. An abortion is a termination of a pregnancy. Wanted, unwanted, doesn't matter. Same definition.
And if you think women aren't being denied treatment (say, with methotrexate like I had instead of needing to wait until til threat of tubal rupture requiring surgery), you are most certainly ill-informed.

Was it covered by insurance?

Let’s call it an abortion. One was to save the life of the mother. The other was unwanted and did not save the life of the mother.

My niece had a misdiagnosed ectopic and nearly died. That wasn’t because of republicans. It was because the urgent care place was incompetent.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

An ectopic is not an abortion, in that the pregnancy is in the wrong place. Life of the mother comes first. Comparing this to an abortion due to not wanting to be pregnant is simply a way for those that believe abortion should be on demand for whatever reason to create a red herring. I have not seen an abortion law that’s passed that would deny you treatment for an ectopic pregnancy. I’ve seen idiots try though.

IEctopic PP here: my records indicate I had a medicated abortion. Period. Just because you don't want to call it an abortion doesn't mean that it wasn't one. An abortion is a termination of a pregnancy. Wanted, unwanted, doesn't matter. Same definition.
And if you think women aren't being denied treatment (say, with methotrexate like I had instead of needing to wait until til threat of tubal rupture requiring surgery), you are most certainly ill-informed.

Was it covered by insurance?

Let’s call it an abortion. One was to save the life of the mother. The other was unwanted and did not save the life of the mother.

My niece had a misdiagnosed ectopic and nearly died. That wasn’t because of republicans. It was because the urgent care place was incompetent.

DP.. that's terrible for your niece, but that has nothing to do with the topic. An ectopic pregnancy requires an abortion. You can call it whatever you want. But, it's an abortion.

Some of you are purposefully being obtuse (stupid). The ban on abortion is causing ob/gyns and pediatricians to leave the hospital. The end (of prenatal and neonatal care in that town in ID). MAGA /s

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

Which state bans treatment for ectopic pregnancies? Show me the law, not a “what-if” opinion piece. I’ll wait.

Here’s a good summary that talks about state laws. I don’t expect this PP to genuinely learn anything, but others might find the information useful or interesting. It looks like a few state laws do specifically exclude ectopic pregnancy from their definition of “abortion.” Oklahoma only counts it as an abortion if there’s electrical activity on a scan. Others don’t mention ectopic pregnancies one way or the other but that means in practice that ectopic pregnancy is included. (Apparently Missouri lawmakers proposed a law that explicitly makes treating an ectopic pregnancy into a felony, but the bill did not advance.)

https://www.insider.com/guides/health/reproductive-health/are-ectopic-pregnancy-abortions-banned?amp

From what I’ve read elsewhere, states with general bans are assumed to include ectopic pregnancy. At the same time, there’s usually an assumption that it would fit into “health or life of the mother” exceptions because of the extremely high threat of complications if the pregnancy is allowed to grow. But, aside from the bigger problem of doctors scared to act without truly clear threats, a few anti-abortion groups have argued that, because *occasionally* the embryo seems to be naturally absorbed back into the mother’s body without incident, ectopic pregnancies don’t represent a true medical threat.

There is no link to the actual law.

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, the prolifers have pushed out obgyns and pediatricians from hospitals due to the restrictive abortion laws, and the hospital will no longer deliver babies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

An Idaho hospital has planned to stop delivering babies, with the medical center’s managers citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major reasons.

Bonner General Health, the only hospital in Sandpoint, Idaho, announced on Friday that it would no longer provide labor, delivery and a host of other obstetrical services.

The more than 9,000 residents of Sandpoint are now forced to drive 46 miles for the nearest labor and delivery care, the Idaho Statesman reported.

Will we see more such cases all over these anti-abortion states?

How does this relate? In Virginia, no OBGYN ever would perform an abortion, they would refer you to PP. I don't see why this would have any effect on regular OBGYN practice.

I live in Virginia. My OBGYN performed my abortion (several shots of methotrexate for an ectopic). Of course I wasn't referred to PP.

Because it was ectopic. You don’t see the difference?

You do know that several red states are not allowing exceptions for ectopic pregnancies, right?

Lucky for the PP, SCOTUS hadn't overturned R v W in 2018 when they needed abortion.

I never had or would have an abortion

I'm the PP who had the ectopic. It was a VERY much wanted pregnancy (FET). It would have killed me, and left my older DD motherless.
You'd rather die?

An ectopic is not an abortion, in that the pregnancy is in the wrong place. Life of the mother comes first. Comparing this to an abortion due to not wanting to be pregnant is simply a way for those that believe abortion should be on demand for whatever reason to create a red herring. I have not seen an abortion law that’s passed that would deny you treatment for an ectopic pregnancy. I’ve seen idiots try though.

IEctopic PP here: my records indicate I had a medicated abortion. Period. Just because you don't want to call it an abortion doesn't mean that it wasn't one. An abortion is a termination of a pregnancy. Wanted, unwanted, doesn't matter. Same definition.
And if you think women aren't being denied treatment (say, with methotrexate like I had instead of needing to wait until til threat of tubal rupture requiring surgery), you are most certainly ill-informed.

Was it covered by insurance?

Let’s call it an abortion. One was to save the life of the mother. The other was unwanted and did not save the life of the mother.

My niece had a misdiagnosed ectopic and nearly died. That wasn’t because of republicans. It was because the urgent care place was incompetent.

So you understand what can happen to women if they’re not properly treated when there’s an ectopic pregnancy. But instead of trying to prevent other women from facing that, you’re voting to create danger for more women. Now when women are faced with ectopic pregnancies in some states, they won’t be able to receive the easiest and least invasive treatment. They’ll have to wait until they need life saving treatment, possibly losing their fertility, racking up medical bills that could ruin people financially, and possibly dying. That IS because of Republicans. It’s their stupid and cruel laws, and it’s the fault of people who vote for them knowing they want to pass these laws. I don’t understand why they think killing women is better than legalized abortion, other than the obvious which is they don’t value women.