Covid-19 Leave No Longer Available for MCPS Employees

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

Then, that is on you. Some of us are still being responsible and not eating indoors and being very cautious.

Some major trolling on this board. If you are being very cautious then you’d want asymptomatic COVID positive teachers staying home to reduce spread, right? And 8 sick days per year isn’t going to cover that.

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Anonymous wrote:So you get Covid you go to work sick?? I see resignations.
I will take off sick if I get Covid. Not putting my health or recovery at risk for work from home administrators.

No, you use your existing sick leave like has been the case for decades with every other illness

This. No more two week paid vacations for popping an asymptomatic positive test. Use sick leave like everyone else.

How much vacation time do you think teachers get?

You get 5 personal days a year.

Cue dcum parents who are furious that teachers might need to take a day off during the school year

It's 3 personal days a year. You can carry over some so that you never have more than 5, but you're only given 3.

And some schools are strict about not using them to extend a 3 day weekend (that's fun for the family wedding on a holiday weekend...) And not everyone is given their religious holidays off like Christmas and Easter are, so imagine wanting to be with family on a holiday on 3 personal days.

How much annual leave do you get?

10 month employees receive 10 sick days each academic year. However, if you belong to the Sick Bank (which most employees do), two of those days are donated back to the Sick Bank. Therefore, most employees receive eight additional sick days per academic year.

So 8 sick days, plus 3 personal days, and nothing else?

that is correct. 10 sick days (8 for sick leave bank members), 3 personal days. nothing else. this is for 10 month employees, which is all teachers.

What about all the observed holidays in MCPS? That is more than most professionals get, not to mention summers off.

How is it 2022 and some people still don't understand that summer is UNPAID? If you don't like your situation, change it. Many government contractors make enough in 6 months to be able to take the next 6 months off if they feel like it. Source: I'm one of them. So are most of my friends. I don't see you bemoaning our existence. Teachers are an easy target for miserable, pathetic people. Looks like you're one of them.

I understand what you are saying and am not attacking teachers, but do you understand that you are a government CONTRACTOR? Do you not work for a private employer? Public versus private employees are apples and oranges.

Also, it is impossible to have a rational discussion about summers, because whenever someone starts a conversation about year round school, we hear from teacher who don't want to give up their summers off. You can't simultaneously complain about summers being unpaid and say that you don't want to work summers even if you got paid for them.

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Anonymous wrote:There is an easy fix: healthy kids and teachers go to school. Sick kids and teachers stay home until better. No testing, no quarantining little Sophie who has no symptoms but dropped a positive. No quarantining little Johnny who was exposed to Sophie and is no considered unvaccinated bc he’s not boosted. Sick=home. Healthy=school. This is an approach many countries are taking now. I actually wonder if we did this religiously all along if we’d be better off both wrt Covid and collateral damage.

Without testing you have no idea who is sick so you need testing. Vaccination status is meaningless for transmission.

A virus so deadly and worthy of destroying our society that you don’t even know who has it unless you test. No more testing. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze to tell people with no symptoms to stay home. They won’t anyway. Agree with you that unvaccinated and vaccinated kids should be treated the same — allowed to go to school unless actually sick.

If you test positive you are sick. Not testing is irresponsible. You keep being irresponsible and MCPS will continue to have issues partly because of admin and partly because of parents like you.

Hard stop. No. Stop playing this ridiculous game. We’re not testing for asymptomatic flu, RSV, or anything else. Why do this with covid? Completely ridiculous. Everyone is vaccinated now. Onward.

There is no such thing as asymptomatic flu or pre-symptomatic flu transmission. COVID is a different ballgame. It's possible that the path forward might include testing for those exposed or with symptoms, and then a return to school with a mask required if the teacher feels well enough.

I do think that we need to drop the quarantines for unvaccinated people.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

Then, that is on you. Some of us are still being responsible and not eating indoors and being very cautious.

So, go to work and teach ES kids while wearing a mask at least 6 feet apart and then go straight home? Never go anywhere else? Try to completely avoid Covid, the flu, strep throat, etc at all costs? Yeah, no thanks. I’m vaccinated and boosted.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

Then, that is on you. Some of us are still being responsible and not eating indoors and being very cautious.

So, go to work and teach ES kids while wearing a mask at least 6 feet apart and then go straight home? Never go anywhere else? Try to completely avoid Covid, the flu, strep throat, etc at all costs? Yeah, no thanks. I’m vaccinated and boosted.

Why would I work as a teacher to take care of your kids when you don’t want to take care of them yourself? I have my own kids to care for every day. You get free child care, mine do not. Saying you are vaccinated means nothing as vaccinated are getting Covid. It’s arrogant people like you spreading it. You go be a teacher since it’s so safe.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

Then, that is on you. Some of us are still being responsible and not eating indoors and being very cautious.

Some major trolling on this board. If you are being very cautious then you’d want asymptomatic COVID positive teachers staying home to reduce spread, right? And 8 sick days per year isn’t going to cover that.

I want everyone positive to stay home. I want weekly testing and masking too.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

Then, that is on you. Some of us are still being responsible and not eating indoors and being very cautious.

So, go to work and teach ES kids while wearing a mask at least 6 feet apart and then go straight home? Never go anywhere else? Try to completely avoid Covid, the flu, strep throat, etc at all costs? Yeah, no thanks. I’m vaccinated and boosted.

Why would I work as a teacher to take care of your kids when you don’t want to take care of them yourself? I have my own kids to care for every day. You get free child care, mine do not. Saying you are vaccinated means nothing as vaccinated are getting Covid. It’s arrogant people like you spreading it. You go be a teacher since it’s so safe.

What? PP here. I am an ES teacher. Read what I wrote again. I was responded to the PP who said if we catch Covid on the job we should get Covid leave. I said I don't know how I would know I caught it at school unless that's the only place I went and I never went anywhere else. I guess my family members would never be able to leave the house either for that matter.

I'll continue to eat indoors, go the grocery store, wherever I would normally go. I could catch Covid at any number of places. My point was that the PP before me seems to think that I should go nowhere else besides work (the school). As I said, I can't completely avoid viruses. I'm vaccinated and boosted and I'm not going to just sit at home.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

Then, that is on you. Some of us are still being responsible and not eating indoors and being very cautious.

So, go to work and teach ES kids while wearing a mask at least 6 feet apart and then go straight home? Never go anywhere else? Try to completely avoid Covid, the flu, strep throat, etc at all costs? Yeah, no thanks. I’m vaccinated and boosted.

Why would I work as a teacher to take care of your kids when you don’t want to take care of them yourself? I have my own kids to care for every day. You get free child care, mine do not. Saying you are vaccinated means nothing as vaccinated are getting Covid. It’s arrogant people like you spreading it. You go be a teacher since it’s so safe.

What? PP here. I am an ES teacher. Read what I wrote again. I was responded to the PP who said if we catch Covid on the job we should get Covid leave. I said I don't know how I would know I caught it at school unless that's the only place I went and I never went anywhere else. I guess my family members would never be able to leave the house either for that matter.

I'll continue to eat indoors, go the grocery store, wherever I would normally go. I could catch Covid at any number of places. My point was that the PP before me seems to think that I should go nowhere else besides work (the school). As I said, I can't completely avoid viruses. I'm vaccinated and boosted and I'm not going to just sit at home.

I think people need to be more cautious so we can get this under control and live our lives. If you get Covid, then I guess too bad but don’t be crummy and bring it into schools and other places and infect te rest of us. Being vaccinated is a cop out for justifying why you are not careful. Common sense and precautions go a long way. People like you suck when you make it unsafe for some of us to return our kids to in person school.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

Then, that is on you. Some of us are still being responsible and not eating indoors and being very cautious.

So, go to work and teach ES kids while wearing a mask at least 6 feet apart and then go straight home? Never go anywhere else? Try to completely avoid Covid, the flu, strep throat, etc at all costs? Yeah, no thanks. I’m vaccinated and boosted.

Why would I work as a teacher to take care of your kids when you don’t want to take care of them yourself? I have my own kids to care for every day. You get free child care, mine do not. Saying you are vaccinated means nothing as vaccinated are getting Covid. It’s arrogant people like you spreading it. You go be a teacher since it’s so safe.

What? PP here. I am an ES teacher. Read what I wrote again. I was responded to the PP who said if we catch Covid on the job we should get Covid leave. I said I don't know how I would know I caught it at school unless that's the only place I went and I never went anywhere else. I guess my family members would never be able to leave the house either for that matter.

I'll continue to eat indoors, go the grocery store, wherever I would normally go. I could catch Covid at any number of places. My point was that the PP before me seems to think that I should go nowhere else besides work (the school). As I said, I can't completely avoid viruses. I'm vaccinated and boosted and I'm not going to just sit at home.

I think people need to be more cautious so we can get this under control and live our lives. If you get Covid, then I guess too bad but don’t be crummy and bring it into schools and other places and infect te rest of us. Being vaccinated is a cop out for justifying why you are not careful. Common sense and precautions go a long way. People like you suck when you make it unsafe for some of us to return our kids to in person school.

What would you rather have me do? At what point was I crummy and brought Covid into the school? I mask in crowded places. I’m vaccinated. When I caught Covid towards the end of May (it was very mild and symptoms started on a Friday afternoon. I had a low grade fever that lasted maybe 15 hours and a headache for a night. I stayed home until allowed to go back to work masked and I isolated from family for ten days. My point is there is no way I could possibly tell you from where I caught it unless I only went to work, taught, came home and if my family absolutely stayed home and out of contact with others.

People are living their lives with precautions. We won’t reach zero Covid,no matter how much you may want to try. While this current variant spreads more easily reports say most cases are mild. I heard an interview with a doctor on WTOP a few days ago who said he is seeing more Covid positives at his practice but cases are mild because people are vaccinated. What is your definition of careful? Other than never going out of my house (which is not a common sense precaution), what other common sense precautions would you have me take?

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

Then, that is on you. Some of us are still being responsible and not eating indoors and being very cautious.

So, go to work and teach ES kids while wearing a mask at least 6 feet apart and then go straight home? Never go anywhere else? Try to completely avoid Covid, the flu, strep throat, etc at all costs? Yeah, no thanks. I’m vaccinated and boosted.

Why would I work as a teacher to take care of your kids when you don’t want to take care of them yourself? I have my own kids to care for every day. You get free child care, mine do not. Saying you are vaccinated means nothing as vaccinated are getting Covid. It’s arrogant people like you spreading it. You go be a teacher since it’s so safe.

What? PP here. I am an ES teacher. Read what I wrote again. I was responded to the PP who said if we catch Covid on the job we should get Covid leave. I said I don't know how I would know I caught it at school unless that's the only place I went and I never went anywhere else. I guess my family members would never be able to leave the house either for that matter.

I'll continue to eat indoors, go the grocery store, wherever I would normally go. I could catch Covid at any number of places. My point was that the PP before me seems to think that I should go nowhere else besides work (the school). As I said, I can't completely avoid viruses. I'm vaccinated and boosted and I'm not going to just sit at home.

I think people need to be more cautious so we can get this under control and live our lives. If you get Covid, then I guess too bad but don’t be crummy and bring it into schools and other places and infect te rest of us. Being vaccinated is a cop out for justifying why you are not careful. Common sense and precautions go a long way. People like you suck when you make it unsafe for some of us to return our kids to in person school.

DP here. This is not an individual level thing. If covid leave is gone everywhere, contact tracing is done, kids are expected to be in school or childcare, we cant put off medical and dental care, our elderly relatives need human contact...sure, a few of us can keep choosing to wear masks indoors, but that's not really going to stem the tide. Blaming teachers for not isolating out of school when all structural supports, mask mandates, etc are gone is really misguided.

I'm not a teacher, btw, and I would have said I was careful up until this spring. We still don't eat inside restaurants or fly, we mask indoors in public, and we prefer park playdates. But it's kind of absurd to avoid seeing your family indoors or sending your kid to camp when the rest of society has given up.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

Then, that is on you. Some of us are still being responsible and not eating indoors and being very cautious.

So, go to work and teach ES kids while wearing a mask at least 6 feet apart and then go straight home? Never go anywhere else? Try to completely avoid Covid, the flu, strep throat, etc at all costs? Yeah, no thanks. I’m vaccinated and boosted.

Why would I work as a teacher to take care of your kids when you don’t want to take care of them yourself? I have my own kids to care for every day. You get free child care, mine do not. Saying you are vaccinated means nothing as vaccinated are getting Covid. It’s arrogant people like you spreading it. You go be a teacher since it’s so safe.

What? PP here. I am an ES teacher. Read what I wrote again. I was responded to the PP who said if we catch Covid on the job we should get Covid leave. I said I don't know how I would know I caught it at school unless that's the only place I went and I never went anywhere else. I guess my family members would never be able to leave the house either for that matter.

I'll continue to eat indoors, go the grocery store, wherever I would normally go. I could catch Covid at any number of places. My point was that the PP before me seems to think that I should go nowhere else besides work (the school). As I said, I can't completely avoid viruses. I'm vaccinated and boosted and I'm not going to just sit at home.

I think people need to be more cautious so we can get this under control and live our lives. If you get Covid, then I guess too bad but don’t be crummy and bring it into schools and other places and infect te rest of us. Being vaccinated is a cop out for justifying why you are not careful. Common sense and precautions go a long way. People like you suck when you make it unsafe for some of us to return our kids to in person school.

DP here. This is not an individual level thing. If covid leave is gone everywhere, contact tracing is done, kids are expected to be in school or childcare, we cant put off medical and dental care, our elderly relatives need human contact...sure, a few of us can keep choosing to wear masks indoors, but that's not really going to stem the tide. Blaming teachers for not isolating out of school when all structural supports, mask mandates, etc are gone is really misguided.

I'm not a teacher, btw, and I would have said I was careful up until this spring. We still don't eat inside restaurants or fly, we mask indoors in public, and we prefer park playdates. But it's kind of absurd to avoid seeing your family indoors or sending your kid to camp when the rest of society has given up.

8:10 here. You sound like you are still being careful and I wouldn’t say I’ve given up. Yes, we assess our own risk factors and tolerance and have eaten indoors, but we also choose to be a vaccinated family, wear masks in busy indoor spaces, etc. It’s not like all caution is thrown to the wind as a PP likes to believe and I’m not willing to completely isolate except for work. I could have caught Covid at school while teaching masked but I also could have picked it up at the grocery store or the car dealership when I took my car in for a recall, or anywhere really. That’s my point. It’’s not realistic to say that leave should be provided if someone catches Covid at work. If you are going to do that you may as well plan the same for other things like flu and strep throat. I don’t want to catch any of the but I have to be realistic and know that they can’t be completely avoided.

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The Central Office could have spent the federal covid money on in-classroom air filtration, but instead wasted it on bocce ball, discrimination training, and kid museum.

That money alone could have put 23,000 air filtration units directly into classrooms next to the teacher's desk.

Remember that the next time one of your co-workers or students gets sick from in-class exposure. I hope everyone remembers to vote out the boe incumbents this year and in two years from now.

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Anonymous wrote:The Central Office could have spent the federal covid money on in-classroom air filtration, but instead wasted it on bocce ball, discrimination training, and kid museum.

That money alone could have put 23,000 air filtration units directly into classrooms next to the teacher's desk.

Remember that the next time one of your co-workers or students gets sick from in-class exposure. I hope everyone remembers to vote out the boe incumbents this year and in two years from now.

All the classrooms in my high school did have massive air filters installed.

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of working parents did not have COVID leave when they had to support their kids in virtual learning for 15 months while juggling careers, so teachers can deal with it.

I see where you are coming from, but how do you want teachers to deal with it? When they get COVID, should they use half or more of their sick leave that year, but still prepare detailed and relevant sub plans for each day they are out? Or should they deal with it by just staying home and NOT spending hours writing sub plans while their classes have no real instruction for the week? Or do they deal with it by just coming to work if they don't feel too bad and possibly spread Covid to students and other teachers?

They should not be at work if they are positive for COVID. If they feel well enough to write sub plans, then they should and must be paid for that time. If they don’t feel well enough to write plans then they should just be at home resting. School admin needs to figure out a backup plan to teach material to kids while the teacher is out. The same as they would if a teacher was hit by a bus. Yes the first two days will be messy but it’s no different than the minimal instructions days before a holiday or after Memorial Day. Radical behavior changes I know, but it’s not that difficult.

The COVID leave didn't just cover teacher illness or quarantine, it covered caring for a family member who is ill or directed to quarantine. For younger children in daycare, that could be 10 days of quarantine, which would eat up many school days if the teacher had to stay home to care for the child.

The question I responded to was about teachers being sick, not a teacher’s child. But in the situation you describe, they would need to be on unpaid leave like many many other parents have been in the last two years.

The good old "I have to suffer so everybody else has to suffer along with me" argument.

If you were a cancer survivor would you be mad that there was a new and better treatment for cancer out there or would you just want to punish other people because you didn't get access to that treatment

I love with posters ramp up the hysterics. It is unreasonable to expect that unlimited COVID leave would be provided forever. Federal support for these programs have ended. You may have all the money in the world to raise taxes, but most parents do not. COVID is here to stay. That is why our original rules, quarantine guidelines, etc are changing.

If a teacher gets covid at school, they should be given leave. If they got it from their personal life, no. There are no rules, no quarantines, no masking so covid is going to burn through the schools very quickly especially given this new variant.

Any person who thinks its a good an easy job should step up and teach.

Covid is here to stay because people are selfish and aren't willing to do basic things to help keep it under control. Covid is miserable. You may be ok getting it multiple times but once is enough for me.

Lol, when you get the flu or virus do you prove to your employer that you got it from work? When someone has cancer, should they prove it was caused by something in their work environment?

Cancer and Covid are different and both require proof to take leave. If a teacher got either from their job, yes they should get paid leave.

Seriously? How the he_ _ would I know where I caught Covid? I caught it at the end of May, but I couldn’t tell you where I caught it. It could have been at the school, but it could have also been at a grocery store, a restaurant, or any other number of places.

ES Teacher

Then, that is on you. Some of us are still being responsible and not eating indoors and being very cautious.

So, go to work and teach ES kids while wearing a mask at least 6 feet apart and then go straight home? Never go anywhere else? Try to completely avoid Covid, the flu, strep throat, etc at all costs? Yeah, no thanks. I’m vaccinated and boosted.

Why would I work as a teacher to take care of your kids when you don’t want to take care of them yourself? I have my own kids to care for every day. You get free child care, mine do not. Saying you are vaccinated means nothing as vaccinated are getting Covid. It’s arrogant people like you spreading it. You go be a teacher since it’s so safe.

What? PP here. I am an ES teacher. Read what I wrote again. I was responded to the PP who said if we catch Covid on the job we should get Covid leave. I said I don't know how I would know I caught it at school unless that's the only place I went and I never went anywhere else. I guess my family members would never be able to leave the house either for that matter.

I'll continue to eat indoors, go the grocery store, wherever I would normally go. I could catch Covid at any number of places. My point was that the PP before me seems to think that I should go nowhere else besides work (the school). As I said, I can't completely avoid viruses. I'm vaccinated and boosted and I'm not going to just sit at home.

I think people need to be more cautious so we can get this under control and live our lives. If you get Covid, then I guess too bad but don’t be crummy and bring it into schools and other places and infect te rest of us. Being vaccinated is a cop out for justifying why you are not careful. Common sense and precautions go a long way. People like you suck when you make it unsafe for some of us to return our kids to in person school.

DP here. This is not an individual level thing. If covid leave is gone everywhere, contact tracing is done, kids are expected to be in school or childcare, we cant put off medical and dental care, our elderly relatives need human contact...sure, a few of us can keep choosing to wear masks indoors, but that's not really going to stem the tide. Blaming teachers for not isolating out of school when all structural supports, mask mandates, etc are gone is really misguided.

I'm not a teacher, btw, and I would have said I was careful up until this spring. We still don't eat inside restaurants or fly, we mask indoors in public, and we prefer park playdates. But it's kind of absurd to avoid seeing your family indoors or sending your kid to camp when the rest of society has given up.

8:10 here. You sound like you are still being careful and I wouldn’t say I’ve given up. Yes, we assess our own risk factors and tolerance and have eaten indoors, but we also choose to be a vaccinated family, wear masks in busy indoor spaces, etc. It’s not like all caution is thrown to the wind as a PP likes to believe and I’m not willing to completely isolate except for work. I could have caught Covid at school while teaching masked but I also could have picked it up at the grocery store or the car dealership when I took my car in for a recall, or anywhere really. That’s my point. It’’s not realistic to say that leave should be provided if someone catches Covid at work. If you are going to do that you may as well plan the same for other things like flu and strep throat. I don’t want to catch any of the but I have to be realistic and know that they can’t be completely avoided.

Strep isn't airborne and basic precautions will help with flu too. You are exactly the type of person I don't want around my family.

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Anonymous wrote:The Central Office could have spent the federal covid money on in-classroom air filtration, but instead wasted it on bocce ball, discrimination training, and kid museum.

That money alone could have put 23,000 air filtration units directly into classrooms next to the teacher's desk.

Remember that the next time one of your co-workers or students gets sick from in-class exposure. I hope everyone remembers to vote out the boe incumbents this year and in two years from now.

All the classrooms in my high school did have massive air filters installed.

Yea for your school, ours did not.