Inside the great teacher resignation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?

Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?

Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?

Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?

No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.

There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.

Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.

Ok we are so very very sorry. The pandemic was mishandled by school boards, the president who threw out the CDC pandemic playbook, superintendents and the NIH. Teachers taught these people and are therefore responsible for their actions. It is true, even teachers themselves made errors of judgement and wanted to work from home. In the next global emergency we will act differently. This new, improved and better plan will be based upon the needs of the pandemic of 2020, not whatever future situation the world will be facing.

Thank you for demonstrating my point. It’s a problem that teachers haven’t acknowledged the harm they did to kids through their actions. It’s not even clear many of them fully understand that harm or the role they played.

You are not getting apologies. You are not getting reparations. You are not getting future promises.

GROW UP AND MOVE ON. Or keep holding your breath and impotently stamping your feet like a toddler. Your choice.

Ok. Then watch public support for public schools and teachers continue to be in the gutter.

You are acting like this is a threat to teachers. Who are you honestly hurting but kids?

It is like in a divorce. If the parents are fighting over kids, custody or whatever in the end the KIDS are the ones who pay the price.

The only thing you are really doing is hurting kids. Especially those who already start with fewer advantages.

The teachers can and will find other work. The kids only get one shot at this and 2 years are already gone. You can take shots and get mad and kick and cry, or you can say “That sucked, but let’s get back to work. We have even more to do. How can I help?”

No, I was trying to say public schools are threatened. If you care about protecting public schools then you should be looking for a path that not only meets the needs of teachers, but also students and their families. Otherwise more and more of those families are going to turn to private schools, which we're already seeing happening. That will only increase political support for private school vouchers. And yes, it's going to be the disadvantaged kids that lose out, not really the DCUM crowd.

DCUM kids are generally in the top 5% of the nation economically. Most people who have left for private school already have. It's not just disadvantaged kids who will and are suffering, it's middle income and even upper middle income kids are too or at the very least, won't be able to afford even the cheapest of private schools.

Exactly. And those middle-income families rely on schools. That doesn't make them bad parents. The narrative that "school isn't child care" and that parents should have had backup plans for an 18-month school closure was a ridiculous attack on working families.

What? That is the weirdest take on this I have ever seen. Are you suggesting schools closed just to “attack” families? Attack means there was malicious intent. Wow. That is NUTS!

Read it again. The comments made by the teachers unions, and some teachers themselves, included attacks on working parents. There have been examples in this thread, although I tend to think they’re from SAHMs rather than teachers.

Ok clearly I have a comprehension fail. The PP said that the 18 month school closure was an attack on families. They in my mind were NOT talking about this thread. Saying the school closures were premeditated and an attack on families by teachers or unions is t crazy. Please reinterpret that post for me.

Read it again: "The narrative that "school isn't child care" and that parents should have had backup plans for an 18-month school closure was a ridiculous attack on working families."

The narrative used by teachers' unions and their supporters in their comments justifying the continued closures was the attack, not the closures themselves.

Wow! 18 months? Where were schools closed to in-person instruction for that long? My DS’s ES closed mid-March 2020, so he missed 3 months that spring and then was home Sept until mid-March 2021, so another 6.5 or so. Even if I count the summer months it was nowhere close to 18 months.

DC had a lot of schools that did not offer in-person instruction to the vast majority of students for all of the 2020-2021 school year, plus did not offer needed in-person summer school services, and were of course closed form March-June 2020. My school was one of them -- in-person was offered to just 10% of students. In my child's grade, no child received in-person instruction. And this was K and 1st, grades that do not lend themselves to distance learning. Also, though the school did open for summer school in 2021, spots were limited and my child did not get one. So my child was without in person school for approximately 18 months.

But the school did call me repeatedly to criticize me for failing to log into Canvas on "no synchronous instruction" days (there was at least one, sometimes two, every week). Can't have those absences on the school record, you see. Nevermind that the only school my child could have been present for on those days was whatever his dad and I were able to offer at home or arrange for him privately. DCPS needed me to make sure he didn't get marked absent from imaginary school.

Glad your school did better, but not all schools did.

Thanks. PP here and we are in Fairfax Co.

[Anonymous]

I think that teachers, students, and parents would all be better off if discipline policies were changed to protect those in school buildings from the most disruptive students (who are a minority). Those truly disruptive, abusive, and unruly students take up too much time and emotional weight. Teachers should not have to suffer abuse at the hands of students, just as students should not lose out on their education due to serious disruptions by other students. Children need structure. By allowing this minority of students to have so much power, teachers are exhausted, and children learn that rules are optional. Parents, too, wind up in defense mode. Getting zeros for late or missing work seems excessive when other students can burst in and out of classrooms, throw items at teachers, and attack other kids at recess. Seriously. If you want discipline, then find a way to address the kids for whom conventional discipline strategies don't work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At our school, 1/3 of the teachers were out last week with either Covid or Influenza A or B.

Think about that. 1/3 of the teachers tested positive for Covid or Influenza A or B. Yet the schools are still open. We didn't have enough subs or monitors or administrators so we split classes.

Instead of 28 or 29 kids crammed into our rooms, we had 35-40. There was no learning happening in that environment. We did crowd control and behavior management to the best of our abilities for 8 hours a day, 5 days last week.

At least this week is shorter. I am pretty sure the rest of us who didn't have Covid or Influenza last week will this week.

And then people wonder why teachers are resigning.

WOW. That's a lot of teachers out. They need to close the school until the viruses run their courses. It will be a nightmare after Thanksgiving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that teachers, students, and parents would all be better off if discipline policies were changed to protect those in school buildings from the most disruptive students (who are a minority). Those truly disruptive, abusive, and unruly students take up too much time and emotional weight. Teachers should not have to suffer abuse at the hands of students, just as students should not lose out on their education due to serious disruptions by other students. Children need structure. By allowing this minority of students to have so much power, teachers are exhausted, and children learn that rules are optional. Parents, too, wind up in defense mode. Getting zeros for late or missing work seems excessive when other students can burst in and out of classrooms, throw items at teachers, and attack other kids at recess. Seriously. If you want discipline, then find a way to address the kids for whom conventional discipline strategies don't work.

I think people have the idea that the law says these disruptive students need to be in a normal school and not in a special school for kids with behavioral issues. I don’t know where they got that since I think the word appropriate implies that it needs to be appropriate for everyone and not just that problem student, but maybe this issue needs to go to the Supreme Court for an official ruling so that school districts all around the country can finally kick out these problem students and start to get learning back on track for everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that teachers, students, and parents would all be better off if discipline policies were changed to protect those in school buildings from the most disruptive students (who are a minority). Those truly disruptive, abusive, and unruly students take up too much time and emotional weight. Teachers should not have to suffer abuse at the hands of students, just as students should not lose out on their education due to serious disruptions by other students. Children need structure. By allowing this minority of students to have so much power, teachers are exhausted, and children learn that rules are optional. Parents, too, wind up in defense mode. Getting zeros for late or missing work seems excessive when other students can burst in and out of classrooms, throw items at teachers, and attack other kids at recess. Seriously. If you want discipline, then find a way to address the kids for whom conventional discipline strategies don't work.

+1 You are exactly right. It used to be that such students received instruction in separate schools. With FAPE, appropriate supports, and medication, many of those students can now be successful in a more inclusive setting. Those who continue to exhibit the types of behaviors you described should not be walking the halls freely with the opportunity to harm other students, faculty, and staff. Many parents would be shocked to realize the degree of violent behaviors that some of these kids have demonstrated and could potentially do so again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Byyeeee.

School is not childcare. We remember.

Sorry, I don’t care about that anymore.

Old news.

I want my kids taught by experience teachers. I don’t want to drive them away.

We all want our kids taught by skilled, reliable teachers. But then our teachers refused to come to work. They came back, but how long until their next temper tantrum?

Parents like you are why they aren't continuing to teach. They did work. Teaching virtually per the government's decision is working. You had the tantrum as you cannot handle your kids all day every day.

The data says otherwise. Virtual school was a tremendous failure, on multiple levels. Student performance dropped significantly. Kids with special needs lost their education services and supports. Millions suffered from losing access to safe and supportive educational environments.

I don’t know the answer, but maybe someone on DCUM does know the answer. For states like Florida and Texas where the schools remained open during 2020 and 2021, did the test scores also decline in those states?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Byyeeee.

School is not childcare. We remember.

Sorry, I don’t care about that anymore.

Old news.

I want my kids taught by experience teachers. I don’t want to drive them away.

We all want our kids taught by skilled, reliable teachers. But then our teachers refused to come to work. They came back, but how long until their next temper tantrum?

Parents like you are why they aren't continuing to teach. They did work. Teaching virtually per the government's decision is working. You had the tantrum as you cannot handle your kids all day every day.

The data says otherwise. Virtual school was a tremendous failure, on multiple levels. Student performance dropped significantly. Kids with special needs lost their education services and supports. Millions suffered from losing access to safe and supportive educational environments.

I don’t know the answer, but maybe someone on DCUM does know the answer. For states like Florida and Texas where the schools remained open during 2020 and 2021, did the test scores also decline in those states?

The data is already in. States like Florida (which were never doing that poorly actually, even with really low spending, despite all the comments and assumptions on DCUM) moved up a lot. I think Florida is now number 3 in the country based on the most recent scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Byyeeee.

School is not childcare. We remember.

Sorry, I don’t care about that anymore.

Old news.

I want my kids taught by experience teachers. I don’t want to drive them away.

We all want our kids taught by skilled, reliable teachers. But then our teachers refused to come to work. They came back, but how long until their next temper tantrum?

Parents like you are why they aren't continuing to teach. They did work. Teaching virtually per the government's decision is working. You had the tantrum as you cannot handle your kids all day every day.

The data says otherwise. Virtual school was a tremendous failure, on multiple levels. Student performance dropped significantly. Kids with special needs lost their education services and supports. Millions suffered from losing access to safe and supportive educational environments.

I don’t know the answer, but maybe someone on DCUM does know the answer. For states like Florida and Texas where the schools remained open during 2020 and 2021, did the test scores also decline in those states?

Yes. There have been many articles about this. Every single state, and DC, saw test scores drop. The states that reopened earlier didn't do significantly better.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2022-10-26/states-with-the-largest-drops-in-reading-math-test-scores

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank Obama-era discipline reform e.g. the proportionality doctrine

Thank social media's shortening of attention spans

Thank indifferent parents who even block the school's # when APs are trying to reach a parent or guardian

Thank lack of support from administration

Several factors contributing to decline of civility in schools

The schools are like this due to Biden and his leadership or lack there of. He failed to put in even the most basic safety precautions, standards and more.

Social media is not the issue. It’s the new teaching styles, lack of books, lack of homework, lack of structure, no consequences, etc and some of that is also lack of parenting.

That's not Biden's fault. This is the fault of parents and current culture and teachers schools that promote these new teaching styles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that teachers, students, and parents would all be better off if discipline policies were changed to protect those in school buildings from the most disruptive students (who are a minority). Those truly disruptive, abusive, and unruly students take up too much time and emotional weight. Teachers should not have to suffer abuse at the hands of students, just as students should not lose out on their education due to serious disruptions by other students. Children need structure. By allowing this minority of students to have so much power, teachers are exhausted, and children learn that rules are optional. Parents, too, wind up in defense mode. Getting zeros for late or missing work seems excessive when other students can burst in and out of classrooms, throw items at teachers, and attack other kids at recess. Seriously. If you want discipline, then find a way to address the kids for whom conventional discipline strategies don't work.

I think people have the idea that the law says these disruptive students need to be in a normal school and not in a special school for kids with behavioral issues. I don’t know where they got that since I think the word appropriate implies that it needs to be appropriate for everyone and not just that problem student, but maybe this issue needs to go to the Supreme Court for an official ruling so that school districts all around the country can finally kick out these problem students and start to get learning back on track for everyone else.

I’ve taught students who cleared the room. Their parents typically have a lot of financial resources to fight to keep them where they are. I teach a girl who hospitalized a teacher in ES and permanently disfigured her own therapist. She is also highly gifted so she won a seat in our magnet. She is easily disregulated and there’s little warning she has been triggered. Fortunately, she attacks adults, not other children. However, this also makes it possible for her to stay in our school. Teachers are disposable. If we are hurt on the job, we’ll just be replaced by another warm body. But if a classmate was hurt, MCPS would be legally liable. As a result, she’s safe from transfer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Byyeeee.

School is not childcare. We remember.

Sorry, I don’t care about that anymore.

Old news.

I want my kids taught by experience teachers. I don’t want to drive them away.

We all want our kids taught by skilled, reliable teachers. But then our teachers refused to come to work. They came back, but how long until their next temper tantrum?

Parents like you are why they aren't continuing to teach. They did work. Teaching virtually per the government's decision is working. You had the tantrum as you cannot handle your kids all day every day.

The data says otherwise. Virtual school was a tremendous failure, on multiple levels. Student performance dropped significantly. Kids with special needs lost their education services and supports. Millions suffered from losing access to safe and supportive educational environments.

I don’t know the answer, but maybe someone on DCUM does know the answer. For states like Florida and Texas where the schools remained open during 2020 and 2021, did the test scores also decline in those states?

The data is already in. States like Florida (which were never doing that poorly actually, even with really low spending, despite all the comments and assumptions on DCUM) moved up a lot. I think Florida is now number 3 in the country based on the most recent scores.

Seems hard to figure out:
https://floridaphoenix.com/2022/10/24/nations-report-card-alarming-appalling-losses-in-reading-math-scores-fl-kids-not-proficient/

https://www.thecentersquare.com/florida/gov-desantis-nations-report-card-scores-show-keeping-schools-open-the-right-decision/article_03b2a958-56fd-11ed-9bd6-0facab4463de.html

These two seemingly opposing articles were written within 4 days of each other on the same scores.

Choose a headline, choose a side!

Just remember to bat around the teachers as you debate!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Byyeeee.

School is not childcare. We remember.

Sorry, I don’t care about that anymore.

Old news.

I want my kids taught by experience teachers. I don’t want to drive them away.

We all want our kids taught by skilled, reliable teachers. But then our teachers refused to come to work. They came back, but how long until their next temper tantrum?

Parents like you are why they aren't continuing to teach. They did work. Teaching virtually per the government's decision is working. You had the tantrum as you cannot handle your kids all day every day.

The data says otherwise. Virtual school was a tremendous failure, on multiple levels. Student performance dropped significantly. Kids with special needs lost their education services and supports. Millions suffered from losing access to safe and supportive educational environments.

I don’t know the answer, but maybe someone on DCUM does know the answer. For states like Florida and Texas where the schools remained open during 2020 and 2021, did the test scores also decline in those states?

The data is already in. States like Florida (which were never doing that poorly actually, even with really low spending, despite all the comments and assumptions on DCUM) moved up a lot. I think Florida is now number 3 in the country based on the most recent scores.

Umm, according to who?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/best-states-for-education

It’s 3 if you count higher education. If you just look at k-12, it’s 27.

Virginia 8
Maryland 11

1,2,3 go to Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Hampshire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thank Obama-era discipline reform e.g. the proportionality doctrine

Thank social media's shortening of attention spans

Thank indifferent parents who even block the school's # when APs are trying to reach a parent or guardian

Thank lack of support from administration

Several factors contributing to decline of civility in schools

The schools are like this due to Biden and his leadership or lack there of. He failed to put in even the most basic safety precautions, standards and more.

Social media is not the issue. It’s the new teaching styles, lack of books, lack of homework, lack of structure, no consequences, etc and some of that is also lack of parenting.

That's not Biden's fault. This is the fault of parents and current culture and teachers schools that promote these new teaching styles.

+1 and special education attorneys (as seen on this forum)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that teachers, students, and parents would all be better off if discipline policies were changed to protect those in school buildings from the most disruptive students (who are a minority). Those truly disruptive, abusive, and unruly students take up too much time and emotional weight. Teachers should not have to suffer abuse at the hands of students, just as students should not lose out on their education due to serious disruptions by other students. Children need structure. By allowing this minority of students to have so much power, teachers are exhausted, and children learn that rules are optional. Parents, too, wind up in defense mode. Getting zeros for late or missing work seems excessive when other students can burst in and out of classrooms, throw items at teachers, and attack other kids at recess. Seriously. If you want discipline, then find a way to address the kids for whom conventional discipline strategies don't work.

I think people have the idea that the law says these disruptive students need to be in a normal school and not in a special school for kids with behavioral issues. I don’t know where they got that since I think the word appropriate implies that it needs to be appropriate for everyone and not just that problem student, but maybe this issue needs to go to the Supreme Court for an official ruling so that school districts all around the country can finally kick out these problem students and start to get learning back on track for everyone else.

I’ve taught students who cleared the room. Their parents typically have a lot of financial resources to fight to keep them where they are. I teach a girl who hospitalized a teacher in ES and permanently disfigured her own therapist. She is also highly gifted so she won a seat in our magnet. She is easily disregulated and there’s little warning she has been triggered. Fortunately, she attacks adults, not other children. However, this also makes it possible for her to stay in our school. Teachers are disposable. If we are hurt on the job, we’ll just be replaced by another warm body. But if a classmate was hurt, MCPS would be legally liable. As a result, she’s safe from transfer.

Different districts will mean different experiences, but in my experience in special education, it's more about districts saving money by keeping kids in cheaper placements; even parents who fight for their kids to be moved get denied. I see a lot more of those than I do gifted but disruptive kids who stay where they are because their parents demand it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of temper tantrums, how does being so angry and irate at teachers 2 years later help your child learn this year?

Is your vitriol helping children get help or is it making the situation worse?

Or are only teachers expected to put your child above their family/yourself?

Is that how you’d characterize the situation of the tens of millions of people that worked through the pandemic in public-facing and/or crowded conditions? Including the people that made sure you had food, utilities, medical services/supplies, public safety services, and countless other essential (and nonessential) goods and services?

No it is how I characterize this thread and people who are still rehashing this argument after 2 years.

There are different issues now. Are they related? Sure
If you want to help and not just spew anger then help. If not your anger is just anger and only you can change that.

Schools and teachers can help by acknowledging their past mistakes and promising to act differently in the future.

Ok we are so very very sorry. The pandemic was mishandled by school boards, the president who threw out the CDC pandemic playbook, superintendents and the NIH. Teachers taught these people and are therefore responsible for their actions. It is true, even teachers themselves made errors of judgement and wanted to work from home. In the next global emergency we will act differently. This new, improved and better plan will be based upon the needs of the pandemic of 2020, not whatever future situation the world will be facing.

Thank you for demonstrating my point. It’s a problem that teachers haven’t acknowledged the harm they did to kids through their actions. It’s not even clear many of them fully understand that harm or the role they played.

You are not getting apologies. You are not getting reparations. You are not getting future promises.

GROW UP AND MOVE ON. Or keep holding your breath and impotently stamping your feet like a toddler. Your choice.

Ok. Then watch public support for public schools and teachers continue to be in the gutter.

You are acting like this is a threat to teachers. Who are you honestly hurting but kids?

It is like in a divorce. If the parents are fighting over kids, custody or whatever in the end the KIDS are the ones who pay the price.

The only thing you are really doing is hurting kids. Especially those who already start with fewer advantages.

The teachers can and will find other work. The kids only get one shot at this and 2 years are already gone. You can take shots and get mad and kick and cry, or you can say “That sucked, but let’s get back to work. We have even more to do. How can I help?”

No, I was trying to say public schools are threatened. If you care about protecting public schools then you should be looking for a path that not only meets the needs of teachers, but also students and their families. Otherwise more and more of those families are going to turn to private schools, which we're already seeing happening. That will only increase political support for private school vouchers. And yes, it's going to be the disadvantaged kids that lose out, not really the DCUM crowd.

DCUM kids are generally in the top 5% of the nation economically. Most people who have left for private school already have. It's not just disadvantaged kids who will and are suffering, it's middle income and even upper middle income kids are too or at the very least, won't be able to afford even the cheapest of private schools.

Exactly. And those middle-income families rely on schools. That doesn't make them bad parents. The narrative that "school isn't child care" and that parents should have had backup plans for an 18-month school closure was a ridiculous attack on working families.

What? That is the weirdest take on this I have ever seen. Are you suggesting schools closed just to “attack” families? Attack means there was malicious intent. Wow. That is NUTS!

Read it again. The comments made by the teachers unions, and some teachers themselves, included attacks on working parents. There have been examples in this thread, although I tend to think they’re from SAHMs rather than teachers.

Ok clearly I have a comprehension fail. The PP said that the 18 month school closure was an attack on families. They in my mind were NOT talking about this thread. Saying the school closures were premeditated and an attack on families by teachers or unions is t crazy. Please reinterpret that post for me.

Read it again: "The narrative that "school isn't child care" and that parents should have had backup plans for an 18-month school closure was a ridiculous attack on working families."

The narrative used by teachers' unions and their supporters in their comments justifying the continued closures was the attack, not the closures themselves.

The "narrative" was not a narrative. For the 20-21 school year the CDC was still saying 6 feet of distance in public schools. I believe the FCPS superintendent went on CNN that spring to publicly say that the CDC needed to change the policy in order to let kids in school full time. Here is a quote from Feb 2021:

"Fairfax County Public Schools Superintendent Scott Brabrand says that is the most this large suburban Washington, DC, school district can do while still following US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines for safe school re-opening. The county is currently in the red zone."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/28/politics/fairfax-county-virginia-schools-reopen-covid/index.html

There physically wasn't enough space to social distance with all children attending school.

Now if you want to see that as an attack, go ahead.

The CDC guidelines that were the result of closed-door meetings with teachers unions? Yes, I remember those.

Link please? Funny that doctors offices did this too. In fact many still are AND are requiring masks.

Never mind I found it. In the New York post and Fox News and other conservative outlets.

Enjoy your vouchers and private schools!

Are you suggesting that you think the New York Post and Fox News fabricated the emails between the unions and the CDC leading up to the guidance?

Funny that you're suggesting that other news media didn't report on that. I'm pretty sure they did, but it does suggest some level of "filtering" either by the news media you read and/or by the news articles you choose to read.

Have a great day!

How interesting that you chose to comment on the media outlets that wrote the articles but not the substance of those articles.

Different poster here.

I don’t understand why this thread became an argument about Covid closures. We were facing a teacher shortage before Covid. I suspect if you ask teachers currently leaving the profession, most aren’t going to say Covid is the reason. They are leaving because of lack of respect, lack of autonomy, low pay for the hours required, etc.

I do think this argument highlights at least one reason teachers are leaving: being blamed for things out of their control. As much as some people would like to THINK the unions listen to teachers, that’s not actually the case. My former union regularly made decisions without consulting its members.

Exactly but I tired of people who treat teachers badly complaining about the shortage. If it’s an easy job then do it.

Who said it was an easy job?