8 in 10 Asian Americans who oppose affirmative action believe it’s racist, survey reveals

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Anonymous wrote:AA is truly racist policy working against Asians and to a lesser degree but still negative Caucasians. Any Asian or white person who supports it is deeply brainwashed by the liberal agenda

Take your grievance somewhere else. Learn some U.S. history.

History never justify racial discrimination in the 21st century especially for the college admission for the kids

Agreed. But your assumption that it is happening is incorrect.

Disagreed. How can you not see racial profiling and discrimination with the bogus stuff such as likability score that shows huge discrepancy.

People can disagree with one another.
That's why we have a legal system, and Supreme Court will make a decision soon.

Yes, the Supreme Court will make a decision. But in order to eliminate affirmative action they're going to have to effectively admit that they believe it was discriminatory all along, which will be tantamount to saying they believe that all aspects of the Civil Rights Act were immediately accepted and applied by everyone across the entire country as soon as it was passed and that it was not necessary to ensure that opportunities were mandated. Anyone with even a tiny bit of knowledge of US history knows definitively that that's not true.

Thus, if SCOTUS reverses affirmative action, they're admitting that it's a political decision rather than a legal one. Or that they're stupid, which I don't believe.

or now it's used to discriminate other minority and it's no longer needed in the 21st century.

They can't say it's being used to discriminate now without saying it's been discriminatory all along.

In any zero-sum concern, a gain by one person or group means a loss for another. If colleges admit based solely on grades and test scores, then they'd be discriminating against those who can't afford test prep or who have to work to help support their family rather than spend that time studying or who attend high schools that don't inflate grades as much as others do, etc. When they base their decision on a talent in sports or music or theater or whatever, they're again discriminating against those who don't have the money or the time to devote to these pursuits.

Affirmative action is needed in order to correct the CENTURIES of deliberate effort that were made in this country to keep blacks from sharing equally in our democracy, and that continue to have residual effects that hinder their ability to compete equally.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t mean to sound rude but who cares? I will be perfectly honest that in my view, the goal of affirmative action is to fix the systemic injustices created by slavery (and other racial injustices) where those injustices still exist for minority groups. If one particular minority group is no longer impacted by the past injustices perpetrated against them, then that is not a reason to scrap a policy that helps other minority groups. No longer benefiting from a particular policy aimed to increase social justice and right the past errors that created those injustices is not a reason to throw out the policy as a whole.

yeah but you can't fix one injustice with another injustice. as one of SCOTUS said, when is it enough? how do you know when to stop?

What’s the injustice? That Asian Americans get into a particular school at rates well above their representation in the general population but may lose a few spots to other minorities? I don’t see that as an injustice.

Supreme Court is full of conservative hacks, so I am really not looking to them to provide a good insight into undoing systemic social injustices.

Why should a poor Asian child who is the most qualified lose their spot to a rich URM or a rich African immigrant? That isn’t righting ANY wrongs.

Why should you get to decide what qualifications matter for a private college?

And for the 1Mth time, colleges do not have racial qualifications to "right wrongs". They do it to achieve their mission and build the class they want. But you don't care about that, you just want to stir up trouble for your cause. You haven't read a single book on the subject, you haven't talked to a single adcom or college administrator about it, and you don't understand what you are talking about. If you truly cared you would do those things.

But you don't care.

So you're fine with universities only admitting whites? That was a commonplace practice prior to desegregation, you're fine with bringing it back? If not, why should you decide what "qualifications" matter for private colleges?

Also, race by definition is not a qualification.

Who said that? Don't put words in my mouth, you dishonest interlocutor. That's 100% strawman, completely irrelevant and incendiary.

You make a dumb dishonest response to my post because, as I pointed out, you are not informed about the process and why colleges do it.

And sadly, you don't WANT to be informed about it.

NP. Look, no one thought about less qualified white guys who passed right over more qualified (women/gay/black/hispanic/etc.) for any number of things: college admissions, jobs, judges, elected representatives, POTUS for 200 years. Now all of a sudden they have to share but now it's hand wringing that someone less qualified may "Steal" their spot. GMAFB.

It is precisely because the system was so wrong for so long, that I, for one, don't want to perpetuate racial favoritism over a meritocracy. Two wrongs don't make a right. And we're talking about schools that are either public institutions (UNC) or "nonprofits" that take a lot of public funds and get big tax breaks (Harvard, etc). So no, they can't just do whatever they want.

How convenient! "Two wrongs don't make a right." What a precious expression to just keep things status quo for the privileged.

This country is not, and never has been, a meritocracy - - this is exactly the point. And it's one you don't seem to understand.

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Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

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Anonymous wrote:Question:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

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Anonymous wrote:Question:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

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Anonymous wrote:Question:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

At least you admit your ignorance. And also that your ignorance is purposeful. Because you probably know the answer is “yes” and that contradicts your argument that the policy is racism.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t mean to sound rude but who cares? I will be perfectly honest that in my view, the goal of affirmative action is to fix the systemic injustices created by slavery (and other racial injustices) where those injustices still exist for minority groups. If one particular minority group is no longer impacted by the past injustices perpetrated against them, then that is not a reason to scrap a policy that helps other minority groups. No longer benefiting from a particular policy aimed to increase social justice and right the past errors that created those injustices is not a reason to throw out the policy as a whole.

yeah but you can't fix one injustice with another injustice. as one of SCOTUS said, when is it enough? how do you know when to stop?

What’s the injustice? That Asian Americans get into a particular school at rates well above their representation in the general population but may lose a few spots to other minorities? I don’t see that as an injustice.

Supreme Court is full of conservative hacks, so I am really not looking to them to provide a good insight into undoing systemic social injustices.

Why should a poor Asian child who is the most qualified lose their spot to a rich URM or a rich African immigrant? That isn’t righting ANY wrongs.

Why should you get to decide what qualifications matter for a private college?

And for the 1Mth time, colleges do not have racial qualifications to "right wrongs". They do it to achieve their mission and build the class they want. But you don't care about that, you just want to stir up trouble for your cause. You haven't read a single book on the subject, you haven't talked to a single adcom or college administrator about it, and you don't understand what you are talking about. If you truly cared you would do those things.

But you don't care.

So you're fine with universities only admitting whites? That was a commonplace practice prior to desegregation, you're fine with bringing it back? If not, why should you decide what "qualifications" matter for private colleges?

Also, race by definition is not a qualification.

Who said that? Don't put words in my mouth, you dishonest interlocutor. That's 100% strawman, completely irrelevant and incendiary.

You make a dumb dishonest response to my post because, as I pointed out, you are not informed about the process and why colleges do it.

And sadly, you don't WANT to be informed about it.

NP. Look, no one thought about less qualified white guys who passed right over more qualified (women/gay/black/hispanic/etc.) for any number of things: college admissions, jobs, judges, elected representatives, POTUS for 200 years. Now all of a sudden they have to share but now it's hand wringing that someone less qualified may "Steal" their spot. GMAFB.

It is precisely because the system was so wrong for so long, that I, for one, don't want to perpetuate racial favoritism over a meritocracy. Two wrongs don't make a right. And we're talking about schools that are either public institutions (UNC) or "nonprofits" that take a lot of public funds and get big tax breaks (Harvard, etc). So no, they can't just do whatever they want.

How convenient! "Two wrongs don't make a right." What a precious expression to just keep things status quo for the privileged.

This country is not, and never has been, a meritocracy - - this is exactly the point. And it's one you don't seem to understand.

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I note from the survey that the majority of Asians who responded actually support affirmative action. Not by a large margin, but it's a majority.

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Anonymous wrote:Intelligent.com, an online resource focused on higher education planning and online degree rankings, polled 1,250 Asian Americans on Nov. 9 and found that roughly half (49%) of them oppose race-based admissions in colleges and universities.

The detractors cited several reasons for their positions. A whopping 81% said they oppose the policy because it is racist; 32% said it increases racism against Asian Americans; 30% said it hurts their odds of getting into their chosen schools and 25% said it perpetuates stereotypes against the community.

In terms of age, older Asian Americans were more likely to oppose affirmative action, with 61% of those aged 54 and above saying they “somewhat” or “strongly oppose” the policy. Meanwhile, 45% of those aged 18 to 24 and aged 25 to 34 expressed opposition to the policy.

A quarter (26%) of respondents expressed support for affirmative action . Thirteen percent said they “strongly support” the policy, while 21% said they “somewhat support.”

The survey also looked into the impact of affirmative action on the respondents’ motivation to vote in the recent midterm elections, as well as their choice of candidates, with 58% of midterm voters who voted Republican reporting that they did so for the first time.

An earlier survey conducted by The Economist and British analytics firm YouGov showed that a majority of U.S. adults (54%) also oppose affirmative action.

https://news.yahoo.com/8-10-asian-americans-oppose-211419571.html

If Asian Americans continue to vote for politicians who favor racial discrimination against them, who is to blame?

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Anonymous wrote:Intelligent.com, an online resource focused on higher education planning and online degree rankings, polled 1,250 Asian Americans on Nov. 9 and found that roughly half (49%) of them oppose race-based admissions in colleges and universities.

The detractors cited several reasons for their positions. A whopping 81% said they oppose the policy because it is racist; 32% said it increases racism against Asian Americans; 30% said it hurts their odds of getting into their chosen schools and 25% said it perpetuates stereotypes against the community.

In terms of age, older Asian Americans were more likely to oppose affirmative action, with 61% of those aged 54 and above saying they “somewhat” or “strongly oppose” the policy. Meanwhile, 45% of those aged 18 to 24 and aged 25 to 34 expressed opposition to the policy.

A quarter (26%) of respondents expressed support for affirmative action . Thirteen percent said they “strongly support” the policy, while 21% said they “somewhat support.”

The survey also looked into the impact of affirmative action on the respondents’ motivation to vote in the recent midterm elections, as well as their choice of candidates, with 58% of midterm voters who voted Republican reporting that they did so for the first time.

An earlier survey conducted by The Economist and British analytics firm YouGov showed that a majority of U.S. adults (54%) also oppose affirmative action.

https://news.yahoo.com/8-10-asian-americans-oppose-211419571.html

If Asian Americans continue to vote for politicians who favor racial discrimination against them, who is to blame?

Why don't you tell us which politicians have that on their platform?

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Anonymous wrote:Intelligent.com, an online resource focused on higher education planning and online degree rankings, polled 1,250 Asian Americans on Nov. 9 and found that roughly half (49%) of them oppose race-based admissions in colleges and universities.

The detractors cited several reasons for their positions. A whopping 81% said they oppose the policy because it is racist; 32% said it increases racism against Asian Americans; 30% said it hurts their odds of getting into their chosen schools and 25% said it perpetuates stereotypes against the community.

In terms of age, older Asian Americans were more likely to oppose affirmative action, with 61% of those aged 54 and above saying they “somewhat” or “strongly oppose” the policy. Meanwhile, 45% of those aged 18 to 24 and aged 25 to 34 expressed opposition to the policy.

A quarter (26%) of respondents expressed support for affirmative action . Thirteen percent said they “strongly support” the policy, while 21% said they “somewhat support.”

The survey also looked into the impact of affirmative action on the respondents’ motivation to vote in the recent midterm elections, as well as their choice of candidates, with 58% of midterm voters who voted Republican reporting that they did so for the first time.

An earlier survey conducted by The Economist and British analytics firm YouGov showed that a majority of U.S. adults (54%) also oppose affirmative action.

https://news.yahoo.com/8-10-asian-americans-oppose-211419571.html

If Asian Americans continue to vote for politicians who favor racial discrimination against them, who is to blame?

Why don't you tell us which politicians have that on their platform?

The Senate had an amendment to deny federal funds to colleges that discriminate against Asians. Every Democrat voted no.

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Anonymous wrote:Question:

Does racial balance in admissions benefit Asians at colleges where they are under-represented?

The colleges where Asians are under-represented are usually mediocre schools that Asians don't want want to go.

So no benefit.

That’s not an answer to the question. Can you answer the question? Do they benefit when they apply to schools they are under represented?

PP have you left the thread? Would like a response please.

DP. Answering your original question, I don't know and I don't care. Even if it does, you are doing me a "favor" I don't want nor asked for.

At least you admit your ignorance. And also that your ignorance is purposeful. Because you prob⁶ably know the answer is “yes” and that contradicts your argument that the policy is racism.

Th policy doesn't help Asians and used to discriminate Asians.
Asians don't beg for benefits. Just asking fair and equal opportunity for college admissions without discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:Intelligent.com, an online resource focused on higher education planning and online degree rankings, polled 1,250 Asian Americans on Nov. 9 and found that roughly half (49%) of them oppose race-based admissions in colleges and universities.

The detractors cited several reasons for their positions. A whopping 81% said they oppose the policy because it is racist; 32% said it increases racism against Asian Americans; 30% said it hurts their odds of getting into their chosen schools and 25% said it perpetuates stereotypes against the community.

In terms of age, older Asian Americans were more likely to oppose affirmative action, with 61% of those aged 54 and above saying they “somewhat” or “strongly oppose” the policy. Meanwhile, 45% of those aged 18 to 24 and aged 25 to 34 expressed opposition to the policy.

A quarter (26%) of respondents expressed support for affirmative action . Thirteen percent said they “strongly support” the policy, while 21% said they “somewhat support.”

The survey also looked into the impact of affirmative action on the respondents’ motivation to vote in the recent midterm elections, as well as their choice of candidates, with 58% of midterm voters who voted Republican reporting that they did so for the first time.

An earlier survey conducted by The Economist and British analytics firm YouGov showed that a majority of U.S. adults (54%) also oppose affirmative action.

https://news.yahoo.com/8-10-asian-americans-oppose-211419571.html

If Asian Americans continue to vote for politicians who favor racial discrimination against them, who is to blame?

Why don't you tell us which politicians have that on their platform?

The Senate had an amendment to deny federal funds to colleges that discriminate against Asians. Every Democrat voted no.

Voting against a bill doesn't mean you're in favor of discrimination. You're making inferences that simply aren't true. There are zero Democrats who are in favor of discrimination against ANYONE.

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As shown by the vote?

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I really hate threads like this that generalize for the entire Asian population. My husband and I both Asian-American and we support AA. We have three kids who will be going off to college starting in the next couple of years, and we fully recognize that it could disadvantage our kids. We are ok with it. Truth is, my husband and I worked our butts off as 1st generation to go to college in the US, but we needed to get into top schools to help us create networks and get our first jobs and start to our careers. Our kids, however, will be fine wherever they go to college.