Alec Baldwin now charged with involuntary manslaughter by New Mexico authorities
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Anonymous
Yes that was absurd. Of all days… it appears she went in and out multiple times for maximum exposure. She really can’t help herself and has some serious personality disorder. I also noticed she blinged herself out for the 7am walk about. Random detail but I noticed how she left her jacket unzipped for the walk to and from the car. Call it a petty detail but I don’t know any mom at early morning school run who runs around with their breasts peeking over their shirt like that and jacket unzipped. You keep some things a little more private. It just indicates some weird attention seeking behavior to me. |
Anonymous
PP you replied to. You misinterpret what I wrote. I want him charged. Because he killed someone. Not charging would be in defiance of all logic, law and morality. But as you said, maybe he will not be found guilty. That will be up to the justice system to determine. I think there is a grey area in terms of responsibility - how much is on the actor to check the gun, and how much is on the armorer whose job it is to make guns safe? I feel that it's the armorer's responsibility more than the actor's. But the actor is responsible too. And in this case, the actor killed someone. So it's tricky. I will repeat that I hope the armorer gets serious consequences - she seems utterly unqualified and irresponsible. It behoves all armorers on film sets to be more vigilant after this case. I don't want to put added burden on actors to constantly have to worry about whether the gun they're waving about it going to shoot and kill someone. If Baldwin gets off, I won't cry. If he gets minimum sentencing, I won't cry either. He will not get more than the minimum, because that would be distinctly unfair. |
Anonymous
Right. Let's stop hating on this woman, shall we? Jeff recently commented that Hilaria Baldwin triggered the most comments of any DCUM threads, of all time. I don't know why she riles you up like that, but you need to step back and just let her be, warts and all. I can tell from here you're not perfect either, PP! |
Anonymous
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He isn't charged based on his producer status. It is irrelevant.
The charge is incorrect and will be successfully defended. |
Anonymous
| I dislike Alec Baldwin. But that doesn’t mean he should Be charged with manslaughter. Remember when Brandon Lee was killed on set? I don’t believe anyone went to jail. |
Anonymous
I agree. This will be the result. But the AZ DA gets a lot of attention for charging Baldwin, who can afford the very best defense attorneys. He will be acquitted if it ever gets to trial, which I doubt. |
Anonymous
They investigated for a really long time. Clearly, they think they have a strong case. |
Anonymous
| I was recently at a gun range and a sign clearly said it was illegal to aim a gun at someone. I assume that’s what the prosecutor meant when she said it didn’t matter what’s protocol in Hollywood, that actual laws applied here. |
Anonymous
Agree. |
Anonymous
Some people are famous primarily for their ability to rile people. Hilaria is reliant on her haters for her fame-- she is infamous. Otherwise she's an irrelevant celebrity wife. She knows this and actively foments controversy. This case will be interesting for both what happens in the courtroom and also how Hilaria uses it to enlarge her audience. |
Anonymous
Agree with this. They charged him with the lowest felony for this. It makes the point that no one can claim zero responsibility if they fire a gun at someone. |
Anonymous
It's almost like it was irresponsible to fire a gun, given all that, right? |
Anonymous
This is a pretty serious question. Who brought live rounds onto the set? Who put them into the gun? The likely answer is that the supplier of the supposedly dummy bullets was sloppy and mixed live rounds with dummy bullets. The more sinister answer is that someone on set was trying to sabotage the production, and that person mixed live rounds in with dummy bullets. But for the sinister hypothesis to be true, the person who mixed the live rounds with dummy bullets had to have been familiar with guns. I go with theory #1, but stranger things have happened, and the chances that it's theory #2 is not zero, although it's pretty close, IMHO. I think the DA is grandstanding. Baldwin, as a producer, does bear some responsibility for lax safety on the set, but does that add up to manslaughter? There must be a lesser charge he can plea to, a misdemeanor. But even so, I think he'll walk. He will not be convicted if this case ever gets before a jury. The armorer, however, is probably looking at jail time. She's only 25, but if she took the job, it was her responsibility to perform it correctly. The AD who called "cold gun" took a plea, so he'll never work in film again. Because it was a completely preventable tragedy, someone will pay. I think all the producers will pay some sort of fine, and that makes sense to me. But manslaughter is a high bar, and I doubt they have the evidence to convict Baldwin. |
Anonymous
That’s not what the article says. In fact it says the opposite: “…but it is fairly common to have a gun pointed at the camera, and by extension the cinematographer, to get a certain angle.“ This is obvious as we’e all seen this in the movies, or scenes where actors point guns at eachother. It goes on to say you are supposed to use a remote camera or a shield in these cases, as blanks can still have debris, but such a shield would not protect anyone from a live round, and frequently these safety corners are cut. There were three misfires on the set before this happened involving blanks. One union crew had already walked off set due to unsafe conditions. The armorer is blaming the ammunition supplier for sending them any live rounds. The assistant who pled admitted he noticed a difference in the shape of the ammunition but assumed they were all blanks and did not verify this by pointing it out to the armorer. Presumably the armorer loaded all the guns anyway so her expertise apparently failed there, (although it is ridiculous that there is not a single obvious standard from manufacturers to differentiate all blanks from live ammunition, ie must be entirely green.) The assistant also declared ‘cold gun’ which supposedly meant there was NO ammunition (live or blanks.). This could have affected the director’s decisions ie he’d decide to tell alec, ok point at the camera now so we can frame that shot. The armorer was not on site which apparently means no gun should have been in use, but presumably only the assistant who retrieved the gun would have known that. It’s highly unlikely an actor would be able to tell the difference between live and blank rounds, even if he did check (whoever loaded it did not.). Unless Baldwin somehow ordered the assistant to go get him the gun over protests and ignore safety protocols, I don’t see how he could be considered at fault. |
Anonymous
| If I was on that jury, I would not find him guilty. |