Official US news 2023 thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My takeaways from reading the list:

Winners
-- Princeton (always lovely to be #1 by oneself)
-- JHU - all Bloomberg's $$ is paying off for them
-- Wake Forest is higher than I expected (plus having a great football season). Feels "hot"
-- Rice and Wash U above Cornell, Columbia and Notre Dame

Losers
-- Columbia, but they made their bed...
-- UNC and UVA downward trend, upward trend Michigan and Florida (even though still ranked lower than UNC)
-- Expected UT Austin to be higher
-- Tufts on a downward trajectory

Everything else kind of washed with previous years, imo

Florida isn't ranked lower than UNC.

[Anonymous]

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Took unbiased data averages and factored in multiple methodologies to get a nice overall view of what colleges are best. Probably puts Hopkins and Chicago in more realistic places, and shows how underrated UMich is.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
5. Yale
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Columbia
9. Northwestern
11. Vanderbilt
12. Rice
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Brown
16. Cornell
17. UMich
18. Johns Hopkins
19. WashU
20. Notre Dame

This list is way out of order. Duke is way too high - above Yale? Come on. Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago/Brown? Lol.

All of these machinations by an unhappy Dukie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame at 18, tied with Columbia and only one behind Cornell.

Notre Dame is Ivy level.

Almost, but not quite!

Notre Dame would never want to join the Ivy League anyway! It is happy to be ranked right there and fully independent to print football $$!

The Ivy League isn't all it is cracked up to be. Georgetown wouldn't even give up its basketball TV $$ to join.

Remember that the ancient 8 really is just an old but now low-level athletic conference!

This! A top school that has so much more to offer than the stuffy ivies. Love it.

Georgetown has crumbling buildings and mold to offer students. I don't get why anyone would pay private school tuition to go there.

PP here, I was referencing Notre Dame, not Georgetown. But I do agree with you.

[Anonymous]

True, I browse Reddit occasionally for college info for my kid and I see lots of other people on there turning down schools like Princeton and Yale for Duke. It's a popular choice that gets great students. Even smaller schools like Pomona and Williams get some great students that people might not expect, there's an entire section of Reddit dedicated to where people were accepted and where they're attending called College Results. My DD might early decision to Duke or UPenn but neither school takes many kids from her HS.

That’s very anecdotal “data.” According to Parchment, 77% of kids choose Yale over Duke, and 79% choose Princeton over Duke.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Reddit post from yesterday was definitely better: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comment...5_college_ranking_aggregating/

Took unbiased data averages and factored in multiple methodologies to get a nice overall view of what colleges are best. Probably puts Hopkins and Chicago in more realistic places, and shows how underrated UMich is.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
5. Yale
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Columbia
9. Northwestern
11. Vanderbilt
12. Rice
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Brown
16. Cornell
17. UMich
18. Johns Hopkins
19. WashU
20. Notre Dame

This is a very reasonable list, except I am not sure about Columbia now.

I agree with the above listing as well. Duke is a bit too high, but other than that it seems to make the most sense.

The ranking seems based purely on numbers, the result is just the average of the ranking. I ran the numbers for Duke and Yale myself just out of curiosity and they actually are an exact tie: average rating of 7.538 across the 13 rankings, and expectedly they show up as a tie on the overall ranking. The individual data is on the original Reddit post by the way: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/. Maybe US News is sleeping on Duke, Columbia, Michigan, Georgia Tech, etc. while giving too much to UChicago, JHU, Emory, etc.

Using 13 rankings? You might as well just come up with your own list too and take a random one from a college counselor with different methodology and use 15 for all the actual attention several of those rankings lists mentioned get.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think for prestige, you need to take any ivy (including Cornell and Columbia) over Duke, Northwestern, and Hopkins. I think had Duke not been a basketball power house, it would be where Vanderbilt ranks 15ish. I think Georgetown, Tufts, etc. as academic institutions deserve to be a lot higher.

Funny how you dismiss Duke/Northwestern/Hopkins and yet boost Georgetown and Tufts in the same breath - LOL.

+ 1

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Anonymous wrote:They just came out. The other thread was a guessing game. This is the real one. A few notes.

UVA 25, tied with Michigan and NYU

William & Mary at 42

UMD at 55

VT at 62

VT engineering ranked 16, above UMD’s 22

UVA undergrad business ranked 8

If you're going to touch on MD/ DC / VA schools:

JHU at 7

W&L at 11 ( LAC)

Georgetown at 22

Richmond at 18

Oh, and Georgetown at 22 for three times the price of UVA in state at 25 (and with the 8th ranked B-school)? Settles that argument.

Go Spiders!

Nice college.

Richmond is 18 in national liberal arts colleges, not on the national universities list that Georgetown and JHU are one. You are comparing apples to oranges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Took unbiased data averages and factored in multiple methodologies to get a nice overall view of what colleges are best. Probably puts Hopkins and Chicago in more realistic places, and shows how underrated UMich is.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
5. Yale
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Columbia
9. Northwestern
11. Vanderbilt
12. Rice
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Brown
16. Cornell
17. UMich
18. Johns Hopkins
19. WashU
20. Notre Dame

This list is way out of order. Duke is way too high - above Yale? Come on. Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago/Brown? Lol.

Duke is tied with Yale not above it, if you read the original post (https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/) it's based on calculating averages across rankings, so that means you could calculate the numbers yourself too using the data from the ranking table. Duke is great I don't have an issue with it being in the top 5, I just don't know how I feel about Columbia because some of the rankings used to calculate its current spot in the aggregate could be using some of the outdated manufactured data that got them in trouble. So maybe Columbia actually deserves to be a bit lower. I also don't see an issue with Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago and Brown. All of those are great schools, and actually if you like at the table of rankings UChicago basically peaks with US News and every other ranking has it much lower, making it feel like UChicago has been very intentional about finding how to maximize its US News ranking in particular. Brown is also great but it unfortunately doesn't do as well in many of the rankings that focus on ROI, future earnings, etc. But seriously NW, Vanderbilt, and Rice are phenomenal schools, at least for Vanderbilt and Rice they might get a bit overlooked because they're in the South but that shouldn't detract from their quality. But Rice is really like a Southern Dartmouth with better STEM, it has a high endowment with plenty of resources for the students, great programs in all their majors, and high quality of life for students. I could get behind Vanderbilt being a bit lower, I would personally put Dartmouth above both Vanderbilt Rice UChicago and maybe Brown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Took unbiased data averages and factored in multiple methodologies to get a nice overall view of what colleges are best. Probably puts Hopkins and Chicago in more realistic places, and shows how underrated UMich is.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
5. Yale
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Columbia
9. Northwestern
11. Vanderbilt
12. Rice
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Brown
16. Cornell
17. UMich
18. Johns Hopkins
19. WashU
20. Notre Dame

This list is way out of order. Duke is way too high - above Yale? Come on. Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago/Brown? Lol.

Duke is tied with Yale not above it, if you read the original post (https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/) it's based on calculating averages across rankings, so that means you could calculate the numbers yourself too using the data from the ranking table. Duke is great I don't have an issue with it being in the top 5, I just don't know how I feel about Columbia because some of the rankings used to calculate its current spot in the aggregate could be using some of the outdated manufactured data that got them in trouble. So maybe Columbia actually deserves to be a bit lower. I also don't see an issue with Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago and Brown. All of those are great schools, and actually if you like at the table of rankings UChicago basically peaks with US News and every other ranking has it much lower, making it feel like UChicago has been very intentional about finding how to maximize its US News ranking in particular. Brown is also great but it unfortunately doesn't do as well in many of the rankings that focus on ROI, future earnings, etc. But seriously NW, Vanderbilt, and Rice are phenomenal schools, at least for Vanderbilt and Rice they might get a bit overlooked because they're in the South but that shouldn't detract from their quality. But Rice is really like a Southern Dartmouth with better STEM, it has a high endowment with plenty of resources for the students, great programs in all their majors, and high quality of life for students. I could get behind Vanderbilt being a bit lower, I would personally put Dartmouth above both Vanderbilt Rice UChicago and maybe Brown.

Why is averaging rankings a legitimate method of anything? One bad ranking methodology can throw the whole thing off. This just looks like a ploy to make Duke look better. In no world, is Duke in the same class as Yale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Took unbiased data averages and factored in multiple methodologies to get a nice overall view of what colleges are best. Probably puts Hopkins and Chicago in more realistic places, and shows how underrated UMich is.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
5. Yale
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Columbia
9. Northwestern
11. Vanderbilt
12. Rice
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Brown
16. Cornell
17. UMich
18. Johns Hopkins
19. WashU
20. Notre Dame

This list is way out of order. Duke is way too high - above Yale? Come on. Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago/Brown? Lol.

All of these machinations by an unhappy Dukie.

High school senior you mean? Read the original post on Reddit. And the biggest winner is probably Michigan so if anything it would be a Michigan fan

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised so many of the UC system schools are ranked so high. Having lived in California for most of the last decade, it felt like Cal and UCLA were clearly thought of as well above the others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

True, I browse Reddit occasionally for college info for my kid and I see lots of other people on there turning down schools like Princeton and Yale for Duke. It's a popular choice that gets great students. Even smaller schools like Pomona and Williams get some great students that people might not expect, there's an entire section of Reddit dedicated to where people were accepted and where they're attending called College Results. My DD might early decision to Duke or UPenn but neither school takes many kids from her HS.

That’s very anecdotal “data.” According to Parchment, 77% of kids choose Yale over Duke, and 79% choose Princeton over Duke.

That's not bad at all considering the money Yale and Princeton throw at admitted students, not only through financial aid but also through "swag" and admitted student events. They just have too many financial resources for others to compete. Honestly Notre Dame is one of the main financial competitors, they have a lot more money than people might realize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Took unbiased data averages and factored in multiple methodologies to get a nice overall view of what colleges are best. Probably puts Hopkins and Chicago in more realistic places, and shows how underrated UMich is.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
5. Yale
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Columbia
9. Northwestern
11. Vanderbilt
12. Rice
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Brown
16. Cornell
17. UMich
18. Johns Hopkins
19. WashU
20. Notre Dame

This list is way out of order. Duke is way too high - above Yale? Come on. Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago/Brown? Lol.

Duke is tied with Yale not above it, if you read the original post (https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/) it's based on calculating averages across rankings, so that means you could calculate the numbers yourself too using the data from the ranking table. Duke is great I don't have an issue with it being in the top 5, I just don't know how I feel about Columbia because some of the rankings used to calculate its current spot in the aggregate could be using some of the outdated manufactured data that got them in trouble. So maybe Columbia actually deserves to be a bit lower. I also don't see an issue with Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago and Brown. All of those are great schools, and actually if you like at the table of rankings UChicago basically peaks with US News and every other ranking has it much lower, making it feel like UChicago has been very intentional about finding how to maximize its US News ranking in particular. Brown is also great but it unfortunately doesn't do as well in many of the rankings that focus on ROI, future earnings, etc. But seriously NW, Vanderbilt, and Rice are phenomenal schools, at least for Vanderbilt and Rice they might get a bit overlooked because they're in the South but that shouldn't detract from their quality. But Rice is really like a Southern Dartmouth with better STEM, it has a high endowment with plenty of resources for the students, great programs in all their majors, and high quality of life for students. I could get behind Vanderbilt being a bit lower, I would personally put Dartmouth above both Vanderbilt Rice UChicago and maybe Brown.

Why is averaging rankings a legitimate method of anything? One bad ranking methodology can throw the whole thing off. This just looks like a ploy to make Duke look better. In no world, is Duke in the same class as Yale.

How is this a ploy? The numbers are there for everyone to see and verify, it's based on the averages of the ranking lists themselves. Many schools perform better and worse compared to US News or whatever list you choose on the aggregate, but it looks like the point is to find what schools really check off all the boxes by holding their own with multiple differing methodologies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Took unbiased data averages and factored in multiple methodologies to get a nice overall view of what colleges are best. Probably puts Hopkins and Chicago in more realistic places, and shows how underrated UMich is.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
5. Yale
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Columbia
9. Northwestern
11. Vanderbilt
12. Rice
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Brown
16. Cornell
17. UMich
18. Johns Hopkins
19. WashU
20. Notre Dame

This list is way out of order. Duke is way too high - above Yale? Come on. Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago/Brown? Lol.

Duke is tied with Yale not above it, if you read the original post (https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/) it's based on calculating averages across rankings, so that means you could calculate the numbers yourself too using the data from the ranking table. Duke is great I don't have an issue with it being in the top 5, I just don't know how I feel about Columbia because some of the rankings used to calculate its current spot in the aggregate could be using some of the outdated manufactured data that got them in trouble. So maybe Columbia actually deserves to be a bit lower. I also don't see an issue with Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago and Brown. All of those are great schools, and actually if you like at the table of rankings UChicago basically peaks with US News and every other ranking has it much lower, making it feel like UChicago has been very intentional about finding how to maximize its US News ranking in particular. Brown is also great but it unfortunately doesn't do as well in many of the rankings that focus on ROI, future earnings, etc. But seriously NW, Vanderbilt, and Rice are phenomenal schools, at least for Vanderbilt and Rice they might get a bit overlooked because they're in the South but that shouldn't detract from their quality. But Rice is really like a Southern Dartmouth with better STEM, it has a high endowment with plenty of resources for the students, great programs in all their majors, and high quality of life for students. I could get behind Vanderbilt being a bit lower, I would personally put Dartmouth above both Vanderbilt Rice UChicago and maybe Brown.

Why is averaging rankings a legitimate method of anything? One bad ranking methodology can throw the whole thing off. This just looks like a ploy to make Duke look better. In no world, is Duke in the same class as Yale.

c'mon, I don't even particularly like Duke... but I wouldn't deny it's a great school. Both Duke and Yale are world class schools, their men's bb fans on the other hand... yuck, go terps!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised so many of the UC system schools are ranked so high. Having lived in California for most of the last decade, it felt like Cal and UCLA were clearly thought of as well above the others.

UCSD is really on the up in my opinion, SD is becoming an attractive destination as well